Vashta Nerada wrote:You asked for proof and I gave it to you. Either accept it or don't.
Both male/female and man/woman apply to both constructs, sex and gender.
Denying so is silly. Because gender came centuries after them.
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by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:14 pm
Vashta Nerada wrote:You asked for proof and I gave it to you. Either accept it or don't.
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:15 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Simply Tyrone wrote:So, you're saying that language is powerful, yet you replace it with numbers?
1, 2, A, B and C are actually nouns-adjectives not coined yet.Murkwood wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:15 pm
Murkwood wrote:Most people aren't extreme radical SJWs who dedicate their lives to making sure no one could possibly be offended.
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:16 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:17 pm
Simply Tyrone wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1, 2, A, B and C are actually nouns-adjectives not coined yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
That is really, really stupid. In arithmetic class, if you're idea ever gets "coined" saying one will now mean male.
Are you kidding me?
by Immoren » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:17 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Kanaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:18 pm
Murkwood wrote:Kanaria wrote:Doesn't seem relevant to me...
Her family was a bunch of shitheads. I don't care if I seem hateful right now, because sometimes one has to fight fire with fire. They should have respected her identity.
Our brains could do that, but they can also learn a language called Ithkuil which does not use the grammatical structures common to most, if not all, human languages. Or a conlang I made called Ghibalbian.
(The point here being that switching the terminology, or adding more terms, in the situations where "male" and "female" would be used in biology, is introducing a new and complicated system. Then again, Finnish and Hungarian exist.)
Also, HetRio, am I reading it correctly that those two words in Spanish and Portuguese do not exactly mean "woman" anymore? I get that they're sexist terms but beyond that, what do they mean?
If I was a parent, I would've done the same thing.
Murkwood wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1. prove it
2. how is that not a way to misgender people by claiming "but biology!"?
1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2
3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C
6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female
Got it?
That's a huge overreaction to make sure we don't offend an extremely small minority.
Thank God SJWs will never be put in any position of power.
by Vashta Nerada » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:18 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:WestRedMaple wrote:Female and male refer to sex, not gender, so they aren't really examples of what you describe.
1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2
3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C
6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female
Got it?
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:20 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Simply Tyrone wrote:
That is really, really stupid. In arithmetic class, if you're idea ever gets "coined" saying one will now mean male.
Are you kidding me?
1 is dirkdork (potentially dirkudourky as an adjective), 2 is loolalee (potentially loorlalicia as an adjective), A is boingboing, B is wumwoomwon and C is quaqueky
Got it?
by Spoder » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:20 pm
Vashta Nerada wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2
3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C
6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female
Got it?
The fact that we have a group of people whining over the feelings of an incredibly tiny and almost insignificant fraction of the population shows that they have nothing better to do with their time. Instead of focusing their energies into fighting real injustices such as the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Syria, the hundreds of millions of people starving right now, and the fact that the government openly spies on its citizens and its politicians accept bribes in the form of "lobbying", we're watching people cry over the fact that a man would had his genitals ripped apart to be something that he wasn't buried as a man. The global definition of sex and gender is what it is, and it is the most logical way we know of. I'm not going to recognize seven different nouns to refer to some animal just because someone believe it has no "gender" in the traditional sense. It's wasteful and pointless.
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:20 pm
Vashta Nerada wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2
3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C
6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female
Got it?
The fact that we have a group of people whining over the feelings of an incredibly tiny and almost insignificant fraction of the population shows that they have nothing better to do with their time. Instead of focusing their energies into fighting real injustices such as the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Syria, the hundreds of millions of people starving right now, and the fact that the government openly spies on its citizens and its politicians accept bribes in the form of "lobbying", we're watching people cry over the fact that a man would had his genitals ripped apart to be something that he wasn't buried as a man. The global definition of sex and gender is what it is, and it is the most logical way we know of. I'm not going to recognize seven different nouns to refer to some animal just because someone believe it has no "gender" in the traditional sense. It's wasteful and pointless.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:21 pm
Simply Tyrone wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1 is dirkdork (potentially dirkudourky as an adjective), 2 is loolalee (potentially loorlalicia as an adjective), A is boingboing, B is wumwoomwon and C is quaqueky
Got it?
Then why can't you call them that without having a number as the primary label?
by Tlik » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:21 pm
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:22 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Spoder wrote:Prove it is tiny and insignificant.
Tell me in what fucking situation saying "shut up, others have it worse" is acceptable.
Tell me why the fuck you're so against not generalizing the entire population.
Please, because I have a hard time understanding this twisted logic.
by Kanaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Simply Tyrone wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1, 2, A, B and C are actually nouns-adjectives not coined yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
That is really, really stupid. In arithmetic class, if you're idea ever gets "coined" saying one will now mean male.
Are you kidding me?
Vashta Nerada wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:1. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of testes 1
2. Call humans and animals who have a body typical of ovaries 2
3. Call animals who have a body who cannot bear a litter for the lack of an uterus A
4. Call animals who have a body with a functioning uterus B
5. Call animals who have an ambiguous body between 1 and 2 with a non-functioning uterus C
6. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid boys and men "males", following gender identity
7. Call only human and complex cognizant humanoid girls and women "females", following gender identity
8. Don't refer to non-binary people who aren't boys/guys/men or girls/ladies/women in any way as either male or female
9. Don't refer to people who are still in the womb or who can't speak for themselves yet male or female, just "1" or "2".
