Fawklands, Who Should Have Them?

[Planita]

Oh I thought you meant "take" like I just made a personal attack on you, which I thought was odd but people can be sensitive at times.

Nope. My apathy on this Falklands stuff is remarkable. Let 'em live, I say. If somebody kept asking me.

as I. What is the big deal about this island aside from the oil and the nationalism

[Dumb Ideologies]

Literally all you ever give us is "ME ANGRY" and "BRITAIN SMASH!", you really don't get to cast aspersions.

Think about it for a moment. Which is more likely - everyone else here is a pro-imperialist British shill, or are you the one with the bizarre opinions? In every single debate you always end up entirely on your own, no-one of any shade of political opinion wants to be associated with hateful anglophobic tripe. The penny's got to drop at some point.

Well that is because you don't read and color my opinions to suite your bizarre agenda, I rather be alone than side with the British, It is better to oppose imperialism alone if anything

Your side has not answered even question

How on earth do you justify British actions in Diego Garcia ?

There's a big gap in the logic here which you keep refusing to address and which is why no-one is taking you seriously. The two cases aren't even related. Your argument seems to be that because something wrong was done in the past to one group of people, another wrong thing needs to be done to an entirely different group of people. Why? Spite? Racism? You need to show your working because at the moment you're just asserting a string of unrelated things and making complete non sequiturs.

[Ifaltannia]

Source for the poll:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21750909

[Ostroeuropa]

Nope. My apathy on this Falklands stuff is remarkable. Let 'em live, I say. If somebody kept asking me.

as I. What is the big deal about this island aside from the oil and the nationalism

The right of self determination. You know, the entire rationale for the end of imperialism?
Is that suddenly not a thing anymore?
Well chaps, time to invade Egypt and seize the suez again.

[Calimera II]

So Argentinians, do you see why we hold the Falklands

1. The People Of The Islands Want Us To
2. The UN Actively Backs Up Our Claim But Not Yours
3. Your Claim Was Outdated in 1853 At The Latest
4. The Spanish roots are a cute story, but dont affect anyone on the island apart from the wars you started
5. We had the islands before spain after we took them from the french
6. We had them before you even existed as a country

7. The only reason Argentina is even seriously interested, is because the issue was used as a rallying cry by a desperate and unpopular Argentine Junta, in an effort to rally the populace behind them.

Another argument that is false.

[Costa Fierro]

1. You mean the implanted population?

The vast majority of the islanders are either descended from the British or the Argentinians that chose to stay.

2. False

Somewhat. The UN doesn't have an official position but international organizations such as the EU recognize the Falklands as British.

3. False

No. The Argentine claim to the islands is vague and is based on historical misinterpretation.

4. But you left and didn't claim them; changed your geopolitical policies in the 30s of the 19th century and decided to occupy the islands.

They were already claimed by Britain. Vernet established as settlement after he sought permission from the British. And it wasn't the British who invaded, but the Americans after Vernet interned an American whaling ship.

5. And you left

But the British still claimed the islands. Just because you leave a place doesn't doesn't mean that the neighbors are entitled to the land. Would you move into a neighbors house if they left on vacation or left for an extended period of time?

6. And you left

And they did. But the British still claimed the islands. That does not give Argentina the right to those islands and any settlements on them were built with permission from the British government.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

My Arguement is not giving it to Argentia but not giving it too Britain, I have stated that 100 times already

Right then, very good, any idea how we'd prop up the Falklands on their own? or is there an alternative to Falklander independence?

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

[The Emerald Dragon]

Nope. My apathy on this Falklands stuff is remarkable. Let 'em live, I say. If somebody kept asking me.

as I. What is the big deal about this island aside from the oil and the nationalism

The Islanders want to remain part of Britain, Argentina doesn't want the Islanders wishes to be upheld and wants to Falklands for...

*Historical claim(Which is sort of sketchy)
*Moniez

[Ostroeuropa]

Right then, very good, any idea how we'd prop up the Falklands on their own? or is there an alternative to Falklander independence?

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

Demilitarize with an irredentist power right next door?
You wot m8

If Argentina cools it's jets and renounces it's claim maybe.

[Costa Fierro]

Another argument that is false.

It was a justification for the 1982 war and it's always used as a distraction in Argentina in tough times.

[Calimera II]

1. You mean the implanted population?

The vast majority of the islanders are either descended from the British or the Argentinians that chose to stay.

2. False

Somewhat. The UN doesn't have an official position but international organizations such as the EU recognize the Falklands as British.

3. False

No. The Argentine claim to the islands is vague and is based on historical misinterpretation.

4. But you left and didn't claim them; changed your geopolitical policies in the 30s of the 19th century and decided to occupy the islands.

