Yes.
"No communist supports neoliberal policies."
"I am a communist, and I support neoliberal policies."
"Well, no true communist supports neoliberal policies."
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by The Liberated Territories » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:14 pm
by The Orson Empire » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:15 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:Climate denial is just silly.
Even if we all turned out to be wrong, and the environment was doing perfectly fine, is a car-dependent culture that is dependent foreign oil that's going to run out eventually, polluted cities, oil spills, water pollution, etc, really worth it?
by Threlizdun » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:18 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Olivaero wrote:If fucking Mitt Romney claimed to be a communist and came up with some bullshit about how his policies ultimately were derived from Marxism would Communists decrying him as not a communist be committing a no true Scotsman?
Yes.
"No communist supports neoliberal policies."
"I am a communist, and I support neoliberal policies."
"Well, no true communist supports neoliberal policies."
by Corrian » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:19 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Unfortunately, Humans are notorious for not learning from their past mistakes, so we will probably wait until the last minute, when we completely exhaust the Earth's supply of oil, to do something about it.
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:19 pm
Threlizdun wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:
Yes.
"No communist supports neoliberal policies."
"I am a communist, and I support neoliberal policies."
"Well, no true communist supports neoliberal policies."
The fact that you pretend the word doesn't have a meaning doesn't make it true no matter how desperately you try.
by Tubbsalot » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:21 pm
by Olivaero » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:25 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Threlizdun wrote:The fact that you pretend the word doesn't have a meaning doesn't make it true no matter how desperately you try.
No words have inherit meaning.
If all the communists in the world were to adopt neoliberal policies, would they still be communists? What if it becomes accepted?
The meaning to collectively held ideas are not static.
by Grenartia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:26 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Olivaero wrote:If fucking Mitt Romney claimed to be a communist and came up with some bullshit about how his policies ultimately were derived from Marxism would Communists decrying him as not a communist be committing a no true Scotsman?
Yes.
"No communist supports neoliberal policies."
"I am a communist, and I support neoliberal policies."
"Well, no true communist supports neoliberal policies."
by Threlizdun » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:27 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Threlizdun wrote:The fact that you pretend the word doesn't have a meaning doesn't make it true no matter how desperately you try.
No words have inherit meaning.
If all the communists in the world were to adopt neoliberal policies, would they still be communists? What if it becomes accepted?
The meaning to collectively held ideas are not static.
by Grenartia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:28 pm
Olivaero wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:
No words have inherit meaning.
If all the communists in the world were to adopt neoliberal policies, would they still be communists? What if it becomes accepted?
The meaning to collectively held ideas are not static.
We need words to have meaning though to communicate effectively. They don't have inherent meaning but an agreement of definitions is essential to hold a conversation.
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:29 pm
by The Orson Empire » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:31 pm
Corrian wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:Unfortunately, Humans are notorious for not learning from their past mistakes, so we will probably wait until the last minute, when we completely exhaust the Earth's supply of oil, to do something about it.
Which by then I expect it would probably be too late to do anything, anyway...If we haven't destroyed our livable world by then already. Especially since getting more oil requires destroying more land which helps lead to more climate change...
by Senyosu » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:33 pm
by Grenartia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:34 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Words have meaning. When X and Y are mutually exclusive, you can't be X AND Y.
Only through association.
One word can mean something totally different to another person in a different area, or different time period.
The word "liberal" for example, can mean something different to Americans than it does to Europeans.
So therefore, universally, liberal - or anything - can potentially be X and Y.
by Threlizdun » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:34 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Words have meaning. When X and Y are mutually exclusive, you can't be X AND Y.
Only through association.
One word can mean something totally different to another person in a different area, or different time period.
The word "liberal" for example, can mean something different to Americans than it does to Europeans.
So therefore, universally, liberal - or anything - can potentially be X and Y.
by Solaray » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:36 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Corrian wrote:Which by then I expect it would probably be too late to do anything, anyway...If we haven't destroyed our livable world by then already. Especially since getting more oil requires destroying more land which helps lead to more climate change...
Well, it has been predicted that Humans will have destroyed themselves within the next 100-1000 years. If we have managed to avoid an all-out nuclear war, then this is what will get us if we are not prepared. Seeing as oil is what allows us to have electricity, after we exhaust the supply of oil, governments around the world would not be able to sustain themselves, and thus they would collapse, sending Humans back into the Dark Ages.
by Blackwing Coast » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:36 pm
by Olivaero » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:36 pm
Grenartia wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:
Only through association.
One word can mean something totally different to another person in a different area, or different time period.
The word "liberal" for example, can mean something different to Americans than it does to Europeans.
So therefore, universally, liberal - or anything - can potentially be X and Y.
While all the statements are technically true, your conclusion amounts to little more than saying language is useless. Its like saying "Because 2+2=4, goats are toasters".
I think we can safely dismiss your thoughts as being bullshit, now.
by Nervium » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:38 pm
Senyosu wrote:And again, while capitalism is the culprit, it is also the current most effective remedy to the problem. That, and an educated public.
by Tubbsalot » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:38 pm
Blackwing Coast wrote:By now even the governments are waking up and switching to renewables (China has reduced its coal imports!)
by Atlanticatia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:39 pm
by The Orson Empire » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:39 pm
Solaray wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:Well, it has been predicted that Humans will have destroyed themselves within the next 100-1000 years. If we have managed to avoid an all-out nuclear war, then this is what will get us if we are not prepared. Seeing as oil is what allows us to have electricity, after we exhaust the supply of oil, governments around the world would not be able to sustain themselves, and thus they would collapse, sending Humans back into the Dark Ages.
We just need to get our shit together and start investing into nuclear juice.
by Senyosu » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:41 pm
Nervium wrote:Senyosu wrote:And again, while capitalism is the culprit, it is also the current most effective remedy to the problem. That, and an educated public.
Yes.
Wait... No. No, no, no, that would mean oil sheiks and barons will just say "oh you know what, this green energy stuff and electric cars, that's alright, go ahead, I don't need anymore money" something that never will happen in this climate. (Pun intended)
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