by Zakuvia » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:55 am
by Earl of Sandwich IV » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:07 am
by Jamzmania » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:14 am
Zakuvia wrote:With Benjamin Netanyahu winning the election in Israel, the Israeli stance is going to remain that there should be no Palestinian state. This is contrary to what most of Israel's backers have wanted, particularly the US and the UK.
US - Netanyahu made a firestorm when he gamed Obama and the Congress during his pre-election visits to the US, along with denying the Palestinian state in spite of it being one of the tenets of the US-supported peace plan.
UK - The UK's Nick Clegg has stated that if Israel doesn't directly support the two-party solution, the United Kingdom would.
The Middle East is by and large in support of Palestine, though it might be more accurately stated that they were anti-Israel. I myself think that it's fairly time for the Palestinians to have a fully-fledged and UN-acknowledged state. I see it as a win-win for Israel, anyway. Palestine could ask the UN for aid, which would make it such that Israel could keep what aid they offer to themselves, or just offer a nominal amount to the overall UN funds and claim it's their contribution to Palestine. Also, independent UN inspectors could investigate the Hamas-led state and, if Palestine is as rocket-happy as a state as Israel claims it to be, have the international community off its back when it launches reprisal airstrikes.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by The Greater Lebanon » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:17 am
by Asyanica » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:24 am
by Iwassoclose » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:40 am
by Alyakia » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:41 am
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Nope, a palestinian state is a unacceptable security risk until palestinian change their attitude towards Israel. After palestinians used the last years of peace to build a vast network of invasion tunnels, which they then used to abduct and kill Israelis, we should reward them with a state?
by Alyakia » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:41 am
Iwassoclose wrote:Netanyahu just spat on decades of work like it was nothing. what a troll
by Kaztropol » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:44 am
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:46 am
by Alyakia » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:46 am
Kaztropol wrote:The problem is, that history has shown, time and time again, that empires, kingdoms, dictatorships, and democracies have consistently failed to protect the minority Jewish populations in those countries. A long history of Inquisitions, pogroms, and of course the actions of certain European country in the mid-20th century, have shown that non-Jewish regimes cannot be trusted with such basic things as allowing Jewish people to live, let alone practice their religion. Not even the so-called 'civilised' countries can be trusted with that.
The lesson of history is that Jewish people are not safe when under the rule of non-Jewish regimes, it does not matter if it is a kingdom, empire, dictatorship, or even a democracy.
So, in Israel, they simply cannot allow the possibility of a majority non-Jewish population, because to do so would be to once again place the Jewish people in a position where their existence is at the whims of others. Yasir Arafat said that the womb is one of the Palestinians greatest weapons.
If there was a Palestinian state, then, rocket attacks become an act of war - which means invasion and occupation - which means nothing changed. If the attacks stop - then immigration from Palestine to Israel would be heavily controlled, or banned outright - because Israel will not, and cannot, allow anything that could result in a minority Jewish population in Israel - in which case, the Palestinians would be no better off, because their economic opportunities would be next to nil.
It is a problem to which there might not be a solution. Unfortunate, but there it is, and it's been in the making for two thousand years.
by Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:47 am
by Martean » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:52 am
Kaztropol wrote:The problem is, that history has shown, time and time again, that empires, kingdoms, dictatorships, and democracies have consistently failed to protect the minority Jewish populations in those countries. A long history of Inquisitions, pogroms, and of course the actions of certain European country in the mid-20th century, have shown that non-Jewish regimes cannot be trusted with such basic things as allowing Jewish people to live, let alone practice their religion. Not even the so-called 'civilised' countries can be trusted with that.
The lesson of history is that Jewish people are not safe when under the rule of non-Jewish regimes, it does not matter if it is a kingdom, empire, dictatorship, or even a democracy.
So, in Israel, they simply cannot allow the possibility of a majority non-Jewish population, because to do so would be to once again place the Jewish people in a position where their existence is at the whims of others. Yasir Arafat said that the womb is one of the Palestinians greatest weapons.
If there was a Palestinian state, then, rocket attacks become an act of war - which means invasion and occupation - which means nothing changed. If the attacks stop - then immigration from Palestine to Israel would be heavily controlled, or banned outright - because Israel will not, and cannot, allow anything that could result in a minority Jewish population in Israel - in which case, the Palestinians would be no better off, because their economic opportunities would be next to nil.
It is a problem to which there might not be a solution. Unfortunate, but there it is, and it's been in the making for two thousand years.
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:54 am
Martean wrote:Kaztropol wrote:The problem is, that history has shown, time and time again, that empires, kingdoms, dictatorships, and democracies have consistently failed to protect the minority Jewish populations in those countries. A long history of Inquisitions, pogroms, and of course the actions of certain European country in the mid-20th century, have shown that non-Jewish regimes cannot be trusted with such basic things as allowing Jewish people to live, let alone practice their religion. Not even the so-called 'civilised' countries can be trusted with that.
The lesson of history is that Jewish people are not safe when under the rule of non-Jewish regimes, it does not matter if it is a kingdom, empire, dictatorship, or even a democracy.
So, in Israel, they simply cannot allow the possibility of a majority non-Jewish population, because to do so would be to once again place the Jewish people in a position where their existence is at the whims of others. Yasir Arafat said that the womb is one of the Palestinians greatest weapons.
If there was a Palestinian state, then, rocket attacks become an act of war - which means invasion and occupation - which means nothing changed. If the attacks stop - then immigration from Palestine to Israel would be heavily controlled, or banned outright - because Israel will not, and cannot, allow anything that could result in a minority Jewish population in Israel - in which case, the Palestinians would be no better off, because their economic opportunities would be next to nil.
It is a problem to which there might not be a solution. Unfortunate, but there it is, and it's been in the making for two thousand years.
This is BS, I think in my own country Jewish people are not discriminated at all, indeed, Israel is nowadays one of the most racist countries in the world.
I could perfectly live in a country with a jewish minority, or a jewish majority, as I could live in a country with a black majority or a gay majority. Separating humans in terms of 'I'm a jew, you're not, therefore we shall live separated' reflects racist views and intolerance.
Btw, I prefer a united country where arabs and jews live in peace with each other rather than a two-state solution.
by Valaran » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:58 am
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Zorbae » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:58 am
by Alistan » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:00 pm
by HaMakom » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:00 pm
by Valaran » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:02 pm
HaMakom wrote:No, the land of Israel has always been and should remain Jewish land.
Why should we be prioritising terrorist anti-Semites over the Kurds anyway?
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:05 pm
by Zorbae » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:05 pm
HaMakom wrote:No, the land of Israel has always been and should remain Jewish land.
Why should we be prioritising terrorist anti-Semites over the Kurds anyway?
by HaMakom » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:06 pm
by Alistan » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:06 pm
by Alistan » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:08 pm
HaMakom wrote:
Are the Palestinians naming their rockets now? "Put 'Peace' in the launcher, then bring over that crate of 'equality', make sure you only launch when you've got all the children positioned around the launch site"
But seriously, if you want peace and equality, don't support the side which calls for the destruction of the other. Support the side which has a long history of giving land for peace, support the side which is a democracy, has freedom of expression and free speech, support the side which has true racial, sexual and gender equality. Support Israel.
by Benian Republic » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:08 pm
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