New Imperialism - AH RP v 2.1 [OOC, Signup]

[Liecthenbourg]

Every nation should, lest they want to incur the wrath of the Commonwealth.

Also, this will basically be a Geneva Convention but with Chemical Weapons added in.



Humanism.

Also, harming Pallasia in any way possible is Britain's utmost goal; if they have Chem Weps and we don't, we're sure as fuck gonna ban them.



It's not at all an OOC issue, it is an IC one. Tbh Glitter, you're the only person making it an OOC issue here.

Well I ain't signing it. And besides, there aren't going to be any use of chemical weapons in war because it's not likely for there to be a war this soon. So why even have a conference?

-silently chuckles-

[Reatra]

Dafuq is going on now?

Some people want to use chlorine in warfare. I say we just do the humane thing and use incendiary shells.

I think this TL wouldn't have chemical weapons be controlled like IRL as soon as they were. Becuase maybe European powers will decide not to use it on each other, but on potential colonies they might not care. Especially without a strong USA to "protect" (in the sense that the Europeans won't come back to America) the New World.

[Valentir]

Wait, we're having a Geneva Convention?

I ain't going or signing anything.

[Marsisian]

Well I ain't signing it. And besides, there aren't going to be any use of chemical weapons in war because it's not likely for there to be a war this soon. So why even have a conference?

-silently chuckles-

[Greater Mid West]

Every nation should, lest they want to incur the wrath of the Commonwealth.

Also, this will basically be a Geneva Convention but with Chemical Weapons added in.



Humanism.

Also, harming Pallasia in any way possible is Britain's utmost goal; if they have Chem Weps and we don't, we're sure as fuck gonna ban them.



It's not at all an OOC issue, it is an IC one. Tbh Glitter, you're the only person making it an OOC issue here.

Well I ain't signing it. And besides, there aren't going to be any use of chemical weapons in war because it's not likely for there to be a war this soon. So why even have a conference?

I would sign. Some more prestige for Argentina

[Lunas Legion]

Some people want to use chlorine in warfare. I say we just do the humane thing and use incendiary shells.

I think this TL wouldn't have chemical weapons be controlled like IRL as soon as they were. Becuase maybe European powers will decide not to use it on each other, but on potential colonies they might not care. Especially without a strong USA to "protect" (in the sense that the Europeans won't come back to America) the New World.

The CMA will use whatever weapons it can obtain. That includes chemical agents.

[Senkaku]

Dafuq is going on now?

People are complaining about chlorine gas.


If someone finds a realistic way to introduce it, I'm pretty sure the governments of imperialist Western Europe are going to be perfectly happy to use it to bomb "those bloody kaffirs" into submission, or use it on one another if war gets moving.

Speaking of which, are we going to have a war between the European Great Powers, or is it just going Europe happily getting along and ganging up on everyone else?
I feel like Portugal and Britain and Francia and the Netherlands should not be nearly so friendly.

[The Emerald Dragon]

I hath returned from thy restaurant.

[Lunas Legion]

Dafuq is going on now?

People are complaining about chlorine gas.


If someone finds a realistic way to introduce it, I'm pretty sure the governments of imperialist Western Europe are going to be perfectly happy to use it to bomb "those bloody kaffirs" into submission, or use it on one another if war gets moving.

Speaking of which, are we going to have a war between the European Great Powers, or is it just going Europe happily getting along and ganging up on everyone else?
I feel like Portugal and Britain and Francia and the Netherlands should not be nearly so friendly.

Some guy in the US Civil War proposed using 10-inch shells filled with chlorine gas, but the idea was never acted on.

Also, the Dutch and Portugese dislike each other.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

This issue of chlorine gas does present an issue to Brazil. Hmm, what to do, what to do

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

It's not at all an OOC issue, it is an IC one. Tbh Glitter, you're the only person making it an OOC issue here.

l o l because the seven plus OOC pages of discussion on chlorine warfare that caused me to comment totally wasn't an OOC issue.

