Indeed, a Socialist or Communist revolution is tailored around an industrialized nation (Specifically turn of the century England, France, or Germany)
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by Rio de Fuego » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:29 pm
by Margno » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:30 pm
by Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:32 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Korouse » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:32 pm
by Venatorium » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:32 pm
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:33 pm
by Rio de Fuego » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:33 pm
Korouse wrote:Rio de Fuego wrote:Indeed, a Socialist or Communist revolution is tailored around an industrialized nation (Specifically turn of the century England, France, or Germany)
But none of those would ever be Socialist around those times, because those totally cool Conservative parties made all that industrialization and ruled with an iron fist so the socialists didn't get militant.
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:35 pm
by Rio de Fuego » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:35 pm
The Serbian Empire wrote:Rio de Fuego wrote:Indeed, a Socialist or Communist revolution is tailored around an industrialized nation (Specifically turn of the century England, France, or Germany)
Yet the parties still had the gall to call themselves Communist. I think it says everything about the ideology and that is it can't develop a foot hold in fully modernized economies.
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:36 pm
Rio de Fuego wrote:Korouse wrote:But none of those would ever be Socialist around those times, because those totally cool Conservative parties made all that industrialization and ruled with an iron fist so the socialists didn't get militant.
They're was far to much suppression and far to much contentment in the working class to have a functional socialist revolution
by Master Shake » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:36 pm
Venatorium wrote:Of course its a disease. Communism is a parasite, a bulging tumor. It has killed in excess of millions, be it Stalinism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. It should be eradicated.
by Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:37 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:37 pm
by Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:38 pm
Geilinor wrote:Rio de Fuego wrote:Indeed, a Socialist or Communist revolution is tailored around an industrialized nation (Specifically turn of the century England, France, or Germany)
Once you become that industrialized, the appeal of a revolution dies and the workers turn to democratic socialist and social democratic parties.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:38 pm
Rio de Fuego wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:Yet the parties still had the gall to call themselves Communist. I think it says everything about the ideology and that is it can't develop a foot hold in fully modernized economies.
The ideology of communism is a idea for the future, it appeals to nations in poverty but it is ultimately bad for them. Socialism however has a foothold in many nations worldwide and an elected socialist government is the precursor to socialist revolution and then communism
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:38 pm
Pandeeria wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:Some ten to fifteen years later. If anything, it proves that Marxism can spur industrialization, but it almost will never take hold in an industrialized economy without Soviet assistance.
While Stalin was a dick of epic proportions, he did a lot for the Union. For all intents and purposes, Stalin is the one that turned it into the military and industrial superpower that could compete with the US. I credit Stalin as the man who single handily push the USSR to be a superpower.
by Korouse » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:39 pm
Rio de Fuego wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:Yet the parties still had the gall to call themselves Communist. I think it says everything about the ideology and that is it can't develop a foot hold in fully modernized economies.
The ideology of communism is a idea for the future, it appeals to nations in poverty but it is ultimately bad for them. Socialism however has a foothold in many nations worldwide and an elected socialist government is the precursor to socialist revolution and then communism
by Distruzio » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:39 pm
Freistaat Sachse wrote:In the 1950's, during the Red Scare in America, many 'specialists' branded communism as a disease. Of course, we're going to ignore what they said because it was just political propaganda. But philosophically and biologically speaking, could they be correct?
One of the tenets of communism is that all humans are equal, but that's biologically and factually incorrect. We could say otherwise: humans are inherently unequal. Some are smarter, some are richer, that's the way it is and it's always been. Since communism ignores these basic principles, I choose to brand it as "philosophical disease", a disorder of philosophical structure. After all, aren't philosophers supposed supposed to use logic and scientific facts to build their ideologies? The only way to 'cure' communism is through education of the masses. It's the only way to eradicate this illogical ideology that was responsible for the deaths of literally milions of people from earth.
Do you agree with me? Why/Why not? In your opinion, how do we cure communism?
by The New Sea Territory » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:40 pm
Venatorium wrote:Of course its a disease. Communism is a parasite, a bulging tumor. It has killed in excess of millions, be it Stalinism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. It should be eradicated.
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by Rio de Fuego » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:40 pm
The Serbian Empire wrote:Rio de Fuego wrote:The ideology of communism is a idea for the future, it appeals to nations in poverty but it is ultimately bad for them. Socialism however has a foothold in many nations worldwide and an elected socialist government is the precursor to socialist revolution and then communism
Except that these elected "socialists" are little more than economic centrists who practice mixed economies are best economies and will never be fully socialist or capitalist.
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:41 pm
Distruzio wrote:Freistaat Sachse wrote:In the 1950's, during the Red Scare in America, many 'specialists' branded communism as a disease. Of course, we're going to ignore what they said because it was just political propaganda. But philosophically and biologically speaking, could they be correct?
One of the tenets of communism is that all humans are equal, but that's biologically and factually incorrect. We could say otherwise: humans are inherently unequal. Some are smarter, some are richer, that's the way it is and it's always been. Since communism ignores these basic principles, I choose to brand it as "philosophical disease", a disorder of philosophical structure. After all, aren't philosophers supposed supposed to use logic and scientific facts to build their ideologies? The only way to 'cure' communism is through education of the masses. It's the only way to eradicate this illogical ideology that was responsible for the deaths of literally milions of people from earth.
Do you agree with me? Why/Why not? In your opinion, how do we cure communism?
I do, however, feel that it is anti-individual and is, therefore, anti-human. It is anti-human in that it posits economic and social egalitarianism in such a grotesque manner that individuals are alienated from all organic identity. What I mean is that communism and its philosophical linchpin, horizontal collectivism, alienates the human individual from human society by undermining the "hierarchical" nature of humanity. Horizontal collectivism and it's economic and social derivatives challenges vertical collectivism and individualism - both of which are characterizations of human civilization and necessary for the perpetuity of human society.
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:41 pm
Korouse wrote:Rio de Fuego wrote:The ideology of communism is a idea for the future, it appeals to nations in poverty but it is ultimately bad for them. Socialism however has a foothold in many nations worldwide and an elected socialist government is the precursor to socialist revolution and then communism
So what you're saying is, Socialists party are in it to overthrow the existing government? Very hostile sounding.
by Korouse » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:42 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Venatorium wrote:Of course its a disease. Communism is a parasite, a bulging tumor. It has killed in excess of millions, be it Stalinism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. It should be eradicated.
Communism never killed anybody. The systems you describe are means of achieving communism.
by Pandeeria » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:42 pm
Rio de Fuego wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:Except that these elected "socialists" are little more than economic centrists who practice mixed economies are best economies and will never be fully socialist or capitalist.
I disagree socialism is alive and well worldwide, we surely won't see a revolution in our time, but the far left is still kicking
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by -Arabiyah- » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:43 pm
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