[DEFEATED] Condemn The New Inquisition

[Consular]

I'm just going to quote this for evidentiary purposes.

>claims to be defender
>unambiguously threatens the sovereignty of a number of GCRs

I'm only defender to oppose imperialists. I don't defend for moral reasons, I defend because I like to wipe the floor with the people I'm defending against. Defending isn't having any impact so it's time for a new approach.

Wipe the floor with us, huh? How's that going for you so far, buddy?

[Ynys Prydain]

You know perfectly well that The West Pacific, The North Pacific, Osiris and Balder, the GCR allies of UIAF regions, are not colonies in the slightest sense.

They are functioning democracies with their own decision-making. You are now threatening to purge them because three of them have voted against you.

I actually don't know anything of the sort. Since signing treaties with imperialists, all of those regions have become shells of what they once were and lost anything unique about themselves. Sounds like a colony to me.

I'm threatening to purge them because they're imperialist colonies, not because three of them have voted against me. One of them hasn't, and I'll purge that one too if I get half a chance.

As for Evil Wolf, I must have forgotten when he joined our payroll, so it wouldn't hurt him in any case - indeed, he is probably the prominent serious raider we've historically had the most disagreements with.

I have no idea why we're discussing Evil Wolf...

[Consular]

You know perfectly well that The West Pacific, The North Pacific, Osiris and Balder, the GCR allies of UIAF regions, are not colonies in the slightest sense.

They are functioning democracies with their own decision-making. You are now threatening to purge them because three of them have voted against you.

I actually don't know anything of the sort. Since signing treaties with imperialists, all of those regions have become shells of what they once were and lost anything unique about themselves. Sounds like a colony to me.

I'm threatening to purge them because they're imperialist colonies, not because three of them have voted against me. One of them hasn't, and I'll purge that one too if I get half a chance.

So that's your opinion of TNP then? Very interesting coming from someone who, correct me if I'm wrong, is currently running for justice in TNP. I wonder what the citizens of TNP would make of you considering them all mindless imperial thralls, and, even worse, of your explicit threat to coup their region? I wonder if they'd like to hear that you'd purge their region if you got "half a chance"?

[Killer Kitty]

There are limited ways to have any impact on imperialists. Defending isn't getting it and you control the Security Council now, so I'll have to hit you where it hurts: your Feeder and Sinker colonies.

Off the bat, *I* have no colonies and am not an imperialist.

More importantly, I believe that TNI doesn't claim a single Feeder or Sinker as it's colony, merely allies. You might be so delusional that you can not distinguish between the two, but the residents and citizens of those regions would greatly object to your claim. You can go full blow conspiracy theory and claim that those regions that have treaties with TNI are "secrecy colonies" but I think that rather defeats the point of a colony, if you're going to nitpick.

Personally, I would love to see the reaction to you claiming that TNP was a colony of Europiea simply because they have a Security Treaty with the region. "Treaties with" and "colonies of" are not even remotely close to being the same thing.

As a self-proclaimed Defender, I would have expected you to know that.

I have no idea why we're discussing Evil Wolf...

He didn't actually bother to read my commend before he objected to it, you see.

[Onderkelkia]

As for Evil Wolf, I must have forgotten when he joined our payroll, so it wouldn't hurt him in any case - indeed, he is probably the prominent serious raider we've historically had the most disagreements with.

I have no idea why we're discussing Evil Wolf...

Killer Kitty, the former Delegate of Lazarus, is Evil Wolf.

[Ynys Prydain]

So that's your opinion of TNP then? Very interesting coming from someone who, correct me if I'm wrong, is currently running for justice in TNP. I wonder what the citizens of TNP would make of you considering them all mindless imperial thralls, and, even worse, of your explicit threat to coup their region? I wonder if they'd like to hear that you'd purge their region if you got "half a chance"?

I dunno, go tell them? I just withdrew from the race for justice.

He didn't actually bother to read my commend before he objected to it, you see.

Killer Kitty, the former Delegate of Lazarus, is Evil Wolf.

I wish someone had told me this before I bothered responding to him at all.

[KaelThas Quilor]

I'm only defender to oppose imperialists. I don't defend for moral reasons, I defend because I like to wipe the floor with the people I'm defending against. Defending isn't having any impact so it's time for a new approach.

Wait wait wait.

Now, I know you like to change your mind, but usually it doesn't happen over the course of a few hours in a single thread. Let's walk the conversation back bit.

The world of gameplay is black and white. There are people who raid and there are people who defend regions against those people. The shades of gray are bullshit disguises worn by raiders who like to play politician, and nothing more.

Here, you're explicitly using moral language. So what is it? Are you a defender because you want to fight Imperialists (though I'm not sure why you suddenly hate us) or because raiding needs to be stopped?

