The Death of Liberal Christanity

[Heraklea-]

Which is why the world would be best served by someone burning down St. Peter's Basilica. "Sacred tradition" my ass, it's bigotry plain and simple.

"Yeah, fuck the Church's vast charity work, they disagree with me on an issue effecting about 4% of the population!"

For starters, roughly 10%, not 4%. The Catholic Church is an institution of racism, bigotry, corruption, perversion and is guilty of just about every single sin that it speaks out against, but it can't be guilty because it is "Christ's Church." The Catholic Church doesn't do charity work, it does half-hearted penance for its sins, which it uses as another opportunity to try to recruit others. Thankfully most of the Church has moved away from calls to exterminate the pagan or the heretic, though that is far from true as shown in much of Africa.

So, you have to have Jesus saying something for it to be immoral?

That's not how the Bible works.

You claim it is the teachings of your messiah, show the proof.
I have. Multiple times. Paul was divinely guided.

You've shown Paul's words as proof of Paul's words. No dice. Give me something that actually shows Jesus's comments on homosexuality.

Which is why the world would be best served by someone burning down St. Peter's Basilica. "Sacred tradition" my ass, it's bigotry plain and simple.

Umm, no. It isn't. We can tell it isn't bigotry because of how they go out of their way to condemn only homosexual acts(which are a form of sodomy, and, as such, part of a much broader teaching of the church) and goes on to state that homophobia is also a sin.

I can't even count how many bishops I've heard say homosexuals are going to hell for being homosexual. Not for acting on their urges but for having the urge. That is the very definition of bigotry.

[Constaniana]

Kinda funny that the poll concerning the decline of liberal Christianity has no respondents who are liberal Christians.

[Benuty]

Dislike the homosexuality, not the person.

At least, that is what is supposed to be considered.

And we don't care. You're still pretentious cishets trying to supervise butts.

Well it make sense with the South being the highest searcher of gay (hardcore) pornography in the U.S.

Well this is certainly demoralizing

Right when you think America is on a path to acceptance, and it just turns out that the illusion of progression is just a significant amount of essentially indifferent people who talk but don't take action, and then a heavily entrenched opposition that, appallingly, is growing

Don't worry. Religion itself is on the way out.

Hardly considering Humanity has been around a long time (merely a speck on the cosmic calender).

In my opinion Christianity is dying in general, it will be gone within the next 200 years.

So the vastly growing Church in the PRC which is predicted to equal the amount of population the U.S has in its entirety is a lie?

Source?

[Benuty]

Kinda funny that the poll concerning the decline of liberal Christianity has no respondents who are liberal Christians.

Because a Catholic covering an oddly suspicious report not just on Protestantism, but liberal Protestantism surely isn't a conspiracy.

[Quintium]

The future belongs to whoever pops out the most children. It's simple as that. It's not a matter of values, cultures or politics, or of complicated theological debate. This is a matter of having kids. And if you look at the United States, the conservatives are winning. People who belong to relatively conservative faiths (like conservative Christians, Mormons, Muslims and Orthodox Jews) are popping out between two and four children per woman in the United States. People who are atheist or belong to a progressive religion have ceased to hit the 1.5 mark now.

The future, boys and girls, is conservative, in religion as in society.

[Genivaria]

The future belongs to whoever pops out the most children. It's simple as that. It's not a matter of values, cultures or politics, or of complicated theological debate. This is a matter of having kids. And if you look at the United States, the conservatives are winning. People who belong to relatively conservative faiths (like conservative Christians, Mormons, Muslims and Orthodox Jews) are popping out between two and four children per woman in the United States. People who are atheist or belong to a progressive religion have ceased to hit the 1.5 mark now.

The future, boys and girls, is conservative, in religion as in society.

Living in denial as always I see Quintium.

[Edgy Opinions]

Kinda funny that the poll concerning the decline of liberal Christianity has no respondents who are liberal Christians.

Which option is the baby-eating devil-worshiping one? I'm confused.

