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by The 502nd SS » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:52 pm
by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:52 pm
The 502nd SS wrote:My guess is that the media has no idea what a machine gun is, they think anything faster than a musket is a machine gun
by Autonomous Titoists » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:53 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:Autonomous Titoists wrote:You make a fair point it is preventable but we shouldn't continue sacrificing freedoms for temporary safety, Benjamin Franklin approved.
So we should get ride of all of the police, because they take away liberty and give temporary safety.
Here is the thing, what they are proposing is essentially reorganizing and buying some equipment that is just an improvement on wha they already have.
by Northwest Slobovia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:55 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:Northwest Slobovia wrote:Let's see... "one of the longest and bloodiest events in American police history". Because, clearly, police must be able to deal with singular, historical events using equipment they have lying around. Might as well give 'em MANPADS so they can prevent another attack like 9/11. /nods.
But what we see in practice is that when we let cops play soldier, they misuse their weapons, using overkill against innocent citizens.
Police do go up against armed individuals, and sometimes they have to go up against armed individuals under adverse circumstances. Giving the good equipment (which really is all rifles and body armor is) dramatically increases the effectiveness of the police in those situations. I'm not suggesting manpads or explosives, and as far as I can tell neither is the NYPD.
You just pointed out we can't judge things based off of a single instance, so please provide proof that police SWAT teams regularly misuse their equipment. Not to mention that training had little to do with the flashbang landing in the crib.
Washington Post wrote:But in the one state [Maryland] where we do have the date, here’s what we know:
• Since the law passed in 2009, the data have consistently shown that on average there are about 4.5 SWAT raids each day in Maryland.
• Prince George’s County alone averaged well over one SWAT raid each day in 2012 (510 in total).
• In 2012, nearly 90 percent of the SWAT raids in Maryland were to serve search warrants.
• About two of every three SWAT raids used forced entry.
• Half the SWAT deployments in 2012 were for “Part II” crimes, the nonviolent class of crimes. The vast majority of those raids were to serve search warrants on people suspected of drug offenses.
• In 22 raids in 2012, or a little over one percent of the total, a law enforcement officer fired his gun.
• About 15 percent of the raids in 2012 resulted in no seized contraband of any kind. About a third of the raids resulted in no arrests. The Maryland law doesn’t track what charges resulted in the raids that did produce arrests, but past reviews of SWAT raids by local newspapers suggest that only a small percentage of raids result in felony charges.
by Autonomous Titoists » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:55 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:55 pm
by Spirit of Hope » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:56 pm
Autonomous Titoists wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:
So we should get ride of all of the police, because they take away liberty and give temporary safety.
Here is the thing, what they are proposing is essentially reorganizing and buying some equipment that is just an improvement on wha they already have.
Yes it is but its going to be something they will want to pull out I know cops I'm related to some when they get new toys they want to see them in action. I'm not against them getting armor and machine guns South Fulton TN (buttfuck nowhere) has that, I don't want what everyone lese is saying oppressive psychos on armored vehicles with Ma Deuces mounted on the top.
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by The 502nd SS » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:56 pm
by The United States of North Amerigo » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:57 pm
by Autonomous Titoists » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:58 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:Autonomous Titoists wrote:Yes it is but its going to be something they will want to pull out I know cops I'm related to some when they get new toys they want to see them in action. I'm not against them getting armor and machine guns South Fulton TN (buttfuck nowhere) has that, I don't want what everyone lese is saying oppressive psychos on armored vehicles with Ma Deuces mounted on the top.
But that isn't what the article is talking about. It is like worrying that Obama will make a Death Star because NASA wants to go back to the moon.
by Gauthier » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:59 pm
by The United States of North Amerigo » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:59 pm
Scomagia wrote:Apparatchikstan wrote:And when that global killing asteroid hits, none of it is gonna matter anymore. Seriously, equating terrorism with natural phenomena and marginalizing it's adressability is highly disingenuous. Like disease, it is preventable, and therefore should be on general principle.
What's really amusing is that in attempting to "address terrorism", we've made it worse. http://rt.com/news/206475-terrorism-inc ... rt-deaths/
The cure is worse than the disease.
by Sahrani South » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:59 pm
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/01/30/nypd-to-launch-a-beefed-up-counterterrorism-squad/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/nyreg ... tions.html
tl;dr:
The NYPD is forming a 'Strategic Response Group,' equipped with 'heavy body armor' and 'machine guns' to deal with terrorists and protestors.
This is "machine guns" in the words of the police commissioner, not journalists, mind. Still, that can presumably mean anything from an SMG to a vehicle mounted 50 caliber machine gun. However, more disturbing than the simple existence of the unit (which is pretty goddamn disturbing,) is the fact that protesters are now apparently in the same category as terrorists, and that it is apparently official NYPD policy to employ machine gun armed paramilitary units against them.
by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:02 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:03 pm
by The 502nd SS » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:05 pm
by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:05 pm
by Tyrinth » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:09 pm
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by Vaaxin » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:30 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:Northwest Slobovia wrote:Let's see... "one of the longest and bloodiest events in American police history". Because, clearly, police must be able to deal with singular, historical events using equipment they have lying around. Might as well give 'em MANPADS so they can prevent another attack like 9/11. /nods.
But what we see in practice is that when we let cops play soldier, they misuse their weapons, using overkill against innocent citizens.
Police do go up against armed individuals, and sometimes they have to go up against armed individuals under adverse circumstances. Giving the good equipment (which really is all rifles and body armor is) dramatically increases the effectiveness of the police in those situations. I'm not suggesting manpads or explosives, and as far as I can tell neither is the NYPD.
You just pointed out we can't judge things based off of a single instance, so please provide proof that police SWAT teams regularly misuse their equipment. Not to mention that training had little to do with the flashbang landing in the crib.
by Cetacea » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:31 pm
by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:31 pm
Vaaxin wrote:Spirit of Hope wrote:Police do go up against armed individuals, and sometimes they have to go up against armed individuals under adverse circumstances. Giving the good equipment (which really is all rifles and body armor is) dramatically increases the effectiveness of the police in those situations. I'm not suggesting manpads or explosives, and as far as I can tell neither is the NYPD.
You just pointed out we can't judge things based off of a single instance, so please provide proof that police SWAT teams regularly misuse their equipment. Not to mention that training had little to do with the flashbang landing in the crib.
When you don't capitalize it, it sounds like you're talking about male maxi pads, which I find amusing.
...I'm sorry, I'll go now.
by Autonomous Titoists » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:37 pm
Cetacea wrote:so these terrorist protestors in NYC now constitute a heavy armoured offence planning to invade the city rather than small rapid sabotage cells? How is the NYC heavy response unit suppose to deal with terrorism when normal swat cant
by The Emerald Dawn » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:38 pm
Autonomous Titoists wrote:Cetacea wrote:so these terrorist protestors in NYC now constitute a heavy armoured offence planning to invade the city rather than small rapid sabotage cells? How is the NYC heavy response unit suppose to deal with terrorism when normal swat cant
Well depending who your asking mounted machine guns on police vehicles.
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