[Sabara]

Application

Name: The Confederation of Switzerland and Piedmont (German: Bundesvereinigung der Schweiz und Piemont/Italian: Confederazione Svizzera e il Piemonte/French: Confédération des Suisse et Piémont) (Demonym: The most common references to the people of Switzerland-Piedmont are 'Swiss', 'Italian,' or 'Swiss-Italian.')

Symbols: Flag

Claims: Switzerland, Piedmont, Liguria (My Italian claims with the exception of northern Piedmont can be nullified if needed)

Power: Switzerland-Piedmont is a regional power, with slightly lower influence than secondary powers. Although it holds a large amount of economic standing in Europe; it doesn't have a powerful enough military to contend as a major player in international politics.

Government Structure: The Confederation is a federal directorial republic. Switzerland-Piedmont's National Assembly is made up of two houses; the Council of States and National Council. The National Council is a direct representation of the people (universal suffrage), while the Council of States is made up of deputies elected by the individual canton governments. A Chancellor is elected by the Council of States, and is the de-facto head of state.

Ideology/Policy: Switzerland-Piedmont's legislature is elected by the people, so it represents the interests of the entire nation. As a result, it follows libertarianism in much of it's economic policy, but is socially more conservative (because much of the population is Christian).

Leaders: Leon Leuthard (Chancellor)

Capital City: Bern.

Population: 16,801,910
Primary Ethnic Groups: German, Italian
Minority Ethnic Groups: French, Romanian

Description of Ethnicity: Imagine a bunch of happy Germans and Frenchmen living in urban conglomerates eating chocolate, working hard, and co-existing with no real problems. That's Switzerland. It's slightly different in Piedmont. Although they're equally rich, there's a stronger sense of national identity and desire for additional autonomy. So in that sense, Switzerland-Piedmontese culture is more prone to fragment than, say, France.

Language: Swiss German is the 'lingua franca' of Switzerland-Piedmont, although the Piedmontese/Ligurian areas mostly speak Italian.

Religion: During the early Reformation, most of northern Switzerland converted to Protestantism due to the efforts of Huldrych Zwingli. The city of Genoa was converted to the Reformed faith in 1548, and the surrounding townships followed suit. However, Lucerne in central Switzerland and Torino in western Piedmont remained strongly Catholic. The division between Catholics and Protestants resulted in several wars during the 1550s. Ultimately, the Protestants were victorious. This resulted in several anti-Catholic laws that were largely ineffective. When the edicts of tolerance were issued in 1712, there were still some small skirmishes that eventually died out.

Swiss Reformed: ~55%
Roman Catholic Church:~35%

Foreign Relations: Switzerland-Piedmont actively pursues a policy of neutrality, as it is surrounded by major powers like France and -insert big german nation here-. However, as an emerging naval power in the Mediterranean, many suspect that a rivalry may emerge with Catalonia/Naples.

Military Information: The Swiss-Piedmontese Armed Forces' main goal and purpose is to defend the country from foreign threats, not imperialism. As a result, it is focused on developing fortifications in the mountainous country, especially the border with France. Recently, the National Assembly has passed multiple initiatives to modernize and expand the navy, to expand Swiss-Piedmontese influence in the Mediterranean.

Army Size: ~140,000. 70,000 active.
Navy Size: 1 Battleship, 5 Monitors, 11 Frigates, 9 Man o' Wars, 3 Sloops, 6 Torpedo Boats, 1 submarine

Economic Policy: Traditionally, Switzerland-Piedmont has a laissez-faire approach to economics, with minimal government interference in free enterprise. However, with the Acts of Labour passed in 1870 (a response to a massive general strike in Zurich), workers are able to organize labour unions and enforce their rights. Education is subsidized through the age of 15.

Economic Situation: Switzerland-Piedmont modernized relatively early for it's location, and is home to one of the largest industrial centers in south-central Europe. However, with the Acts of Labour, the economy has become less reliant on cheap labour and the financial sector is becoming more important.

Infrastructure: A modern and kept-up system of railroads and roads connects the isolated cities of Switzerland with the southern industrial cities of Turin and Genoa. Bern and Zurich, the largest city in the country, are accessible from virtually all major western European capitals through all forms of transportation.