[Shigiel]

The future belongs to whoever pops out the most children. It's simple as that. It's not a matter of values, cultures or politics, or of complicated theological debate. This is a matter of having kids. And if you look at the United States, the conservatives are winning. People who belong to relatively conservative faiths (like conservative Christians, Mormons, Muslims and Orthodox Jews) are popping out between two and four children per woman in the United States. People who are atheist or belong to a progressive religion have ceased to hit the 1.5 mark now.

The future, boys and girls, is conservative, in religion as in society.

And one's religious and political views are decided at birth, are they?

[The Soviet League]

The future belongs to whoever pops out the most children. It's simple as that. It's not a matter of values, cultures or politics, or of complicated theological debate. This is a matter of having kids. And if you look at the United States, the conservatives are winning. People who belong to relatively conservative faiths (like conservative Christians, Mormons, Muslims and Orthodox Jews) are popping out between two and four children per woman in the United States. People who are atheist or belong to a progressive religion have ceased to hit the 1.5 mark now.

The future, boys and girls, is conservative, in religion as in society.

And one's religious and political views are decided at birth, are they?

A lot of things are supposedly decided at birth, like certain human impulses.

cough

[Genivaria]

And one's religious and political views are decided at birth, are they?

A lot of things are supposedly decided at birth, like certain human impulses.

cough

What are you referring to?

[Nerotysia]

And one's religious and political views are decided at birth, are they?

A lot of things are supposedly decided at birth, like certain human impulses.

cough

I wish you wouldn't be so shy about your ignorance...

[Edgy Opinions]

A lot of things are supposedly decided at birth, like certain human impulses.

cough

Gender identity only cements at around 2-3.

[Benuty]

The future belongs to whoever pops out the most children. It's simple as that. It's not a matter of values, cultures or politics, or of complicated theological debate. This is a matter of having kids. And if you look at the United States, the conservatives are winning. People who belong to relatively conservative faiths (like conservative Christians, Mormons, Muslims and Orthodox Jews) are popping out between two and four children per woman in the United States. People who are atheist or belong to a progressive religion have ceased to hit the 1.5 mark now.

The future, boys and girls, is conservative, in religion as in society.

Living in denial as always I see Quintium.

They are right about the fact that Orthodox Jews are going to be a dominating factor in Judaism. Considering many diaspora Jews (the cultural ones) are abandoning the ship while the more reformed sects are losing members (the Conservative sect of Judaism was devastated by 1970s radicalism, and is dying off in the northern U.S). The southern portions still hold strong. In the end the reduction may cause a boost to the more liberal sects of the diaspora in another generation. Once the pendulum swings back to the left.

[Benuty]

Kinda funny that the poll concerning the decline of liberal Christianity has no respondents who are liberal Christians.

Which option is the baby-eating devil-worshiping one? I'm confused.

So...you worship the Diabolos?

I think you will find them in the medieval legends hall, Greek section.

[Shigiel]

A lot of things are supposedly decided at birth, like certain human impulses.

cough

Gender identity only cements at around 2-3.

And it wouldn't if the whole notion was abolished in society.

[Quintium]

And one's religious and political views are decided at birth, are they?

It seems to have been established that there is a strong correlation between the political views of parents and the political views of their children. This is not believed to be fully genetic, although genetic predisposition has been shown in recent years to have a significant though not decisive effect on the general political direction that a person will take. Instead, it is believed to be mainly cultural, and to have to do with the process of socialization. This counts even more if you take the stereotypical view of religious American parents being very vocal and strong about their political beliefs.

And in any case, consider the state of the world, because in a 'globalized' world whatever trend is set in the world in general will affect every individual nation. In the last twenty years, the percentage of atheists or agnostics in the world has decreased. More people, relatively speaking, are now religious. This effect is especially common among African Christians, Asian Christians, more conservative Hindus, American Mormons, and nearly all Muslim groups in the world. These are the people you'll see more and more in corporations, in diplomacy, in politics and in trade. Twenty years down the line, they will decide - much more than they do now - on matters of life and death, war and peace, poverty and prosperity. They are your future and mine.

[Edgy Opinions]

Gender identity only cements at around 2-3.

And it wouldn't if the whole notion was abolished in society.

