by Deutsches Heilige Land » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:43 pm
by Silent Majority » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:51 pm
by Jinwoy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:52 pm
by Renewed Dissonance » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:53 pm
Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:...where instead of mere employees, workers are viewed as equal to their employers...?
by Yanalia » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:53 pm
Free South Califas wrote:Dammit Byzantium, stop spraying your ignorance on everyone.
by The Grim Reaper » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:53 pm
by Korouse » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:54 pm
Korouse wrote:Your utopia sounds more logical than Marx's.
by The divided » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:54 pm
The Grim Reaper wrote:Not commenting on the rest, because I'm not a Marxist - but nationalism is a terrible ideology and should be eradicated.
by Pandeeria » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:55 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by The Soviet Workers » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:55 pm
by Korouse » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:57 pm
The Soviet workers wrote:Comrade, it does sound incredibly utopian.
The problem with your ideology (not insulting in any way, so please do not take it personally) is that it is based on nationalism. Nationalism, when implemented in the 21st century, leads to Nazism. This is because the workers and the bourgeois cannot be united due to the fact that most likely the workers or the bourgeois or not of the same nationality. And because of this difference, a paradigm of superiority would appear, leading to racism and eventually nazism.
I do not believe in the complete destruction of the "class enemy", as that is more Communist than Socialist. However, I do think that it is apparent that the bourgeois (who often are not very well educated and are plainly arrogant and have a cavalier wind to them just to show off their wealth) often abuse and trample on the rights of the workers and the everyday people. This can be seen in Edwardian England, Imperial China, and even in today's USA.
To better understand my horrid explanation, I suggest you read the book "An inspector Calls" by J.B.Priestly. It is a perfect personification of this issue.
Thank you,
The Soviet Workers
by Quilavaland » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:58 pm
Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:Hello.
My question is this: why do you disagree with class collaboration? Why instead do you wish to destroy the bourgeois ? When both classes can be united to work together for the common good of the community.
Promote a patriotic, nationalist culture where instead of mere employees, workers are viewed as equal to their employers based on a nationalist point of view?
Where instead of exploiting them, they are treated with respect, and given a fair share of their dues.
And where the owner is encouraged to do business locally and stimulate the local economy, transparent accounts?
I agree this sounds unrealistically Utopian, however, isn't what Marx envisaged practically reliant on a sudden turning point where every human suddenly accrues mass benevolence?
Just asking why some of you disagree with class collaboration.
by Pandeeria » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:59 pm
Quilavaland wrote:Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:Hello.
My question is this: why do you disagree with class collaboration? Why instead do you wish to destroy the bourgeois ? When both classes can be united to work together for the common good of the community.
Promote a patriotic, nationalist culture where instead of mere employees, workers are viewed as equal to their employers based on a nationalist point of view?
Where instead of exploiting them, they are treated with respect, and given a fair share of their dues.
And where the owner is encouraged to do business locally and stimulate the local economy, transparent accounts?
I agree this sounds unrealistically Utopian, however, isn't what Marx envisaged practically reliant on a sudden turning point where every human suddenly accrues mass benevolence?
Just asking why some of you disagree with class collaboration.
I don't disagree with it. In fact I believe there should be no "classes", we should just be united in bettering life for everyone.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by The Serbian Empire » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:15 am
Korouse wrote:Your utopia sounds more logical than Marx's.
by Deutsches Heilige Land » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:34 am
by Maineiacs » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:34 am
Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:Hello.
My question is this: why do you disagree with class collaboration? Why instead do you wish to destroy the bourgeois ? When both classes can be united to work together for the common good of the community.
Promote a patriotic, nationalist culture where instead of mere employees, workers are viewed as equal to their employers based on a nationalist point of view?
Where instead of exploiting them, they are treated with respect, and given a fair share of their dues.
And where the owner is encouraged to do business locally and stimulate the local economy, transparent accounts?
I agree this sounds unrealistically Utopian, however, isn't what Marx envisaged practically reliant on a sudden turning point where every human suddenly accrues mass benevolence?
Just asking why some of you disagree with class collaboration.
by Korouse » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:37 am
Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:Here I will throw another variable.
My family and I are bourgeois, We are "aristocrats ".in the sense that We own profitable businesses and invest in other companies and employ workers etc.
My father's policy has always been one of benevolence. He is constantly stressing the need to promote cooperation, citing that as workers and employers were both born unclothed and hungry - and that this should never be true again.
My father has often allocated capital funds for workers to improve their healthcare options and give them opportunities to further their education.
Now, obviously my family cannot ensure every single manager of ours and such are pursuing a policy of benefiting everyone as much as possible, but Tue point is, that with our family business stimulating local economy and creating jobs, while at the same time encouraging it's employees to pursue higher form of education - to me this is a perfect example of class collaboration. This is why I brought up the point.
I examined our practice and could not find a reason why anything done is wrong.
And no, we're not cosmopolitans, We only hire the ethnic citizens of whatever nation We have business in. For example We only hire German people in Germany, Greeks on Greece etc
by Korouse » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:39 am
by Deutsches Heilige Land » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:48 am
Korouse wrote:I love how people are coming in here saying nationalism equals fascism. Seriously, go read a fucking book. There's something called National Liberalism.
by Korouse » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:56 am
Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:Korouse wrote:I love how people are coming in here saying nationalism equals fascism. Seriously, go read a fucking book. There's something called National Liberalism.
For the sake of honesty, my entire family are essentially National Socialists except for me.
Im not exactly a fascist but i put myself somewhere around that area.
by Revanchism » Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:02 am
Norstal wrote:You ever watched a bad movie that is so bad, that it's enlightening? Like, you start asking yourself, "why did I watched this movie. What is the meaning of life after I watched this movie."
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Excuse me, I believe that the proper term is Satanic-American.
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Does Queen Elsa have a partnership with the Rothschild family in the film?
by Deutsches Heilige Land » Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:03 am
Korouse wrote:Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:For the sake of honesty, my entire family are essentially National Socialists except for me.
Im not exactly a fascist but i put myself somewhere around that area.
That doesn't quite mean your family supports Adolf Hitler, mainly because Hitler wasn't a national socialist...
by Revanchism » Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:04 am
Norstal wrote:You ever watched a bad movie that is so bad, that it's enlightening? Like, you start asking yourself, "why did I watched this movie. What is the meaning of life after I watched this movie."
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Excuse me, I believe that the proper term is Satanic-American.
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:Does Queen Elsa have a partnership with the Rothschild family in the film?
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