Imports & Exports: Imports: foodstuffs, chocolate, coffee, weaponry, steel/Exports: textiles, metals, machinery, steel, watches, fish, foodstuffs. Switzerland-Piedmont's political stability has made Switzerland a safe haven for investors, and is now a center of banking.
Currency: Swiss Franc

History: After the establishment of the Old Swiss Confederacy's de-facto independence from the Holy Roman Empire (The Swabian Wars of 1499), the Confederacy of cantons was set to become a successful military power in it's region; forewarning the decline of Savoy. In 1512, the Swiss-Savoyard wars began with the highly trained and powerful armies of the Confederacy staging an invasion of the Aosta Valley in northern Piedmont. Swiss armies marched south to Turin, and took the city after a long siege. Exhausted, Savoy agreed to a humiliating treaty which forced it to join the Confederacy (1515). Thus; the canton of Piedmont was established, and the modern state of Switzerland-Piedmont was in the making.

Genoa and Milan were infuriated with the vassalization of Savoy, declaring war on Switzerland in the autumn of 1524. A long, bloody power-struggle enveloped the three nations for five years. In the early stages of the war, Milan and Genoa scored rapid victories, capturing Turin in 1525. However, the Swiss army were more experienced in alpine warfare, where they defeated a large Milanese force at Sion. This turned the tide of the conflict into the Confederacy's favor. The triumphant Swiss Army chased the retreating, demoralized armies of Milan into Lombardy. Faced with complete defeat, the Duchy surrendered in 1528. Without Milan, Genoa crumbled. The Swiss army raced into Liguria, capturing the capital after a short siege. The war finally ended in 1530, with the annexation of Liguria under the Confederacy. Liguria was fully integrated in 1541, with the establishment of the Liguria Canton.

Just when it looked like Switzerland was poised to become a dominating force in Northern Italy, the Reformation hit in full force. Several reformed theologians journeyed to Zurich, and managed to convert much of the population. From there, protestantism spread through the different cantons like wildfire. As this new form of Christianity became entrenched, tensions between the Catholic/Protestant cantons was threatening to break apart the confederacy. Inter-cantonal conflicts erupted in 1550, called the 'Wars of Kappel.' The conflicts would last for thirty years, with a protestant victory. Only the major power's dependence on Swiss mercenaries kept Switzerland from foreign invasion.

During the Early Modern period of Swiss history, the growing authoritarianism of the patriciate families combined with a financial crisis in the wake of the Thirty Years' War led to the Ligurian Revolt of 1634 and the Swiss peasant war of 1653. In the background to this struggle, the conflict between Catholic and Protestant cantons persisted, erupting in further violence at the Battles of Villmergen in 1656 and 1712. At the end of these bloody conflicts, war-weary cantons were desperate to stop further violence from destroying Switzerland. All 15 of the cantons (including Liguria and Piedmont) met in Lucerne to establish an edict of religious tolerance for all of the Confederacy. It became known as the "Edict de Lucerne", (1720) and laid the groundwork for a united Swiss/Piedmontese nation.

In 1798, the French revolutionary government (embroiled in war with Austria) declared war on Switzerland and conquered the southernmost cantons of the Confederacy. However, they were unable to advance north into the heart of the nation. This was partly due to the geographical make-up of the region, and the heroic effort of Swiss defenders. The French Army finally occupied the rest of the country in 1800, and Napoleon declared the new 'Republic of Switzerland', a satellite state of France. However, the Swiss and Piedmontese were left with a shared sense of national identity.

When Napoleon was defeated in 1815, the Congress of Vienna of 1815 fully re-established Swiss independence and the European powers agreed to permanently recognise Swiss neutrality. At this time, the territory of Switzerland was increased for the last time, by the new cantons of Valais, Neuchâtel and Geneva.

The Confederacy was now more volatile than ever, and the Swiss/Piedmontese realized the need to create a centralized state in order to protect themselves and consolidate Swiss power in Europe. Thus, while the rest of Europe saw revolutionary uprisings, the Swiss and Piedmontese drew up a constitution which provided for a federal layout, much of it inspired by the American example. This constitution provided for a central authority while leaving the cantons the right to self-government on local issues. The modern nation of Switzerland-Piedmont was created.