Have fun playing "Where's Cormac?" for however long it takes.

Have fun being as much a failure at this as you are at everything else you try your hand at? What was the last thing you actually succeeded at in Gameplay?

don't know anything of the sort. Since signing treaties with imperialists, all of those regions have become shells of what they once were and lost anything unique about themselves. Sounds like a colony to me.

Uhm...What?

Care to clarify? Or offer some proof to back up that claim? What do you mean they've become shells? What have they lost? All the GCRs that are allied with TNI still look pretty unique to me. They certainly don't blend together. What was it that was 'unique about them' that has magically been lost by a mere treaty?

[Darkesia]

So, you want to be Delegate of TWP? Better get busy tarting up the place and wooing the populace. I suggest starting with Glenda. She is always up for a good wooing.

[the Imperial Crown]

In the first round of Where's Cormac, he's been sighted in Osiris under an Empire flag and endo-tarting. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=cormac_a_stark

/sigh

It's times like this where I need a holiday.

[Ynys Prydain]

Here, you're explicitly using moral language. So what is it? Are you a defender because you want to fight Imperialists (though I'm not sure why you suddenly hate us) or because raiding needs to be stopped?

Both.

As to why I "hate" you, first of all, I don't. This is a game.

Secondly, I don't like that you have no respect for any other regions but your own. Specifically, you disrespected a region that was once my home but due to imperialists is no longer my home.

And third:

Have fun being as much a failure at this as you are at everything else you try your hand at? What was the last thing you actually succeeded at in Gameplay?

^ Because all of you are like this.

In the first round of Where's Cormac, he's been sighted in Osiris under an Empire flag and endo-tarting. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=cormac_a_stark

/sigh

It's times like this where I need a holiday.

I'm sure Osiris appreciates you keeping the Security Council well informed.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Imperialists have never driven you out of anywhere. You drive yourself out of everywhere. Where is this 'home' that Imperialists magically destroyed for you?

cause all of you are like this.

We're like this because you're a man who cannot keep his word, changes sides regular, has perfected the art of self-righteousness and makes threats and promises you can't follow through on. No one was like this unsolicited. You earned the disrespect you have from people across the game. Imperialists aren't the only people who aren't fond of you. When you first joined, you didn't get this kind of response because you weren't being a jackass just about 24/7.

I'm a jackass. When people treat me badly because I'm like that, I don't blame them. It's just called consequences. But for you, Cormac, you apparently haven't earned an ounce of the scorn you've received. Not one. You're a squeaky shiny angel.

[Consular]

In the first round of Where's Cormac, he's been sighted in Osiris under an Empire flag and endo-tarting. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=cormac_a_stark

/sigh

It's times like this where I need a holiday.

I find it mildly amusing that the first two nations to endorse him are members of the Atef.

[Zaolat]

In the first round of Where's Cormac, he's been sighted in Osiris under an Empire flag and endo-tarting. http://www.nationstates.net/nation=cormac_a_stark

/sigh

It's times like this where I need a holiday.

I find it mildly amusing that the first two nations to endorse him are members of the Atef.

We're well aware and the Atef are aware together with us in government. So, Cassius I hope you aren't making any implications towards the Atef here, because if so, you're completely incorrect.

Secondly, this is off-topic so let's not talk about it.

[Consular]

You're being unnecessarily defensive Zao. I wasn't implying they were working with him or anything diabolical, if that's what you're thinking. Just that I found them endorsing a nation with an empire flag funny, no implications intended.

The current vote: For: 2,604. Against: 5,311.

I expect this resolution won't pass.

[Unibot III]

Imperialists have never driven you out of anywhere. You drive yourself out of everywhere. Where is this 'home' that Imperialists magically destroyed for you?

Well, he is Persona Non Grata in Europeia. >_>

[Solorni]

Imperialists have never driven you out of anywhere. You drive yourself out of everywhere. Where is this 'home' that Imperialists magically destroyed for you?

Well, he is Persona Non Grata in Europeia. >_>

Europeia is an independent region.

[New Female Order]

He wasn't in Europeia. We didn't drive him out of there, Europeia isn't Imperialist and he was made PNG because he repeatedly badmouthed us for years. Is it a little petty? Arguably. But its not unreasonable to say 'hey, you hate us that much? okay, fine, we're not letting you hang out in our clubhouse'.

-Cerian with a clean puppet he just ruined. Frak.

[Ynys Prydain]

To be clear, I was not referring to Europeia and I do not and would never consider it my home. Though I think Unibot was responding to the claim that imperialists have never driven me out of anywhere.

