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by Constaniana » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:17 am
Ameriganastan wrote:I work hard to think of those ludicrous Eric adventure stories, but I don't think I'd have come up with rescuing a three armed alchemist from goblin-monkeys in a million years.
Kudos.
by Altito Asmoro » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:49 am
Constaniana wrote:The forum lives!
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by The Grey Wolf » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:05 am
Agritum wrote:
Sniper with most kills in US Military history. Recently became subject of a Clint Eastwood film. Shitstorm wether the film is pro or anti-war, and on wether Kyle was a star spangled patriot or a deeply troubled man.
by Occupied Deutschland » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:08 am
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Zeinbrad wrote:I'm talking about the people who say it's pro-war or Chis is a psychopath etc etc.
I feel like I was the only one who came out of their feeling anti-war and seeing how messed up Chris was.
For the moment, I'll just say that Chris Kyle was extraordinarily lucky that the government offered him a way to go out and legally kill people.
Because otherwise, I am positive he'd have gone out and killed people illegally.
Zeinbrad wrote:I'm talking about the people who say it's pro-war or Chis is a psychopath etc etc.
I feel like I was the only one who came out of their feeling anti-war and seeing how messed up Chris was.
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Agritum wrote:I think then most absurd thing about all of that is that he eventually got murdered.
In retrospect, I personally don't think it was absurd - I think it was just sickeningly predictable.
You take three guys to a gun range, at least two of whom are suffering from significant PTSD symptoms? It doesn't take hindsight to think something's going to go wrong somewhere.
How could anyone have thought that was a good idea?
by The Grey Wolf » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:10 am
by The Tiger Kingdom » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:46 am
The Grey Wolf wrote:Agritum wrote:Sniper with most kills in US Military history. Recently became subject of a Clint Eastwood film. Shitstorm wether the film is pro or anti-war, and on wether Kyle was a star spangled patriot or a deeply troubled man.
Why not both? Classical literature is filled with men who were badass soldiers yet totally messed up morally in their personal lives (Achilles, Agamemnon, etc.) when did the West suddenly demand our heroes become enlightened harbringers of peace and flowers?
Occupied Deutschland wrote:I think that latter feeling was part of the point. Irrespective of Kyle's real-life mental status, the movie seemed to be deliberately pointing towards the mindset that produced a 'warrior' mentality in the amalgam-character Kyle turned into, and whether or not that qualified as 'messed up' or not. In fact, I've mentioned this before, but the movie felt like a video-rendition of 'On Killing' and 'On Combat' by Dave Grossman (not a psychologist, but a retired soldier), two books that discussed at length the mindset needed to kill another person and the training strategies and such that military and police organizations adopted (or could adopt or change) that would contribute to that capability, pointing to the famous '90% of soldiers deliberately aim to miss in combat' study that was done in the Vietnam era.
Occupied Deutschland wrote:If I remember correctly, Grossman specifically talks about a subset of people being significantly more mentally capable of killing another person even without such training procedures or 'coping' techniques as he talked about, though I don't recall the specifics of what he said about them (I believe he deliberately distinguished them from psychopaths via their ability to care about the protection of others, their capability to apply morality to their ability to kill).
Occupied Deutschland wrote: In fact, the portrayed 'Sheep, sheepdog, wolves' speech Kyle's father makes in the movie is ripped straight from On Combat, and I'm certain the screenwriter did so deliberately.
Of course, Grossman isn't a psychologist and such folks could well be psychopathic (as one could very easily see Kyle as being even in the movie, and even more easily in real-life), that's a rather interesting discussion one could get into. Is the innate capability to kill another person and remain mentally balanced so uncommon and require such a different mental mindset that such people who can do so are automatically outside the 'norm', or does the capability to teach such behavior into others who don't have such an innate ability mean it is the result of something else, the product of a certain set of values and lessons learned by some and not others?
Occupied Deutschland wrote:I don't want to start an argument, so I'll keep this to a very bare-bones answer of the question. Violence rates for people with PTSD aren't significantly greater than those in the general population (around 10% higher), that difference drops further when substance abuse and other correlative risk factors are controlled for. Social isolation and feelings of not belonging to anything or having lost pastimes and such one used to enjoy are some of those correlative risk factors. Going out shooting with other people at a gun range eases that social isolation and reinstates a pastime that the PTSD sufferer may well have enjoyed and then 'lost' in part due to his relation of it with his experiences or basic depression/isolation from his condition.
Occupied Deutschland wrote: Replacing such negative experience with positive ones shooting paper targets and clay pidgeons, particularly in an environment that is going to be much more easy to go to than a psychologist's office or such, and getting the support of other veterans who may also be shooting with the PTSD sufferer without the 'spectacle' of going to a formal counseling session for people with PTSD is going to be beneficial and could encourage the person to get professional help (if needed. It could also be beneficial enough to prevent the slide into depression/isolation/suicide that occurs). There is a resistance to taking advice from, or even going to see, a psychologist for many veterans and hearing the Vietnam veteran, or the Gulf War I veteran, or the other Afghanistan-Iraq-etc. veteran at the gun range urge him towards it, or mention how it wasn't to be feared, or even just comment about their experiences themselves in the war, can contribute to a much more serious contemplation of actually going to get help and/or a lower likelihood of falling into the trap of depression and isolation many veterans can get into.
Occupied Deutschland wrote:This is, of course, much more true about Texas and other rural 'flyover' state veterans than the veteran from New Jersey. Firearms and hunting are a much more integral part of the culture and getting veterans back into those activities can be an enormous help in preventing them from feeling like they're so removed from the general society and don't belong.
by Nature-Spirits » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:08 pm
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:17 pm
by Agritum » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:38 pm
by Nature-Spirits » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:41 pm
Agritum wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
I concur with N-S. Also, dat accent is great.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0746A6fLbYp
Yes, I sound kinda low for a 17 year old.
by The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:48 pm
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by Nightkill the Emperor » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:50 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:52 pm
by Nature-Spirits » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:57 pm
Agritum wrote:Agritum wrote:I can read you the first stanza of the Divine Comedy in Italian. My Italian is probably much cuter.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1AtEQD2efr4
And here it comes.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'm just waiting for the PG-13 sex tape.
by Rupudska » Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:59 pm
Hladgos wrote:Scantly clad women, more like tanks
seem to be blowing up everyones banks
with airstrikes from girls with wings to their knees
which show a bit more than just their panties
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