As the industrial revolution spread throughout Europe, Switzerland-Piedmont experienced rapid modernization. Industrial centers popped up from Zurich to Genoa, with steel and textile factories making up the backbone of Swiss-Piedmontese industry. Railroads connected these centers together, and the region entered a period of growth and stability unseen since the early sixteenth century.

-The End-

Miscellaneous: Swiss Cantons: 13 (The largest is Zurich)/Piedmontese Cantons: 5 (The largest is Torino)/Ligurian Cantons: 1 (Genoa)

RP Example: (Look at the link in my sig.)
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[Marsisian]

Everyone should just use cyclosarin or tabun like normal people.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Application

Name: Nestorian Empire
Symbols: Georgian Cross, Nestorial Eagle
Claims: Orange
Power: Secondary Power

Government Structure: Theocratic Constitutional Monarchy. The Divine Writ, a Codex of Religious based Laws and Rights forms the Constitution of the nation. The Imperator, elected from the Descendants of Nestorius by the Council of Patriarchs, is also the head of the Nestorian Church of the East. As Patriarch of Nestorius, he wields vast religious power. As Emperor, he also wields great secular political power. The Council of Patriarchs mostly handles Church-related issues, and is independent of the Secular Government. However, they also form the Judicial portion of the government, and can review laws passed by the Assembly that they deem immoral and have them rewritten or revoked. Imperial Writs can not be reviewed by the Council, but by the Assembly, which is elected by district from the Nestorian and Old Eastern Church Male population. Likewise, the Imperator can propose Writs base don the will of the Council. The day to day dealings of the Empire are largely Secular, though a few offices, like the Office of Approved Religions, is Religious in nature.
Ideology/Policy: Nestorian Christianity, Divine Right of Nestor, Expansionism. The Nestorian Empire is fiercely protective of the lands they own and suffers from the societal memory of Catholic and Islamic purges. Because of this, Europe and Arabia are scorned in favor or Asia and America.
Leaders: Patriarch of Nestorius and Imperator Yusuf Nestorius, Assemblymen John Brown, Council Patriarch Tamar Nezerene
Capital City: Nestorius(Tehran)

Population: ~28,500,000 (Give or take some)
Primary Ethnic Group: Persian(35%)
Minority Ethnic Groups: Georgian(30%), Kurdish(25%), other(10%)
Description of Ethnicity: A mixture of the Persian peoples and the steppe nomads led to a hardy people who were prone to grazing and herding and frontier building. They are tall, brownish, and prone to being Clan oriented. They tend to mix Latin and Mongolian traditions. The vast majority are of the Nestorian Church, though about 15% are still Muslim. Family and Clan is very important, but loyalty to the Church is greater.
Language: Nesserese, Persian with the Latin Alphabet and a few Church Words transliterated across.
Religion: Nestorian Church of the East(READ: Organized Church of the East of IRL)

Foreign Relations: Good Relations with most of it's neighbors, sans the Crusader States and Arabia.
Military Information: A large and well trained mixed conscript-volunteer force. This is due to the spread out nature of the Empire, with various isolated land borders and many enemies located along the peripherals. The navies of the Caspian, Azov, and Black Sea Fleets are composed of older iron armored sailing ships and monitors with a smattering of newer ships. The Indian Ocean Navy is composed of a few battleships, cruisers, and frigates. The Hormuz Fleet is composed of Cruisers and Monitors. Coastal Batteries are placed strategically and are well manned, especially in Crimea. The majority of ships are torpedo boats and torpedo boat tenders. The Army utilizes both cavalry and infantry, with the steppe heritage of parts of the Empire providing excellent horse and rider for the Light Cavalry. Heavy Cavalry is uncommon, but Dragoons are, due to the large nature of the Empire. Light Infantry, Skirmishers, and Scouts are a goodly portion of the Army, while the rest fight in traditional European Fashion. The Gardner Gun and Gatling Guns are now in widespread usage, and 75mm and 150mm Artillery is provided organically to most Battalions.
Army Size: 200,000 men in four Armies.
-50,000 Army of Iraq
-50,000 Army of Persia
-50,000 Army of Caucuses
-50,000 Eastern Army
Navy Size: 80,000 men, including Naval Infantry, in Five Fleets
10,000 men in Naval Infantry and Support(Bases, Hosptials, etc)
20,000 Indian Fleet
15,000 Black Sea Fleet
15,000 Hormuz Fleet
10,000 Caspian Flotilla
10,000 Azov Flotilla