10. Don't refer to animals as male or female
Got it?
The fact that we have a group of people whining over the feelings of an incredibly tiny and almost insignificant fraction of the population shows that they have nothing better to do with their time. Instead of focusing their energies into fighting real injustices such as the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Syria, the hundreds of millions of people starving right now, and the fact that the government openly spies on its citizens and its politicians accept bribes in the form of "lobbying", we're watching people cry over the fact that a man would had his genitals ripped apart to be something that he wasn't buried as a man. The global definition of sex and gender is what it is, and it is the most logical way we know of. I'm not going to recognize seven different nouns to refer to some animal just because someone believe it has no "gender" in the traditional sense. It's wasteful and pointless.
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Spoder wrote:Vashta Nerada wrote:The fact that we have a group of people whining over the feelings of an incredibly tiny and almost insignificant fraction of the population shows that they have nothing better to do with their time. Instead of focusing their energies into fighting real injustices such as the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Syria, the hundreds of millions of people starving right now, and the fact that the government openly spies on its citizens and its politicians accept bribes in the form of "lobbying", we're watching people cry over the fact that a man would had his genitals ripped apart to be something that he wasn't buried as a man. The global definition of sex and gender is what it is, and it is the most logical way we know of. I'm not going to recognize seven different nouns to refer to some animal just because someone believe it has no "gender" in the traditional sense. It's wasteful and pointless.
Prove it is tiny and insignificant.
Tell me in what fucking situation saying "shut up, others have it worse" is acceptable.
Tell me why the fuck you're so against not generalizing the entire population.
Please, because I have a hard time understanding this twisted logic.
by Immoren » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Kanaria wrote:Murkwood wrote:If I was a parent, I would've done the same thing.
I guess so.
Though I wonder if you see being a transgender person as a mental disorder. To me, that's the more pressing thing.Murkwood wrote:That's a huge overreaction to make sure we don't offend an extremely small minority.
Thank God SJWs will never be put in any position of power.
That doesn't seem very hard. Of course, I don't see it being followed to the letter but it's the spirit of the law that counts.Immoren wrote:Suomi mainittu torilla tavataan.
I cannot speak Finnish. Nor can I copy and paste that into Google Translate right now cos my Xbox won't let me. Could you tell me what that means? Does it involve Finland?
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:24 pm
Kanaria wrote:Simply Tyrone wrote:
That is really, really stupid. In arithmetic class, if you're idea ever gets "coined" saying one will now mean male.
Are you kidding me?
Words have more than one sense. Here, "1" is of a different sense than it is in a math class.Vashta Nerada wrote:The fact that we have a group of people whining over the feelings of an incredibly tiny and almost insignificant fraction of the population shows that they have nothing better to do with their time. Instead of focusing their energies into fighting real injustices such as the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Syria, the hundreds of millions of people starving right now, and the fact that the government openly spies on its citizens and its politicians accept bribes in the form of "lobbying", we're watching people cry over the fact that a man would had his genitals ripped apart to be something that he wasn't buried as a man. The global definition of sex and gender is what it is, and it is the most logical way we know of. I'm not going to recognize seven different nouns to refer to some animal just because someone believe it has no "gender" in the traditional sense. It's wasteful and pointless.
Dependent on the time and place, some problems are bigger than others.
And let's not treat them like they have to be attacked one at a time. We're not the mooks of some stereotypical TV/film villain who just run at one here at a time so their buddies can shoot us all.
...
Also, uh...how do you feel about your gender and sex? Does it fit you, or, rather, do you have any problems with said designation?
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:24 pm
Simply Tyrone wrote:Then why can't you use numbers? Oh wait, math.
Why can't you call them male and female?
by Simply Tyrone » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:25 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Simply Tyrone wrote:Then why can't you use numbers? Oh wait, math.
Why can't you call them male and female?
Can't you read? I proposed new words that don't yet exist. Then I gave stereotypical English-sounding onomatopoeias, that are to be replaced by actual new words when the concept is actually applied.
by Spoder » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:25 pm
Simply Tyrone wrote:Spoder wrote:Prove it is tiny and insignificant.
Tell me in what fucking situation saying "shut up, others have it worse" is acceptable.
Tell me why the fuck you're so against not generalizing the entire population.
Please, because I have a hard time understanding this twisted logic.
I thought not generalizing was a good thing.
Oh, wait.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:25 pm
Simply Tyrone wrote:Five year olds learning their addition won't like that.
by Kanaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:25 pm
Immoren wrote:Kanaria wrote:I guess so.
Though I wonder if you see being a transgender person as a mental disorder. To me, that's the more pressing thing.
That doesn't seem very hard. Of course, I don't see it being followed to the letter but it's the spirit of the law that counts.
I cannot speak Finnish. Nor can I copy and paste that into Google Translate right now cos my Xbox won't let me. Could you tell me what that means? Does it involve Finland?
Roughly "Finland mentioned we'll meet on market square."
It's Finnish inside meme/joke based around how apparently whenever Finland or it's citizens are mentioned outside its borders it's source of news and or celebrations.
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