[Mousebumples]

To be clear, I was not referring to Europeia and I do not and would never consider it my home. Though I think Unibot was responding to the claim that imperialists have never driven me out of anywhere.

Again, we (Europeia) are not Imperialists, so the confusion over whatever point he was trying to make still stands.

[North East Somerset]

For the record, this was a telegram sent out by Cormac in August 2013 the last time a Condemn TNI resolution came to vote:

Greetings, fellow World Assembly Delegate!

My name is Cormac Stark and I'm the Pharaoh and Delegate of the game-created region Osiris, one of the largest and most well respected democratic regions in NationStates. I'm writing to personally ask you not to approve the proposal Condemn The New Inquisition, to withdraw your approval if you have already approved it, and to vote against the proposal if it reaches a vote. Both the proposal and the campaign telegram you received earlier are full of inaccurate, slanderous propaganda aimed at damaging the reputation of The New Inquisition. These propagandists are hoping you won't be aware of a few key issues:

• While it's true that The New Inquisition once invaded The Rejected Realms, what these propagandists neglect to mention is that The New Inquisition is at war with the Founderless Regions Alliance (FRA) -- and The Rejected Realms is an FRA member region. The New Inquisition's invasion of The Rejected Realms was part of a broader, declared war. Whatever you may think of war in NationStates or of The New Inquisition and the Founderless Regions Alliance, The New Inquisition's invasion of The Rejected Realms wasn't an arbitrary invasion as the author of this proposal has characterized it. Additionally, because nations cannot be ejected from The Rejected Realms no harm was done to the region or its native population during the course of this brief invasion.
• Referring to The New Inquisition as "imperialist raiders," this proposal fails to mention the key efforts of The New Inquisition to liberate my own home region, Osiris, when it was overthrown and purged by The Dourian Embassy in July. The New Inquisition provided by far the largest military force in support of our legitimate government and it is not an exaggeration to say that The Dourian Embassy might still be continuing his reign of terror in Osiris today if not for the commitment The New Inquisition and its allies in the United Imperial Armed Forces made to our liberation. The New Inquisition made a similarly strong commitment to the liberation of our mutual ally The South Pacific in April.
• This proposal also defames our sister Sinker, Balder, by referring to it as a "satellite region" of The New Inquisition. Balder is an independent region and is not a satellite of The New Inquisition. Like most GCRs, including Osiris, Balder has a mixture of those who have been involved in other regions and those who have always exclusively called Balder their home. If this proposal passes it will be a slap in the face to those who have worked so hard to build a vibrant, active community in Balder to see their region declared nothing more than a satellite of The New Inquisition by the Security Council.
• Aside from the defamatory, blatant inaccuracies and outright falsehoods found in this proposal, the proposal is also poorly written and contains a number of spelling and grammatical errors that make it unfit for passage by the Security Council.

I have served as a defender in the past, prior to my Delegacy, and have had my disagreements with The New Inquisition and opposed them on the battlefield. Nevertheless, for the reasons cited above I have not approved this proposal and if Condemn The New Inquisition goes to a vote, I will be voting against it as the Pharaoh and Delegate of Osiris. I urge you to join me in refusing to approve this proposal and in voting against it should it reach a vote. If your WA vote is determined by regional voters, I respectfully ask you to please share this telegram with them so that they will be voting with full knowledge of all the information that is available.

Thank you,
Cormac Stark
Pharaoh and Delegate of Osiris

Some have suggested there are inconsistencies there with his current posturing?

Now you may very well think that, but of course, I couldn't possibly comment.

[Solorni]

I love Kevin Spacey but I dislike Robin Wright. This ain't gonna work out nES

[Ynys Prydain]

Again, we (Europeia) are not Imperialists, so the confusion over whatever point he was trying to make still stands.

I would say "a rose by any other name..." but y'all are emphatically not a rose.

For the record, this was a telegram sent out by Cormac in August 2013 the last time a Condemn TNI resolution came to vote:

<snip>

Some have suggested there are inconsistencies there with his current posturing?

Now you may very well think that, but of course, I couldn't possibly comment.

"CORMAC STARK INCONSISTENT - NEWS AT 11"

But really, is this the best you can do? I'm basically Durk at this point except vastly more active and I don't like imperialists. I don't care how much you attack my character. There is nothing you can do to me. How does that make you feel?

[Consular]

Nah, you're nowhere near as classy as Durk.

[Stractron]

The new inquisition has been dead for years. You can't condemn ancient nations.The Rejected Realms still should not have been raided.

[KaelThas Quilor]

To be clear, I was not referring to Europeia and I do not and would never consider it my home. Though I think Unibot was responding to the claim that imperialists have never driven me out of anywhere.

And even then, you still weren't driven out of Euro. You left. Ages ago.