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by Frustrated Franciscans » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:18 am
Ardchoille wrote:Re the legality challenges based on National Economic Freedoms: the player met the technical requirements of that Resolution by describing the hazards of soil depletion. Whether he met the GA's requirements is a call for the GA to make (which you appear to be doing rather emphatically).
by Araraukar » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:08 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Luxembourgers » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:45 pm
by Araraukar » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:55 pm
Luxembourgers wrote:and from now on I will take these forums more seriously.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Wrapper » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:57 pm
Araraukar wrote:Also, drop your ambassador into the Strangers' Bar at some point; the only thing taken seriously there, are the drinks.
by Annadelle » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:11 pm
by The Eternal Kawaii » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:12 pm
Luxembourgers wrote:Dear all,
I wish to tell you that I realize the impending fate of my resolution. It will be defeated. I know, and if it isn't it will be repealed. I submitted it too early and I admit that. After the proposal is defeated, I plan to write another draft to solve the numerous problems that have arisen over the elapsed time post-ceding the early submission. I apologize for the mistake I made, and from now on I will take these forums more seriously.
Yours,
Luxembourgers
by Chester Pearson » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:35 pm
Araraukar wrote:Luxembourgers wrote:and from now on I will take these forums more seriously.
OOC: Don't take them entirely seriously - taking Chester seriously led you to submitting too early - but do take into account the fact that the in-character multiverse is a much more varied place than the little ball of iron and mud we call Earth.
Also, drop your ambassador into the Strangers' Bar at some point; the only thing taken seriously there, are the drinks.
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by Ardchoille » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:59 pm
The Dark Star Republic wrote:It doesn't wipe out an entire category, like UNSA didn't wipe out the Global Disarmament category.
by Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:09 pm
Luxembourgers wrote:The following proposal is up for consideration:Fertile Farmland Protection Act
Council: General Assembly
Category: Environmental
Industry effected: Agriculture
NOTING that most -- if not all -- WA States rely heavily on professional farmers to grow crops through agricultural means, and deeming it necessary for agriculture to remain intact having realized the benefits to the farmers, the economy, and international trade, but
REALIZING that when the same crop is planted in the same field too frequently, it rapidly depletes necessary nutrients from the soil, causing the soil to become infertile and unable to continue to produce enough crops to benefit anyone,
RELUCTANTLY AWARE that whenever a fertile field is destroyed by any means, a portion of similarly sized area of forest must be deforested in order to replace that field,
BELIEVING it is necessary for fertile farmland to be protected, this resolution hereby:1. DEFINES a "professional farmer" as a person who is a farmer, planter, or gardener by profession, and farms at least one acre of farmland,
2. RESTRICTS professional farmers from planting the same crop in the same field in back-to-back growing seasons so that fertile farmland might be preserved,
3. ADVISES professional farmers to alternate crops so that a perfectly good field does not go unused,
4. ESTABLISHES the World Assembly Agricultural Association (WAAA) to oversee a agricultural communities and enforce the given guidelines, and
5. STRONGLY ENCOURAGES the World Assembly Forest Commission to consider creating restrictions on the number of acres that can be deforested for agricultural purposes in a given area.NOTING that most -- if not all -- WA States rely heavily on farmers to grow crops through agricultural means, and deeming it necessary for agriculture to remain intact having realized the benefits to the farmers, the economy, and international trade, but
REALIZING that when the same crop is planted in the same field too frequently, it rapidly depletes necessary nutrients from the soil, causing the soil to become infertile and unable to continue to produce enough crops to benefit anyone,
RELUCTANTLY AWARE that whenever a fertile field is destroyed by any means, a portion of similarly sized area of forest must be deforested in order to replace that field,
BELIEVING it is necessary for fertile farmland to be protected, this resolution hereby:1. RESTRICTS farmers from planting the same crop in the same field in back-to-back growing seasons so that fertile farmland might be preserved,
2. ADVISES farmers to alternate crops so that a perfectly good field does not go unused,
3. ESTABLISHES the World Assembly Agricultural Association (WAAA) to oversee a agricultural communities and enforce the given guidelines, and
4. STRONGLY ENCOURAGES the World Assembly Forest Commission (created by GAR #291) to consider creating restrictions on the number of acres that can be deforested for agricultural purposes in a given area.
