You seem as self-assured of your own opinion as they do of theirs. Why should we believe you over them?
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by Monkeykind » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:46 am
Ifreann wrote:
Well why should I believe you over them? After all, this committee is made up of "teachers, parents, a principal, librarian and instructional services specialist", and you're just a person on the internet.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:47 am
by Monkeykind » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:49 am
by The New World Oceania » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:34 am
The Black Forrest", p="21 91 2525 wrote:Monkeykind",p="21 91 2520 wrote:
A person on the internet can be anyone.
How do I know you are not an AI!
by Monkeykind » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:27 am
The New World Oceania wrote:The Black Forrest", p="21 91 2525 wrote:
How do I know you are not an AI!
The best thing about Wikipedia is their rule, assume good faith. It seems annoying, having
to assume skatersue666 is in fact a professor of anthropology at Columbia, but even more annoying is when people on NS are willing to contest to and from hell whether or not you attended a middle school in a news story. It happens.
Concerning suggestions that, if we're going to include work egregious as the Fault in Our Stars in school libraries, we should include Fifty Shades of Gray. My answer is the distinction between literature and pornography: one contains sexual content, whereas the other consists, almost entirely, of sexual content.
Even then, who's to say we shouldn't be keeping Fifty Shades of Grayvoff the shelves? We have textbooks on erotic art (maybe this is just an arts school problem), after all.
by Ungodly Darkness » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:20 pm
Monkeykind wrote:Fifty Shades of Grey should be in school libraries.
by The New World Oceania » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:35 pm
by Tzorsland » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:44 pm
by Anglo-California » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:44 pm
by Por » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:56 pm
Tzorsland wrote:I went to high school in 1976. A Catholic High School. Run by Nuns. First book I was required to read was the first book of the "Bicentennial Series" by John James, entitled "The Bastard." There the illegitimate half brother of a French nobleman romps in the hay with his half brother's fiancee, takes her virginity, and gets her pregnant. I'm sure that this school wouldn't approve that book either.
by Mavorpen » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:58 pm
Anglo-California wrote:Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.
by Ungodly Darkness » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:12 pm
Anglo-California wrote:Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.
by The Two Jerseys » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:35 pm
Por wrote:Tzorsland wrote:I went to high school in 1976. A Catholic High School. Run by Nuns. First book I was required to read was the first book of the "Bicentennial Series" by John James, entitled "The Bastard." There the illegitimate half brother of a French nobleman romps in the hay with his half brother's fiancee, takes her virginity, and gets her pregnant. I'm sure that this school wouldn't approve that book either.
The difference being that was high school, this is middle school.
by Coccygia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:59 pm
by Charellia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:59 am
Ungodly Darkness wrote:Anglo-California wrote:Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.
Once again, it surprises me that some school isn't making a fuss over ASoIaF. I mean, it has practically everything the pro-censorship bastards fear...maybe they just think it's too geeky for any "proper kid" to check out?
by The Scientific States » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:02 am
Anglo-California wrote:Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.
by The ISCA » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:09 am
New Frenco Empire wrote:Fault in Our Stars banned for mortality and sexual explicitness?
I assume their library doesn't have ASoIaF on the shelves?
Anglo-California wrote:
by MERIZoC » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:12 am
Ifreann wrote:
Well why should I believe you over them? After all, this committee is made up of "teachers, parents, a principal, librarian and instructional services specialist", and you're just a person on the internet.
by Ifreann » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:13 am
Tzorsland wrote:I went to high school in 1976. A Catholic High School. Run by Nuns. First book I was required to read was the first book of the "Bicentennial Series" by John James, entitled "The Bastard." There the illegitimate half brother of a French nobleman romps in the hay with his half brother's fiancee, takes her virginity, and gets her pregnant. I'm sure that this school wouldn't approve that book either.
Ungodly Darkness wrote:Anglo-California wrote:Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.
Once again, it surprises me that some school isn't making a fuss over ASoIaF. I mean, it has practically everything the pro-censorship bastards fear...maybe they just think it's too geeky for any "proper kid" to check out?
Merizoc wrote:Ifreann wrote:Well why should I believe you over them? After all, this committee is made up of "teachers, parents, a principal, librarian and instructional services specialist", and you're just a person on the internet.
You're still using circular logic. Actually defend your point, please. "They're right because they say so" is not an argument.
by MERIZoC » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:19 am
Ifreann wrote:Merizoc wrote:You're still using circular logic. Actually defend your point, please. "They're right because they say so" is not an argument.
I'm not saying that they are right because they say so. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept their assessment over yours because they have relevant experience and expertise and as far as I know you do not. Now if you would like to defend your point by perhaps offering some reason why we should give credence to your assessment of the book, I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear it.
by Ifreann » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:32 am
Merizoc wrote:Ifreann wrote:
I'm not saying that they are right because they say so. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept their assessment over yours because they have relevant experience and expertise and as far as I know you do not. Now if you would like to defend your point by perhaps offering some reason why we should give credence to your assessment of the book, I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear it.
Ah. So I have to have some title to be able to properly offer my opinions on the matter. The reasoning I use simply isn't enough.
Surely we should trust a bunch of prude parents to make the right decision. After all: they are authority figures.
by MERIZoC » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:34 am
Ifreann wrote:Merizoc wrote:Ah. So I have to have some title to be able to properly offer my opinions on the matter. The reasoning I use simply isn't enough.
You haven't used any reasoning. You have simply declared, and I quote, "The sex scenes are really not that explicit. Middle schoolers can handle it. They've had health class." Why should I take you to be right and this committee to be wrong? They are parents and teachers, who are you? They know these middle schoolers and whether they have had health class and what it covered, do you?Surely we should trust a bunch of prude parents to make the right decision. After all: they are authority figures.
What makes you think they're prudes? Defend your point. "I'm right because I say so" is not an argument.
by Mavorpen » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:36 am
Merizoc wrote:Ifreann wrote:You haven't used any reasoning. You have simply declared, and I quote, "The sex scenes are really not that explicit. Middle schoolers can handle it. They've had health class." Why should I take you to be right and this committee to be wrong? They are parents and teachers, who are you? They know these middle schoolers and whether they have had health class and what it covered, do you?
What makes you think they're prudes? Defend your point. "I'm right because I say so" is not an argument.
And why can't they handle it? What's so bad about it?
I think they're prudes because they've banned a mildly explicit book.
by MERIZoC » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:01 pm
Mavorpen wrote:Merizoc wrote:And why can't they handle it? What's so bad about it?
I think they're prudes because they've banned a mildly explicit book.
So then they're not prudes? Because they didn't ban it. They removed it from the library. They aren't going on a witch hunt and setting up checkpoints that you have to pass through where they check your bags and stuff for the book.
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