and what counts as incest? in some states if you have sex with your sons wife, that's incest (for example) in some states its first cousins. in some states both of those things are AOK.
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by Ashmoria » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:24 pm
by Desperate Measures » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:26 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Desperate Measures wrote:He could make a sign, too. It's good use your creative energy.
I'd watch that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vS5zR2w9VM
by Ifreann » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:45 pm
in some states its first cousins. in some states both of those things are AOK.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:54 pm
Bottle wrote:Bottle wrote:So how much time should the woman do for the "murders" that don't fit with your exemptions?
Let's use a common example: A woman gets an abortion because she can't afford another baby. What's her sentence? 20 years? Life? Could she perhaps become eligible for parole after menopause?
Extending this question to the other folks who are arguing that a fertilized egg is a baby. How much time should the woman do?
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by WestRedMaple » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:58 pm
Halnatorum wrote:Genivaria wrote:No its not.
Yes it is. If it wasn't murder a person who murders a pregnant woman would only be charged with one murder not two.
http://article.wn.com/view/2015/01/24/O ... tus_death/
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/o ... ederated=1
Thhe US government even recognizes fetuses as human beings: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_V ... olence_Act
So yes abortion is murder, every women who has terminated a pregnancy for any reason is guilty of murder.Socialist Czechia wrote:Either you must accept that woman has an option to have or not to have kids
She does have that option without murder, adoption, not havinng sex, getting her tubes tied.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:59 pm
Halnatorum wrote:Genivaria wrote:No its not.
Yes it is. If it wasn't murder a person who murders a pregnant woman would only be charged with one murder not two.
http://article.wn.com/view/2015/01/24/O ... tus_death/
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/o ... ederated=1
Thhe US government even recognizes fetuses as human beings: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_V ... olence_Act
So yes abortion is murder, every women who has terminated a pregnancy for any reason is guilty of murder.Socialist Czechia wrote:Either you must accept that woman has an option to have or not to have kids
She does have that option without murder, adoption, not havinng sex, getting her tubes tied.
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:04 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Bottle wrote:Especially since carrying one pregnancy means that the woman can't become pregnant with the baby she would have conceived the following month, which would have grown up to be one more scientist/criminal/laborer/whatever. The hypothetical do indeed become rather silly.
Some posters resort to that.
''What if you abort the babeeeehhhh!!!??? It won't have cake!''
''You might be killing the next Ahmadinejad!!''
''You may be killing the next scientist who discovers the cure for canceeeerrrrrr!''
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:05 pm
Soldati senza confini wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Some posters resort to that.
''What if you abort the babeeeehhhh!!!??? It won't have cake!''
''You might be killing the next Ahmadinejad!!''
''You may be killing the next scientist who discovers the cure for canceeeerrrrrr!''
The hilarious part is that we have countries right in the western hemisphere that have abortion criminalized.
But nobody focuses on that. For some reason pro-life Americans believe that their policy is better when it's the same fucking thing.
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by Luminesa » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:06 pm
Merizoc wrote:This'll end well.
No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.
There we go. Preemptive strike.
by Edgy Opinions » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:11 pm
Amareval wrote:Do you celebrate your birthday 9 months early? It should be the womans choice.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:11 pm
Luminesa wrote:Merizoc wrote:This'll end well.
No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.
There we go. Preemptive strike.
Hello!
First of all, I LOVE TOTORO!!! I saw your icon a while back, and I thought that was so cute! XD
Second, to start the conversation, I am 100% pro-life and proud of it.
So, I have asked multiple people, and nobody has given me a solid answer: what defines a person? Does thinking define a person? If I do a thoughtless act, like scribble a random drawing on a piece of paper (as I do often), or if I bleat like a sheep in class for no reason, does that make me any less human?
Now, here's my thing with "sovereignty". Let's say you make the same idea apply for something else:
You are a sergeant in the army. Let's say you have a new recruit join your unit. You don't like him. You think he's annoying. Does that give you the right to kill him?
(I'm not quite sure if that was the best analogy, but it's basically the same concept.)
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Neutraligon » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:11 pm
Luminesa wrote:Merizoc wrote:This'll end well.
No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.
There we go. Preemptive strike.
Hello!
First of all, I LOVE TOTORO!!! I saw your icon a while back, and I thought that was so cute! XD
Second, to start the conversation, I am 100% pro-life and proud of it.
So, I have asked multiple people, and nobody has given me a solid answer: what defines a person? Does thinking define a person? If I do a thoughtless act, like scribble a random drawing on a piece of paper (as I do often), or if I bleat like a sheep in class for no reason, does that make me any less human?
Now, here's my thing with "sovereignty". Let's say you make the same idea apply for something else:
You are a sergeant in the army. Let's say you have a new recruit join your unit. You don't like him. You think he's annoying. Does that give you the right to kill him?
(I'm not quite sure if that was the best analogy, but it's basically the same concept.)
by WestRedMaple » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:13 pm
Luminesa wrote:Merizoc wrote:This'll end well.
No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.
There we go. Preemptive strike.
Hello!
First of all, I LOVE TOTORO!!! I saw your icon a while back, and I thought that was so cute! XD
Second, to start the conversation, I am 100% pro-life and proud of it.