They were already claimed by Britain. Vernet established as settlement after he sought permission from the British. And it wasn't the British who invaded, but the Americans after Vernet interned an American whaling ship.

5. And you left

But the British still claimed the islands. Just because you leave a place doesn't doesn't mean that the neighbors are entitled to the land. Would you move into a neighbors house if they left on vacation or left for an extended period of time?

6. And you left

And they did. But the British still claimed the islands. That does not give Argentina the right to those islands and any settlements on them were built with permission from the British government.

This is false. We had the same discussion last time. You should really read books instead of biased sources.

[Allegan County]

The islanders have chosen to remain a part of the UK and their choice should be respected. It's as simple as that.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

Well that is because you don't read and color my opinions to suite your bizarre agenda, I rather be alone than side with the British, It is better to oppose imperialism alone if anything

Your side has not answered even question

How on earth do you justify British actions in Diego Garcia ?

There's a big gap in the logic here which you keep refusing to address and which is why no-one is taking you seriously. The two cases aren't even related. Your argument seems to be that because something wrong was done in the past to one group of people, another wrong thing needs to be done to an entirely different group of people. Why? Spite? Racism? You need to show your working because at the moment you're just asserting a string of unrelated things and making complete non sequiturs.

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

[Fartsniffage]

Right then, very good, any idea how we'd prop up the Falklands on their own? or is there an alternative to Falklander independence?

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

We tried the whole demilitarisation thing....didn't work out so well.

Plus, the fast jets give the penguins something interesting to watch.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Right then, very good, any idea how we'd prop up the Falklands on their own? or is there an alternative to Falklander independence?

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

There's no British military in the area, there's patrols near the Falklands because of the 1982 Falklands war but no military in the Antarctic.

Britain's claim is a scientific claim which is for the benefit of all the Earth.

[Calimera II]

Another argument that is false.

It was a justification for the 1982 war and it's always used as a distraction in Argentina in tough times.

The Malvinas are always mentioned and not only in bad times. So yes, that argument is false.

[Newfoundland-Labrador]

Right then, very good, any idea how we'd prop up the Falklands on their own? or is there an alternative to Falklander independence?

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

I'll give this is one of the more 'rational' arguments I've heard against British administration of the Falklands, if rather eccentric and unrealistic. Are you really convinced that Britain is poised to use Antarctica to it's advantage with the Falklands as a skipping stone?

[Ifaltannia]

Argentina, stop arguing about this implanted population.
If you do i'll send you all back to spain. You're implanted yourselves

[Val Halla]

There's a big gap in the logic here which you keep refusing to address and which is why no-one is taking you seriously. The two cases aren't even related. Your argument seems to be that because something wrong was done in the past to one group of people, another wrong thing needs to be done to an entirely different group of people. Why? Spite? Racism? You need to show your working because at the moment you're just asserting a string of unrelated things and making complete non sequiturs.

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

They do that? Have they done it recently? You can't force somebody to move in these times. Forgive and Forget.

[The Emerald Dragon]

There's a big gap in the logic here which you keep refusing to address and which is why no-one is taking you seriously. The two cases aren't even related. Your argument seems to be that because something wrong was done in the past to one group of people, another wrong thing needs to be done to an entirely different group of people. Why? Spite? Racism? You need to show your working because at the moment you're just asserting a string of unrelated things and making complete non sequiturs.

If the British can forcefully relocate people from their homes, why can't the British be relocated forcefully back to their home ?

Their homes ARE the Falklands.

Or do I have to bring Kashmir into the equation?

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

The only sane solution I think to this as that Britain renounces it's claim to Antarctica and demilitarizes that area than I would even consider supporting Britain's claim or being silent about it

There's no British military in the area, there's patrols near the Falklands because of the 1982 Falklands war but no military in the Antarctic.

Britain's claim is a scientific claim which is for the benefit of all the Earth.

That is a load of bullshit funniest thing I am going to here, Britain's claim is scientific yes maybe today but in 50 years things would be different.

[Calimera II]

Argentina, stop arguing about this implanted population.
If you do i'll send you all back to spain. You're implanted yourselves

Ok.

[Reploid Productions]

Look It Up Dumbass

Knock off the flaming. Also, review the rules here, because stooping to the petty flaming is a good way to find yourself on the business end of the banhammer.


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[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

MAERDY FOR THE FALKLANDS - LET'S TRADE!

[Ostroeuropa]

There's no British military in the area, there's patrols near the Falklands because of the 1982 Falklands war but no military in the Antarctic.

Britain's claim is a scientific claim which is for the benefit of all the Earth.

That is a load of bullshit funniest thing I am going to here, Britain's claim is scientific yes maybe today but in 50 years things would be different.

Ah yes, the imaginary Hitler argument. Always a classic.