And it would if we implement anarchy? People need to drop the idea that anarchy implies a lack of organisation and contract.
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by Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:14 am
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:15 am
Google wrote:an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
"he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil More
antonyms: government, order
absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
by Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:21 am
Ucropi wrote:Unitaristic Regions wrote:
And it would if we implement anarchy? People need to drop the idea that anarchy implies a lack of organisation and contract.
Yeah, where would we get that idea.Google wrote:an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
"he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil More
antonyms: government, order
absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:21 am
Vissegaard wrote:Arkolon wrote:A society that functions governed, or administered, from a decentralised authority that is not a technical state is anarchy. Hierarchy is natural, we should all accept that. Where there is some sort of pure equality without any hierarchy or governing body, well, that's a dream.
Not a dream, a nightmare!
Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:Anarchism could work if everyone wasn't an inherent asshole.
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:21 am
Unitaristic Regions wrote:Ucropi wrote:Yeah, where would we get that idea.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... chyIsChaos
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:24 am
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:30 am
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:31 am
Arkolon wrote:Ucropi wrote:Now an actual source.... Like one I can't edit back
Oh, sorry, you wanted the whole thing?
"Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions,[1][2][3][4] but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][6][7][8] Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[9][10] While anti-statism is central, some argue[11] that anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[6][12][13][14][15][16][17][18]"
- "ANARCHISM, a social philosophy that rejects authoritarian government and maintains that voluntary institutions are best suited to express man's natural social tendencies." George Woodcock. "Anarchism" at The Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"In a society developed on these lines, the voluntary associations which already now begin to cover all the fields of human activity would take a still greater extension so as to substitute themselves for the state in all its functions." Peter Kropotkin. "Anarchism" from the Encyclopædia Britannica- "Anarchism." The Shorter Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 2005. p. 14 "Anarchism is the view that a society without the state, or government, is both possible and desirable."
- Sheehan, Sean. Anarchism, London: Reaktion Books Ltd., 2004. p. 85
"as many anarchists have stressed, it is not government as such that they find objectionable, but the hierarchical forms of government associated with the nation state." Judith Suissa. Anarchism and Education: a Philosophical Perspective. Routledge. New York. 2006. p. 7- "IAF principles". International of Anarchist Federations. Archived from the original on 5 January 2012. "The IAF – IFA fights for : the abolition of all forms of authority whether economical, political, social, religious, cultural or sexual."
- "That is why Anarchy, when it works to destroy authority in all its aspects, when it demands the abrogation of laws and the abolition of the mechanism that serves to impose them, when it refuses all hierarchical organisation and preaches free agreement — at the same time strives to maintain and enlarge the precious kernel of social customs without which no human or animal society can exist." Peter Kropotkin. Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal
- "anarchists are opposed to irrational (e.g., illegitimate) authority, in other words, hierarchy — hierarchy being the institutionalisation of authority within a society." "B.1 Why are anarchists against authority and hierarchy?" in An Anarchist FAQ
- Malatesta, Errico. "Towards Anarchism". MAN! (Los Angeles: International Group of San Francisco). OCLC 3930443. Archived from the original on 7 November 2012. Agrell, Siri (14 May 2007). "Working for The Man". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 16 May 2007.
- Retrieved 14 April 2008. "Anarchism". Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2006. Archived from the original on 14 December 2006. Retrieved 29 August 2006. "Anarchism". The Shorter Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy: 14. 2005. "Anarchism is the view that a society without the state, or government, is both possible and desirable." The following sources cite anarchism as a political philosophy: Mclaughlin, Paul (2007). Anarchism and Authority. Aldershot: Ashgate. p. 59. ISBN 0-7546-6196-2. Johnston, R. (2000). The Dictionary of Human Geography. Cambridge: Blackwell Publishers. p. 24. ISBN 0-631-20561-6.
- Slevin, Carl. "Anarchism." The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics. Ed. Iain McLean and Alistair McMillan. Oxford University Press, 2003.