So, I have asked multiple people, and nobody has given me a solid answer: what defines a person? Does thinking define a person? If I do a thoughtless act, like scribble a random drawing on a piece of paper (as I do often), or if I bleat like a sheep in class for no reason, does that make me any less human?
Now, here's my thing with "sovereignty". Let's say you make the same idea apply for something else:
You are a sergeant in the army. Let's say you have a new recruit join your unit. You don't like him. You think he's annoying. Does that give you the right to kill him?
(I'm not quite sure if that was the best analogy, but it's basically the same concept.)
by Luminesa » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:13 pm
Geilinor wrote:Arkolon wrote:Kids can express opinions. When I said it was like euthanasia, I meant that the incapacitated patient has decisions made for them because they can't think for themselves. But yes, if a kid is so severely injured that they are only technically alive, and euthanasia is legal, the parents can have the kid killed.
In a permanent vegetative state, you mean?
by Neutraligon » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:15 pm
Luminesa wrote:Geilinor wrote:In a permanent vegetative state, you mean?
People are not vegetables. If I suddenly go comatose one day because of some horrific accident, that does not make me a carrot. I am still human, I'm just comatose.
A person does not stop being a person just because they cannot function as well as people who are not severely injured.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:15 pm
Luminesa wrote:Geilinor wrote:In a permanent vegetative state, you mean?
People are not vegetables. If I suddenly go comatose one day because of some horrific accident, that does not make me a carrot. I am still human, I'm just comatose.
A person does not stop being a person just because they cannot function as well as people who are not severely injured.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by MERIZoC » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:17 pm
Luminesa wrote:Merizoc wrote:This'll end well.
No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.
There we go. Preemptive strike.
So, I have asked multiple people, and nobody has given me a solid answer: what defines a person? Does thinking define a person? If I do a thoughtless act, like scribble a random drawing on a piece of paper (as I do often), or if I bleat like a sheep in class for no reason, does that make me any less human?
Now, here's my thing with "sovereignty". Let's say you make the same idea apply for something else:
You are a sergeant in the army. Let's say you have a new recruit join your unit. You don't like him. You think he's annoying. Does that give you the right to kill him?
(I'm not quite sure if that was the best analogy, but it's basically the same concept.)
by Luminesa » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:17 pm
WestRedMaple wrote:Luminesa wrote:
Hello!
First of all, I LOVE TOTORO!!! I saw your icon a while back, and I thought that was so cute! XD
Second, to start the conversation, I am 100% pro-life and proud of it.
So, I have asked multiple people, and nobody has given me a solid answer: what defines a person? Does thinking define a person? If I do a thoughtless act, like scribble a random drawing on a piece of paper (as I do often), or if I bleat like a sheep in class for no reason, does that make me any less human?
Now, here's my thing with "sovereignty". Let's say you make the same idea apply for something else:
You are a sergeant in the army. Let's say you have a new recruit join your unit. You don't like him. You think he's annoying. Does that give you the right to kill him?
(I'm not quite sure if that was the best analogy, but it's basically the same concept.)
Um, no....not in any way is that remotely the same concept. A squad, element, etc is not a human body.
by Lost heros » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:18 pm
Luminesa wrote:Merizoc wrote:This'll end well.
No, a fetus is not a person. Yes, a fetus is made of human cells. No, it does not think. Yes, a woman has bodily sovereignty.
There we go. Preemptive strike.
Hello!
First of all, I LOVE TOTORO!!! I saw your icon a while back, and I thought that was so cute! XD
Second, to start the conversation, I am 100% pro-life and proud of it.
So, I have asked multiple people, and nobody has given me a solid answer: what defines a person? Does thinking define a person? If I do a thoughtless act, like scribble a random drawing on a piece of paper (as I do often), or if I bleat like a sheep in class for no reason, does that make me any less human?
Now, here's my thing with "sovereignty". Let's say you make the same idea apply for something else:
You are a sergeant in the army. Let's say you have a new recruit join your unit. You don't like him. You think he's annoying. Does that give you the right to kill him?
(I'm not quite sure if that was the best analogy, but it's basically the same concept.)
by MERIZoC » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:18 pm
Luminesa wrote:Geilinor wrote:In a permanent vegetative state, you mean?
People are not vegetables. If I suddenly go comatose one day because of some horrific accident, that does not make me a carrot. I am still human, I'm just comatose.
A person does not stop being a person just because they cannot function as well as people who are not severely injured.
by Ifreann » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:19 pm
Merizoc wrote:Luminesa wrote:
People are not vegetables. If I suddenly go comatose one day because of some horrific accident, that does not make me a carrot. I am still human, I'm just comatose.
A person does not stop being a person just because they cannot function as well as people who are not severely injured.
Not remotely what vegetative state means.
by Luminesa » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:19 pm
Merizoc wrote:Luminesa wrote:
People are not vegetables. If I suddenly go comatose one day because of some horrific accident, that does not make me a carrot. I am still human, I'm just comatose.
A person does not stop being a person just because they cannot function as well as people who are not severely injured.
Not remotely what vegetative state means.
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