Economic Policy: State Distributionist Capitalism. Domestic Companies still dominate, though Foreign companies are allowed into the country, if and only if Nestorian Companies are allowed into that company's country under the same terms. Outside of the major industries, most companies operate under distributionist
Economic Situation: Stabilizing growth after a crash in the 70's and a meteoric growth period from 75-78. The Manufacturing sector is flourishing, and the rise in manufactring has lead to a rise in mining and and an increase in Infrastructure. There are several National Railroads now.
Infrastructure: Railroads connect most major cities and major mining towns. A canal system in Mesopotamia and Irrigation system has increased fertility and production there. Roads do exist, but most national travel is by rail road. The Tehran-Tbilisi-Mashhad Line is the main line in the nation.
Imports & Exports: Imports: Textiles, Advanced Machined Components Exports: Raw Materials, Manufactured Goods, Foodstuffs, Oil, Petrochemicals
Currency: Denatus, a gold coin roughly the size of a US Quarter. The value is pegged to the value of the gold inside. The Silver Denatus is not pegged to silver, but rather to the Gold Denatus. Banknotes for X Denati are issued and can be redeemed for the same value in gold or Denati.

History:
Pre-Imperial Era

65AD - The Church of the East spreads into Persia
101AD - The Church has gained a large following, and the Persians, eager to weaken Christianity and the West, allow them autonomy in a small northern village called Tehran.
317AD - The Ecclesiastical Diocese of Tehran becomes the Patriarchy of Tehran.
466AD - Nestorians flee to Tehran for asylum from the condemning Latin Church
523AD - Nestorian Christianity and the Church of the East merge into the Nestorian Church of the East. Tehran is renamed Nestorius, Nestorius' son Nestor declaring himself Prince of the Nestoria and Patriarch of Nestorius.

Imperial Era-

525AD - Civil War erupts in the Sassanid Empire. The Ecclesiastical Diocese of Nestorius declares independence, and with the significant christian majority and Nestorian Plurality in the north, manages to hold off both sides.
526-535 - The newly christened Nestorian Empire holds off the war torn Sassanids.
536 - Sassanids collapse, dozens of small kingdoms arise in their place.
540-580 The Nestorian Empire slowly expands north into Georgia and Immenti.
595 - Nestori II dies without a heir, Civil War ensues between the Eastern Rite Nestorians(Nestorians who merged with the Eastern Church and believe the Patriarch can be anyone of Nestorius Family) and the Old Nestorians(Who believe that only Nestor's direct male descendant can be Patriarch)
599 - Eastern Rite Nestorians win, Old Rite's die out. Yusuf Nestoxi becomes Patriarch, he is from a Cadet Branch and of both Latin/Byzantine and Sassanid descent.
615 - Conquest of Qom
750 - First Islamic-Nestorian War ends with Nestorian defeat at Ectabana
750 -1150 - Islamic Nestorian Wars end with the Siege of Basra and Sack of Mecca. Islam is split politically between India and Anatolia/Arabia. Seljuks raided and migrated in the ensuring chaos in the mid 1000's.
1200-1300 Mongol Invasions. Southern Persia is conquered, along with Oriental Sassania. The Nestorians hold the Mongols at the Qom in the south and at Tbilisi to the North.
1334 - The subsequent Mongol collapse and resurgence of islam leads to a series of new conflicts. By this time, Nestorianism and Islam have all but dominated the area.
1350-1460 Second Islamic-Nestorian Wars. The Nestorian Empire takes Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain,and Qatar. Ends with the Ottomans shifting attention to Europe and Nestoria shifting attentions to the East.
1489 - Nestor Maxis III, nephew of the current Patriarch, is killed in Istanbul by thugs. Pure coincidence, but it sours relations between the Empires.
1550 - Islamic Revolt in Southern Sassania. Put down brutally.
1650-1750 - A series of wars with Arabia, mostly victories for Nestoria.
1764 - Conquest of Crimea
1801 - Industrial Revolution
1810 - Rebellion in Pakila. Put down.
1865 - Conquest of Smikhanate.
1872 - Launch of the first battleship, the HNESS Nestorius
Miscellaneous: All Hail Nestor
RP Example: NI
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[Valentir]