- "Anarchists do reject the state, as we will see. But to claim that this central aspect of anarchism is definitive is to sell anarchism short."Anarchism and Authority: A Philosophical Introduction to Classical Anarchism by Paul McLaughlin. AshGate. 2007. p. 28
- "My use of the word hierarchy in the subtitle of this work is meant to be provocative. There is a strong theoretical need to contrast hierarchy with the more widespread use of the words class and State; careless use of these terms can produce a dangerous simplification of social reality. To use the words hierarchy, class, and State interchangeably, as many social theorists do, is insidious and obscurantist. This practice, in the name of a "classless" or "libertarian" society, could easily conceal the existence of hierarchical relationships and a hierarchical sensibility, both of which-even in the absence of economic exploitation or political coercion-would serve to perpetuate unfreedom." Murray Bookchin. The Ecology of Freedom: the memergence and dissolution of Hierarchy. CHESHIRE BOOKS Palo Alto. 1982. Pg. 3
- "Authority is defined in terms of the right to exercise social control (as explored in the "sociology of power") and the correlative duty to obey (as explored in the "philosophy of practical reason"). Anarchism is distinguished, philosophically, by its scepticism towards such moral relations – by its questioning of the claims made for such normative power – and, practically, by its challenge to those "authoritative" powers which cannot justify their claims and which are therefore deemed illegitimate or without moral foundation."Anarchism and Authority: A Philosophical Introduction to Classical Anarchism by Paul McLaughlin. AshGate. 2007. p. 1
- "Anarchism, then, really stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion; the liberation of the human body from the dominion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. Anarchism stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals for the purpose of producing real social wealth; an order that will guarantee to every human being free access to the earth and full enjoyment of the necessities of life, according to individual desires, tastes, and inclinations." Emma Goldman. "What it Really Stands for Anarchy" in Anarchism and Other Essays.
- Individualist anarchist Benjamin Tucker defined anarchism as opposition to authority as follows "They found that they must turn either to the right or to the left, – follow either the path of Authority or the path of Liberty. Marx went one way; Warren and Proudhon the other. Thus were born State Socialism and Anarchism ... Authority, takes many shapes, but, broadly speaking, her enemies divide themselves into three classes: first, those who abhor her both as a means and as an end of progress, opposing her openly, avowedly, sincerely, consistently, universally; second, those who profess to believe in her as a means of progress, but who accept her only so far as they think she will subserve their own selfish interests, denying her and her blessings to the rest of the world; third, those who distrust her as a means of progress, believing in her only as an end to be obtained by first trampling upon, violating, and outraging her. These three phases of opposition to Liberty are met in almost every sphere of thought and human activity. Good representatives of the first are seen in the Catholic Church and the Russian autocracy; of the second, in the Protestant Church and the Manchester school of politics and political economy; of the third, in the atheism of Gambetta and the socialism of Karl Marx." Benjamin Tucker. Individual Liberty.
- Ward, Colin (1966). "Anarchism as a Theory of Organization". Archived from the original on 25 March 2010. Retrieved 1 March 2010.
- Anarchist historian George Woodcock report of Mikhail Bakunin's anti-authoritarianism and shows opposition to both state and non-state forms of authority as follows: "All anarchists deny authority; many of them fight against it." (p. 9) ... Bakunin did not convert the League's central committee to his full program, but he did persuade them to accept a remarkably radical recommendation to the Berne Congress of September 1868, demanding economic equality and implicitly attacking authority in both Church and State."
- Brown, L. Susan (2002). "Anarchism as a Political Philosophy of Existential Individualism: Implications for Feminism". The Politics of Individualism: Liberalism, Liberal Feminism and Anarchism. Black Rose Books Ltd. Publishing. p. 106.
by Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:32 am
Anarchism is a label used by movements and ideologies which generally have in common the rejection of authority which does not regularly justify itself.
Anarchism is "The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished."
an•ar•chy (ˈæn ər ki)
n.
1. a state of society without government or law.
2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control.
3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
4. confusion; chaos; disorder.
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:33 am
Ucropi wrote:Arkolon wrote:Oh, sorry, you wanted the whole thing?
"Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions,[1][2][3][4] but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][6][7][8] Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[9][10] While anti-statism is central, some argue[11] that anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[6][12][13][14][15][16][17][18]"
- "ANARCHISM, a social philosophy that rejects authoritarian government and maintains that voluntary institutions are best suited to express man's natural social tendencies." George Woodcock. "Anarchism" at The Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"In a society developed on these lines, the voluntary associations which already now begin to cover all the fields of human activity would take a still greater extension so as to substitute themselves for the state in all its functions." Peter Kropotkin. "Anarchism" from the Encyclopædia Britannica- "Anarchism." The Shorter Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 2005. p. 14 "Anarchism is the view that a society without the state, or government, is both possible and desirable."
- Sheehan, Sean. Anarchism, London: Reaktion Books Ltd., 2004. p. 85
"as many anarchists have stressed, it is not government as such that they find objectionable, but the hierarchical forms of government associated with the nation state." Judith Suissa. Anarchism and Education: a Philosophical Perspective. Routledge. New York. 2006. p. 7- "IAF principles". International of Anarchist Federations. Archived from the original on 5 January 2012. "The IAF – IFA fights for : the abolition of all forms of authority whether economical, political, social, religious, cultural or sexual."
