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by The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:45 pm
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by Constantinopolis » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:11 pm
Arkolon wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:The reason there's less war is mainly because there's less reason to, you know, go to war. I mean, things have kind of settled from the world-wide power vacuum left by the Napoleonic Wars.
The whole globalised, inter-connected capitalist economy helped quite a bit, too.
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by The Sotoan Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:20 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:War has existed for as long as Humans have existed, and it will never go away. War is simply apart of Human nature. However, the reason there have been no wars between major powers ever since WW2 is because of the threat of mutually assured destruction (MAD) due to the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
Had nuclear weapons never been invented, the chances of the United States and the Soviet Union starting WW3 during the Cold War would be much more likely.
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by Syonanto » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:51 pm
by The Sotoan Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:57 pm
Syonanto wrote:As Depeche Mode said, people are people. I don't think as a species we are significantly "nicer" or "less nice" than we were when we started keeping track of events thousands of years ago. The idea that we are collectively marching ourselves toward utopia (or, on the flip side of things, marching ourselves toward apocalypse) is a myth, albeit one of the most popular myths of our age.
by Syonanto » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:41 pm
The Sotoan Union wrote:Syonanto wrote:As Depeche Mode said, people are people. I don't think as a species we are significantly "nicer" or "less nice" than we were when we started keeping track of events thousands of years ago. The idea that we are collectively marching ourselves toward utopia (or, on the flip side of things, marching ourselves toward apocalypse) is a myth, albeit one of the most popular myths of our age.
To that end, is the idea of a dystopia also a myth?
The Sotoan Union wrote:And if you don't think humans are becoming nicer, do you think that something has altered the way we behave?
by The Sotoan Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:20 pm
Syonanto wrote:The Sotoan Union wrote:To that end, is the idea of a dystopia also a myth?
Of course it is. Utopia literally means "no place". A dystopia is a dysfunctional utopia.
This is not to imply that myths don't have their uses. However, they can also outlive that usefulness, or be taken as something more concrete than what they are.The Sotoan Union wrote:And if you don't think humans are becoming nicer, do you think that something has altered the way we behave?
No. I think we are behaving as we have always behaved since our species came on the scene; there has been technological and social innovation, but no moral progression.
by The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:30 pm
The Sotoan Union wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:War has existed for as long as Humans have existed, and it will never go away. War is simply apart of Human nature. However, the reason there have been no wars between major powers ever since WW2 is because of the threat of mutually assured destruction (MAD) due to the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
Had nuclear weapons never been invented, the chances of the United States and the Soviet Union starting WW3 during the Cold War would be much more likely.
You and I think a lot of other people aren't reading the whole thing. Sure wars are still around. But why are war crimes a thing now? Why has genocide become unnaccaptable? Why do people view wars as things that need to be avoided rather than glorious tests of manhood? Answer these questions.
by The Sotoan Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:33 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:The Sotoan Union wrote:You and I think a lot of other people aren't reading the whole thing. Sure wars are still around. But why are war crimes a thing now? Why has genocide become unnaccaptable? Why do people view wars as things that need to be avoided rather than glorious tests of manhood? Answer these questions.
What we consider to be moral and immoral changes over time as different cultures become dominant. Nevertheless, that does not change the fact that wars and atrocities still happen.
by The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:36 pm
by Des-Bal » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:37 pm
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Mindset: Logos
by Des-Bal » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:37 pm
The Sotoan Union wrote:But they've gotten significantly less, well, atrocious.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by The Sotoan Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:39 pm
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by Costa Fierro » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:41 pm
by The Sotoan Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:43 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:I don't think people are becoming "nicer". The reason why there are not that many wars these days is because a lot more people are going to be affected by them than previously through globalization.
Society, at least in the technologically driven first world countries, is becoming increasingly more narcissistic. Also, tolerance of homosexuality is not so much people becoming nicer but people being exposed more and more to homosexuals and such and generally not giving two shits about what people do in the privacy of their own homes.
by Des-Bal » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:51 pm
The Sotoan Union wrote:I would say modern war has gotten more productive.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by The Sotoan Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:54 pm
Des-Bal wrote:The Sotoan Union wrote:I would say modern war has gotten more productive.
No, it really hasn't. See it used to be two states fight and one benefits and the net result is increased state capacity. Now the way it works is multiple groups fight, nothing is won, states remain weak. The Third World is trapped in a cycle of perpetual weakness and the result if unimaginable human suffering.
by Des-Bal » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:59 pm
The Sotoan Union wrote:The third world is stuck in a cycle of insurrections and civil wars more than it is conventional wars against other nations. No one ever benefits from that. This all comes from instability, which is more from poverty and certain historical events then anything else. War is just a symptom.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
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