Not sure. I guess new forms of it could arise. Because maybe that's how most people are designed to be, neurologically/psychologically.

Except we'd have it more like 50/50 agender/possibly gender-identifying rather than agender people being a comparatively small minority among non-binary people, in turn just a subgroup of the trans people minority.

[Quintium]

Gender identity only cements at around 2-3.

And it wouldn't if the whole notion was abolished in society.

Like most of the world's population, I don't even believe in the notion of 'gender' being separate from 'sex'. If a man thinks he's a woman, he's as mentally ill as a man who wakes up one morning and thinks he's Napoleon, or a woman who thinks she's Boudicca.

[Benuty]

And it wouldn't if the whole notion was abolished in society.

Like most of the world's population, I don't even believe in the notion of 'gender' being separate from 'sex'. If a man thinks he's a woman, he's as mentally ill as a man who wakes up one morning and thinks he's Napoleon, or a woman who thinks she's Boudicca.

Can you prove they are mentally ill?

Lets hope you don't cite some proto-Freudian mythological bullshit.

[The Orson Empire]

And it wouldn't if the whole notion was abolished in society.

Like most of the world's population, I don't even believe in the notion of 'gender' being separate from 'sex'. If a man thinks he's a woman, he's as mentally ill as a man who wakes up one morning and thinks he's Napoleon, or a woman who thinks she's Boudicca.

Prove it then. Give us a source that backs up this ridiculous claim.

[Geilinor]

The Catholic Church has hardly done much better getting people to listen to its demands. Spain, traditionally a very Catholic country, was the second to legalize same-sex marriage. Access and use of birth control among North American and Western European Catholics is very high.

[Shigiel]

And one's religious and political views are decided at birth, are they?

It seems to have been established that there is a strong correlation between the political views of parents and the political views of their children. This is not believed to be fully genetic, although genetic predisposition has been shown in recent years to have a significant though not decisive effect on the general political direction that a person will take. Instead, it is believed to be mainly cultural, and to have to do with the process of socialization. This counts even more if you take the stereotypical view of religious American parents being very vocal and strong about their political beliefs.

And in any case, consider the state of the world, because in a 'globalized' world whatever trend is set in the world in general will affect every individual nation. In the last twenty years, the percentage of atheists or agnostics in the world has decreased. More people, relatively speaking, are now religious. This effect is especially common among African Christians, Asian Christians, more conservative Hindus, American Mormons, and nearly all Muslim groups in the world. These are the people you'll see more and more in corporations, in diplomacy, in politics and in trade. Twenty years down the line, they will decide - much more than they do now - on matters of life and death, war and peace, poverty and prosperity. They are your future and mine.

Education tends to change that, and it also tends to make people less religious and more progressive. American college students are stereotypically liberal.

Can I have some proof? The trend seems to me to be the opposite.

[Shigiel]

And it wouldn't if the whole notion was abolished in society.

Not sure. I guess new forms of it could arise. Because maybe that's how most people are designed to be, neurologically/psychologically.

Except we'd have it more like 50/50 agender/possibly gender-identifying rather than agender people being a comparatively small minority among non-binary people, in turn just a subgroup of the trans people minority.

I don't think there's any reliable proof of this, and I don't see why people would want to identify with a certain set of gender roles without all the social pressure.

[Edgy Opinions]

Not sure. I guess new forms of it could arise. Because maybe that's how most people are designed to be, neurologically/psychologically.

Except we'd have it more like 50/50 agender/possibly gender-identifying rather than agender people being a comparatively small minority among non-binary people, in turn just a subgroup of the trans people minority.

I don't think there's any reliable proof of this, and I don't see why people would want to identify with a certain set of gender roles without all the social pressure.

There's no neutrois gender role and I still identify with the neutrois gender rather than with no gender at all.

[Edgy Opinions]

And it wouldn't if the whole notion was abolished in society.

Like most of the world's population, I don't even believe in the notion of 'gender' being separate from 'sex'. If a man thinks he's a woman, he's as mentally ill as a man who wakes up one morning and thinks he's Napoleon, or a woman who thinks she's Boudicca.

And what if someone feels disconnected from both concepts?