- "That is why Anarchy, when it works to destroy authority in all its aspects, when it demands the abrogation of laws and the abolition of the mechanism that serves to impose them, when it refuses all hierarchical organisation and preaches free agreement — at the same time strives to maintain and enlarge the precious kernel of social customs without which no human or animal society can exist." Peter Kropotkin. Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal
- "anarchists are opposed to irrational (e.g., illegitimate) authority, in other words, hierarchy — hierarchy being the institutionalisation of authority within a society." "B.1 Why are anarchists against authority and hierarchy?" in An Anarchist FAQ
- Malatesta, Errico. "Towards Anarchism". MAN! (Los Angeles: International Group of San Francisco). OCLC 3930443. Archived from the original on 7 November 2012. Agrell, Siri (14 May 2007). "Working for The Man". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 16 May 2007.
- Retrieved 14 April 2008. "Anarchism". Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 2006. Archived from the original on 14 December 2006. Retrieved 29 August 2006. "Anarchism". The Shorter Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy: 14. 2005. "Anarchism is the view that a society without the state, or government, is both possible and desirable." The following sources cite anarchism as a political philosophy: Mclaughlin, Paul (2007). Anarchism and Authority. Aldershot: Ashgate. p. 59. ISBN 0-7546-6196-2. Johnston, R. (2000). The Dictionary of Human Geography. Cambridge: Blackwell Publishers. p. 24. ISBN 0-631-20561-6.
- Slevin, Carl. "Anarchism." The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics. Ed. Iain McLean and Alistair McMillan. Oxford University Press, 2003.
- "Anarchists do reject the state, as we will see. But to claim that this central aspect of anarchism is definitive is to sell anarchism short."Anarchism and Authority: A Philosophical Introduction to Classical Anarchism by Paul McLaughlin. AshGate. 2007. p. 28
- "My use of the word hierarchy in the subtitle of this work is meant to be provocative. There is a strong theoretical need to contrast hierarchy with the more widespread use of the words class and State; careless use of these terms can produce a dangerous simplification of social reality. To use the words hierarchy, class, and State interchangeably, as many social theorists do, is insidious and obscurantist. This practice, in the name of a "classless" or "libertarian" society, could easily conceal the existence of hierarchical relationships and a hierarchical sensibility, both of which-even in the absence of economic exploitation or political coercion-would serve to perpetuate unfreedom." Murray Bookchin. The Ecology of Freedom: the memergence and dissolution of Hierarchy. CHESHIRE BOOKS Palo Alto. 1982. Pg. 3
- "Authority is defined in terms of the right to exercise social control (as explored in the "sociology of power") and the correlative duty to obey (as explored in the "philosophy of practical reason"). Anarchism is distinguished, philosophically, by its scepticism towards such moral relations – by its questioning of the claims made for such normative power – and, practically, by its challenge to those "authoritative" powers which cannot justify their claims and which are therefore deemed illegitimate or without moral foundation."Anarchism and Authority: A Philosophical Introduction to Classical Anarchism by Paul McLaughlin. AshGate. 2007. p. 1
- "Anarchism, then, really stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion; the liberation of the human body from the dominion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. Anarchism stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals for the purpose of producing real social wealth; an order that will guarantee to every human being free access to the earth and full enjoyment of the necessities of life, according to individual desires, tastes, and inclinations." Emma Goldman. "What it Really Stands for Anarchy" in Anarchism and Other Essays.
- Individualist anarchist Benjamin Tucker defined anarchism as opposition to authority as follows "They found that they must turn either to the right or to the left, – follow either the path of Authority or the path of Liberty. Marx went one way; Warren and Proudhon the other. Thus were born State Socialism and Anarchism ... Authority, takes many shapes, but, broadly speaking, her enemies divide themselves into three classes: first, those who abhor her both as a means and as an end of progress, opposing her openly, avowedly, sincerely, consistently, universally; second, those who profess to believe in her as a means of progress, but who accept her only so far as they think she will subserve their own selfish interests, denying her and her blessings to the rest of the world; third, those who distrust her as a means of progress, believing in her only as an end to be obtained by first trampling upon, violating, and outraging her. These three phases of opposition to Liberty are met in almost every sphere of thought and human activity. Good representatives of the first are seen in the Catholic Church and the Russian autocracy; of the second, in the Protestant Church and the Manchester school of politics and political economy; of the third, in the atheism of Gambetta and the socialism of Karl Marx." Benjamin Tucker. Individual Liberty.
- Ward, Colin (1966). "Anarchism as a Theory of Organization". Archived from the original on 25 March 2010. Retrieved 1 March 2010.
- Anarchist historian George Woodcock report of Mikhail Bakunin's anti-authoritarianism and shows opposition to both state and non-state forms of authority as follows: "All anarchists deny authority; many of them fight against it." (p. 9) ... Bakunin did not convert the League's central committee to his full program, but he did persuade them to accept a remarkably radical recommendation to the Berne Congress of September 1868, demanding economic equality and implicitly attacking authority in both Church and State."
