This is the hitcher.... if someone outright lies and perjures themselves and it comes out.... yes charge them..... an allegation which merely lacks enough proof to sustain a conviction, no.
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by Tekania » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:56 pm
by Napkiraly » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:04 pm
Tekania wrote:Caninope wrote:At what point does something go from an unproven allegation to a false allegation?
This is the hitcher.... if someone outright lies and perjures themselves and it comes out.... yes charge them..... an allegation which merely lacks enough proof to sustain a conviction, no.
by Trezchoix » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:05 pm
by Risottia » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:08 pm
The Serbian Empire wrote:This video of a landlady has been circling around certain sites I have frequented as she claims to have been raped and assaulted even though she punched the man who she accused of raping her. So it makes me question if false allegations of crimes should be charged under the court of law?
My opinion is that false rape allegations are a crime and should be treated as perjury.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:12 pm
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by NFA » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:15 pm
by The 44th Indp Legion » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:16 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Caninope wrote:At what point does something go from an unproven allegation to a false allegation?
According to a widely-circulated study of rape allegations in USAF, in one-quarter of cases, where existing rape allegations are re-analysed and the claimants re-interviewed and confessing the allegation was fabricated.
Important to note is that social mechanics of USAF are not representative of general society.
by Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:18 pm
Wind in the Willows wrote:Yes, anyone who falsely accuses somebody of rape should be arrested and charged. It really does concern me that a female can ruin a males life by simply saying a few words.
by Ashyaria » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:19 pm
Wind in the Willows wrote:Yes, anyone who falsely accuses somebody of rape should be arrested and charged. It really does concern me that a female can ruin a males life by simply saying a few words.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:20 pm
The 44th Indp Legion wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:According to a widely-circulated study of rape allegations in USAF, in one-quarter of cases, where existing rape allegations are re-analysed and the claimants re-interviewed and confessing the allegation was fabricated.
Important to note is that social mechanics of USAF are not representative of general society.
The UK study I mentioned earlier concluded that most, if not all, withdrawn accusations such as you mention were suspected to done because of social pressure, blackmail ,threats, etc, rather than actual fabrications, to the point where the governament funded research on how to resolve this, since it's a legally complex situation when someone is believed to falsely claim their suspected truthfull allegations were false.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
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by Napkiraly » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:22 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:The 44th Indp Legion wrote:
The UK study I mentioned earlier concluded that most, if not all, withdrawn accusations such as you mention were suspected to done because of social pressure, blackmail ,threats, etc, rather than actual fabrications, to the point where the governament funded research on how to resolve this, since it's a legally complex situation when someone is believed to falsely claim their suspected truthfull allegations were false.
In McDowell's study, the women were presented with a lie detector test. According to accounts of the study, and claims made by McDowell himself, almost all of these false allegations were admitted before either on having failed the lie detector test, or merely by being threatened with the test.
by Farnhamia » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:24 pm
Risottia wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:This video of a landlady has been circling around certain sites I have frequented as she claims to have been raped and assaulted even though she punched the man who she accused of raping her. So it makes me question if false allegations of crimes should be charged under the court of law?
My opinion is that false rape allegations are a crime and should be treated as perjury.
A false allegation of a crime, if knowingly made, is pretty much the definition of calumny, iirc.
by The 44th Indp Legion » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:26 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:The 44th Indp Legion wrote:
The UK study I mentioned earlier concluded that most, if not all, withdrawn accusations such as you mention were suspected to done because of social pressure, blackmail ,threats, etc, rather than actual fabrications, to the point where the governament funded research on how to resolve this, since it's a legally complex situation when someone is believed to falsely claim their suspected truthfull allegations were false.
In McDowell's study, the women were presented with a lie detector test. According to accounts of the study, and claims made by McDowell himself, almost all of these false allegations were admitted before either on having failed the lie detector test, or merely by being threatened with the test.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:30 pm
Napkiraly wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:In McDowell's study, the women were presented with a lie detector test. According to accounts of the study, and claims made by McDowell himself, almost all of these false allegations were admitted before either on having failed the lie detector test, or merely by being threatened with the test.
Polygraphs are unreliable.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The 44th Indp Legion » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:47 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Polygraphs are unreliable.
The women had to physically admit, according to most accounts.
They were simply told that they had failed the polygraph, and some women then admitted to falsifying their claims.
Other women, when told they would be subjected to a polygraph, immediately confessed to falsifying claims.
According to accounts and McDowell himself.
by Sociobiology » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:48 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Polygraphs are unreliable.
The women had to physically admit, according to most accounts.
They were simply told that they had failed the polygraph, and some women then admitted to falsifying their claims.
Other women, when told they would be subjected to a polygraph, immediately confessed to falsifying claims.
According to accounts and McDowell himself.
by Sociobiology » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:49 pm
NFA wrote:Absolutely false aqusation of rape should be a crime. Rape is a horrible act and a serious crime, to falsely blame someone of rape is awful in and of itself and therefore should be regarded as a crime.
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by Napkiraly » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:54 pm
Genivaria wrote:I fail to see why such a specific charge is needed, can't you already be sued for libel?
This OP seems to be a bit sexist-ly charged.
by The 44th Indp Legion » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:55 pm
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