Dafuq is going on now?

People are complaining about chlorine gas.


If someone finds a realistic way to introduce it, I'm pretty sure the governments of imperialist Western Europe are going to be perfectly happy to use it to bomb "those bloody kaffirs" into submission, or use it on one another if war gets moving.

Speaking of which, are we going to have a war between the European Great Powers, or is it just going Europe happily getting along and ganging up on everyone else?
I feel like Portugal and Britain and Francia and the Netherlands should not be nearly so friendly.

Okay, one, I'm not a great power, and two, I'm not friendly with any of those people.

[Kryskov]

If someone finds a realistic way to introduce it, I'm pretty sure the governments of imperialist Western Europe are going to be perfectly happy to use it to bomb "those bloody kaffirs" into submission, or use it on one another if war gets moving.

Probably not bc it's a really really tricky gas that is easy to defeat.

inbb4 hypocrisy: I want to outlaw all chemical weapons, not just chlorine. For the principle.

[Valentir]

This issue of chlorine gas does present an issue to Brazil. Hmm, what to do, what to do

Use it against the Argentines!

Also, hey Hannover!

[Sabara]

Glitter/Neo, would you all be interested in a conference dedicated to the security of the Italian peninsula/Mediterranean?

[Marsisian]

Glitter/Neo, would you all be interested in a conference dedicated to the security of the Italian peninsula/Mediterranean?

Sabara, have you made the Vetterli rifle in this timeline? I really want to use it as my primary rifle.

[Sabara]

Glitter/Neo, would you all be interested in a conference dedicated to the security of the Italian peninsula/Mediterranean?

Sabara, have you made the Vetterli rifle in this timeline? I really want to use it as my primary rifle.

Definitely - most Swiss inventions remained the same in this timeline as in RL.

[Marsisian]

Sabara, have you made the Vetterli rifle in this timeline? I really want to use it as my primary rifle.

Definitely - most Swiss inventions remained the same in this timeline as in RL.

Okay, good.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Glitter/Neo, would you all be interested in a conference dedicated to the security of the Italian peninsula/Mediterranean?

Yes, I would. But we should wait until Al makes the NPC Italian states. I think he might be making some super tiny ones if no one claims the unclaimed areas of Northern Italy. Essentially we can divide them into respective spheres of influence at the conference if we like. I think the Swiss would prefer to ensure Italy is forever disunited just as much as I would.

Personal request let's not invite Greece c:

[Greater Mobile]

I don't have any strong opinions about chemical warfare.

Asking Alaska it's opinion on chemical warfare is like asking Somalia's opinion on nuclear warheads

[Sabara]

Glitter/Neo, would you all be interested in a conference dedicated to the security of the Italian peninsula/Mediterranean?

Yes, I would. But we should wait until Al makes the NPC Italian states. I think he might be making some super tiny ones if no one claims the unclaimed areas of Northern Italy. Essentially we can divide them into respective spheres of influence at the conference if we like. I think the Swiss would prefer to ensure Italy is forever disunited just as much as I would.

Personal request let's not invite Greece c:

At this point it's going to be pretty hard for Italy to unite, as Aragon/Switzerland are too influential on the peninsula for anything serious to happen.

Why not Greece? If all of us band together, I'm sure it would be a good counterbalance to France. c:

[Senkaku]

Well, however things go, the Mongols will probably end up buying whatever type of chemical weapon gets sold. And if none get made, well... Like I said, we may have to do things the old-fashioned way. Or buy some Maxim guns.