- Brown, L. Susan (2002). "Anarchism as a Political Philosophy of Existential Individualism: Implications for Feminism". The Politics of Individualism: Liberalism, Liberal Feminism and Anarchism. Black Rose Books Ltd. Publishing. p. 106.
Dictionary source please. Not just copy/pasting wikipedia
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:34 am
Unitaristic Regions wrote:Ucropi wrote:Find me a dictionary definition that proves your stance.
Can't? Oh well.
Is it necessary to act like a dick?
You came on with the definition of chaos=anarchy, while the definition of anarchy=ideology is very different.Anarchism is a label used by movements and ideologies which generally have in common the rejection of authority which does not regularly justify itself.Anarchism is "The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished."
and here's the Free Dictionary:an•ar•chy (ˈæn ər ki)
n.
1. a state of society without government or law.
2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control.
3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
4. confusion; chaos; disorder.
Note that 1. is ambiguous, since law refers back to government Definition 3. therefore, is different than 1. Also, note that 3. says, explicitly, organised society. Plus, anarchists like something called "pluralistic law".
http://attackthesystem.com/law-and-anarchism/
And for the second time, please don't be an ass.
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:34 am
Arkolon wrote:Ucropi wrote:Dictionary source please. Not just copy/pasting wikipedia
I could post every single academic definition of anarchism ever, and yet you'd still dismiss it because it's not the same as your two-second Google search. Come on now, realise your error and move on. If anarchy really was chaos, do you really think we'd all be anarchists?
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:36 am
Ucropi wrote:Arkolon wrote:I could post every single academic definition of anarchism ever, and yet you'd still dismiss it because it's not the same as your two-second Google search. Come on now, realise your error and move on. If anarchy really was chaos, do you really think we'd all be anarchists?
yes because you think it's cool. the system doesn't work.
by Unitaristic Regions » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:38 am
Ucropi wrote:Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Is it necessary to act like a dick?
You came on with the definition of chaos=anarchy, while the definition of anarchy=ideology is very different.
and here's the Free Dictionary:
Note that 1. is ambiguous, since law refers back to government Definition 3. therefore, is different than 1. Also, note that 3. says, explicitly, organised society. Plus, anarchists like something called "pluralistic law".
http://attackthesystem.com/law-and-anarchism/
And for the second time, please don't be an ass.
So in other words ignore the definitions that don't fit what you want.
Man if you can't handle me how could you handle an entire planet of anarchy? People are terrible and we need order.
by Jumalariik » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:38 am
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:40 am
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:41 am
Jumalariik wrote:I personally am an anarchist, but I don't have one particular branch that I subscribe to.
Why?
-My anarchist views are influenced by my Christian ones in a great way, making me close to Christian anarchism.
-My communist economic views point me to Anarcho-communism.
-My nationalist/anti-imperialist views set me apart from most other anarchists.
I guess I would be a Muntzerist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Müntzer
Do people think that nationalism can blend into anarchism without being national anarchism?
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:42 am
Arkolon wrote:Ucropi wrote:Wow I'm a troll for proving anarchy doesn't work?[citation needed]
Anarchy has never been tried?
Anarchy is chaos?
But we're all going to DIIEEEE?
Anarchy is utopian?
Come on, Ucropi. You haven't proved anything. You walked in here, insulted everyone, pretended that a Google search can replace academic study, and now you're upset because we think you're just trying to piss us off.
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:43 am
Ucropi wrote:Arkolon wrote:Anarchy has never been tried?
Anarchy is chaos?
But we're all going to DIIEEEE?
Anarchy is utopian?
Come on, Ucropi. You haven't proved anything. You walked in here, insulted everyone, pretended that a Google search can replace academic study, and now you're upset because we think you're just trying to piss us off.
If Anarchy worked we would be using it now. It doesn't, we don't.
by Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:45 am
Arkolon wrote:Ucropi wrote:If Anarchy worked we would be using it now. It doesn't, we don't.
Anarchy worked for 99.8% of humanity's history. Your argument is also pretty invalid, because it assumes that the political elite always wants what's best for the whole society and that bureaucrats never ever make mistakes.
by Liberaxia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:45 am
Arkolon wrote:Ucropi wrote:Wow I'm a troll for proving anarchy doesn't work?[citation needed]
Anarchy has never been tried?
Anarchy is chaos?
But we're all going to DIIEEEE?
Anarchy is utopian?
Come on, Ucropi. You haven't proved anything. You walked in here, insulted everyone, pretended that a Google search can replace academic study, and now you're upset because we think you're just trying to piss us off.
by Liberaxia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:47 am
Arkolon wrote:Ucropi wrote:If Anarchy worked we would be using it now. It doesn't, we don't.
Anarchy worked for 99.8% of humanity's history. Your argument is also pretty invalid, because it assumes that the political elite always wants what's best for the whole society and that bureaucrats never ever make mistakes.
by Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:47 am
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