Questions? Concerns? Please leave your comments below. Thanks!
by Frustrated Franciscans » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:37 am
Araraukar wrote:But as this proposal would still make things like orchards or vinyards impossible, I'm fairly confident it'll die a natural death. Maybe then the author will look at feedback provided and ignore Chester long enough to improve on the draft.
by Polonia Overlordship » Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:53 am
by Frustrated Franciscans » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:05 am
Ardchoille wrote:EDIT: @ the Franciscans: strength was discussed, but we are generally reluctant to remove a proposal on strength alone except in extreme disjunction. While discussing it, the mods noted that we don't actually have anything in the category description that conveys the common theory that this category's effects are Significant to Strong. The admins fiddled with some of the stats slightly at the same time as they gave us the new Health category, so we're currently checking details, and one of us will write it up when we confirm. (The proposal argues that soil degradation is happening throughout the Multiverse, and that crop rotation will fix it, so the author's stance would presumably be that the strength fits. This is the sort of thing that should have been sorted out in drafting.)
by Nucoclan » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:25 am
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:Ardchoille wrote:EDIT: @ the Franciscans: strength was discussed, but we are generally reluctant to remove a proposal on strength alone except in extreme disjunction. While discussing it, the mods noted that we don't actually have anything in the category description that conveys the common theory that this category's effects are Significant to Strong. The admins fiddled with some of the stats slightly at the same time as they gave us the new Health category, so we're currently checking details, and one of us will write it up when we confirm. (The proposal argues that soil degradation is happening throughout the Multiverse, and that crop rotation will fix it, so the author's stance would presumably be that the strength fits. This is the sort of thing that should have been sorted out in drafting.)
I agree, I don't think this is enough to give a MODLY veto to, but it's a rather disturbing trend that has been going on for ages with regards to writing resolutions to category and strength. Technically the resolution description is "A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry." So the first question that comes up in my mind his, "how is agriculture negatively impacted by this resolution." Well, it's not. This is a win/win for agriculture. So the question is whether the "STRONGLY ENCOURAGES" clause (which is weak at best) even offsets the advantage to the industry by using crop rotation. I don't think it does, so this is still a win/win for the industry.
Except that's not what is going to happen. The industry will be impacted. A little or a lot isn't the issue here, but it will be impacted and impacted negatively. That's what annoys me.
by Burtonia WA Embassy » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:43 am
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:So the first question that comes up in my mind his, "how is agriculture negatively impacted by this resolution." Well, it's not. This is a win/win for agriculture.
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by The Shadow Brotherhood » Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:08 pm
by The Dark Star Republic » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:57 pm
by Nordenwald » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:50 am
Wrapper wrote:Luxembourgers wrote:Of course I am interested in drafting an effective proposal! Maybe you don't like it, but after 1 hour, I already have 1/6 of the approvals I need, so apparently some people do.
Yeah... from the Approve Everything BrigadeTM, a couple raider puppet nations, and Ambassador Pearson, who would love to see this come to vote and fail in record-breaking fashion, no doubt.
Smithdown and Wavertree wrote:Ron Paul was ordained by God to lead humanity into a golden age of prosperity and space travel and you spat it back in the face of the divine
you could have listened, you had a chance
by Normlpeople » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:08 am
Nordenwald wrote:-Who is the Approve Everything BrigadeTM?
-And Chester Pearson, while a certainly am not a 'regular' in GA, I feel like I should start using your policy as well (pissing and all).
[/quote]-Needless to say, FIRMLY AGAINST.
by Nordenwald » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:32 am
Normlpeople wrote:Nordenwald wrote:-Who is the Approve Everything BrigadeTM?
OOC: Also known as the rubber stamp brigade, they are a group that approves literally every proposal, without reading it, illegal or not. There is a sub-group of this that will approve any proposal in certain categories without exception.
-And Chester Pearson, while a certainly am not a 'regular' in GA, I feel like I should start using your policy as well (pissing and all).
-Needless to say, FIRMLY AGAINST.
IC: Clover stands "While its pointless to say it given the vote count, I agree with your position on this draft"
Smithdown and Wavertree wrote:Ron Paul was ordained by God to lead humanity into a golden age of prosperity and space travel and you spat it back in the face of the divine
you could have listened, you had a chance
by Chester Pearson » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:03 pm
Fertile Farmland Protection" was defeated 6,237 votes to 2,793
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by Luxembourgers » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:52 am
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