Why be against Zionism?

[Leritorius]

Only a few days ago a synagogue was attacked by protesters in France and had to be stopped by the police.

• remember that the Jewish Defense League is allowed in France. I, for myself, would beat a JDL member down senseless if I'm given the opportunity. This does not make me an antisemitic.
• Know that the JDL in France, is supported by the jew-filled government and suffer no penalty for their actions when their pro-palestinian opponents suffer prison time for much less.
• Know that both previous points allow the JDL to actually taunt their opponents into doing something they can use in propaganda. They also attack and taunt from behind the cops lines... How courageous, isn't it ?
• Remember that the goyim's life conditions go gradually down, while jewish live better government by government.
• Remember the Palestine-Israel crisis. Enough said.
• Know that the french public education claims to be atheist, while both the actual and former ministers for education under Hollande are active and fervent talmudists.

Use facts if you wish, but do keep them in context.

[Constantinopolis]

History has proved that the only truly safe place for jews is the Jewish state.

If you call living in a fortified bunker surrounded by people who want revenge for what has been done to them "safe", then yeah, I guess the Jewish state is safe...

The point is, when you try to achieve safety through superior military strength (which is what Israel is all about), you do things that cause people to want revenge against you, and so you force yourself into a permanent militarized state. You will never be able to let your guard down. Israel has created a situation where it must always continue to have overwhelming military power or cease to exist. That is not "safe".

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

History has proved that the only truly safe place for jews is the Jewish state.

If you call living in a fortified bunker surrounded by people who want revenge for what has been done to them "safe", then yeah, I guess the Jewish state is safe...

Bery safe.

[Baiynistan]

I'm 'against' Zionism in that Israel should be a State for Jews and not a Jewish State. In this, I don't mean that Israel should offer citizenship exclusively to Jews, rather it should be a nation which provides the Jews' their right to self-determination.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I'm 'against' Zionism in that Israel should be a State for Jews and not a Jewish State. In this, I don't mean that Israel should offer citizenship exclusively to Jews, rather it should be a nation which provides the Jews' their right to self-determination.

I'd like it to be where it is right now indefinitely only with the consent of the majority of Palestinians, though.

[Baiynistan]

I'd like it to be where it is right now indefinitely only with the consent of the majority of Palestinians, though.

For real cooperation between the Palestinians and Jews, I think religion needs to be taken out of the equation and part of that would be abandoning the notion of making Israel a Jewish state. Another part of it is building national and international support for secular political movements in Palestine and maybe getting the Palestinians to draft a constitution that divides faith and state.

[New Aerios]

I'm against Zionism both because I oppose the state, and because I oppose ethnic nationalism even more. Ethnic nationalism is nothing but racism. Israel is an apartheid state attempting to mimic the policies of the people that persecuted them 70 years ago.

[The 93rd Coalition]

The only argument I know of is by other Jews themselves, mainly Hasidics, who claim(ed) that a Jewish state could not be established until the messiah came, since he was the only one who could rule wisely under the Torah. A secular Jewish state would be a cheap imitation.

[The New Lowlands]

Zionism doesn't encourage taking anyone's land. It realises that it is vital that there be a jewish state, for the jewish people. Judaism is not just a religion but also a culture, and history has proved that the Jews will never be safe in another people's country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

In response to the question; Why should we oppose any ethnic nationalist nation-building project, such as Greater Germany, Greater Netherlands, or Greater Indonesia?

[Master Shake]

If zionists had found a place in the world that was not already inhabited by other people, then perhaps it could have worked without the negative consequences.

Antarctica, anybody? I'm sure the penguins won't mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

Probably the best idea Stalin had...

[Washington Resistance Army]

Zionism doesn't encourage taking anyone's land. It realises that it is vital that there be a jewish state, for the jewish people. Judaism is not just a religion but also a culture, and history has proved that the Jews will never be safe in another people's country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

In response to the question; Why should we oppose any ethnic nationalist nation-building project, such as Greater Germany, Greater Netherlands, or Greater Indonesia?

I wasn't aware of Greater Indonesia, thanks for that.

[Master Shake]

Zionism doesn't encourage taking anyone's land. It realises that it is vital that there be a jewish state, for the jewish people. Judaism is not just a religion but also a culture, and history has proved that the Jews will never be safe in another people's country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

In response to the question; Why should we oppose any ethnic nationalist nation-building project, such as Greater Germany, Greater Netherlands, or Greater Indonesia?

You forgot about Greater Hungary...

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

In response to the question; Why should we oppose any ethnic nationalist nation-building project, such as Greater Germany, Greater Netherlands, or Greater Indonesia?

Pfffffff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Portugal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casamance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Timor

And most importantly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Map

Lusophone irredentism best irredentism

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

Probably the best idea Stalin had...

Actually I'd very much prefer the Zionism out of the Middle East applied by the Warsaw Pact countries to be in the form of a buffer zone in Europe itself.

From Russia's border with Norway to Slovenia's border with Italy (the specific countries to be crossed would be discussed).

[The New Lowlands]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

Probably the best idea Stalin had...

Actually I'd very much prefer the Zionism out of the Middle East applied by the Warsaw Pact countries to be in the form of a buffer zone in Europe itself.

From Russia's border with Norway to Slovenia's border with Italy (the specific countries to be crossed would be discussed).

I'd rather have the former Iron Curtain turned into a nature preserve, as proposed.

[Sklavinia]

Because people associate Zionism with the State of Israel, and nobody likes the State of Israel because they think just because a couple Arab farmers have lived there for the last few centuries that overwrites the fact that it's still the promised land of the Jews which was stolen from them by Greco-Romans.

[Saint Jade IV]

Because people associate Zionism with the State of Israel, and nobody likes the State of Israel because they think just because a couple Arab farmers have lived there for the last few centuries that overwrites the fact that it's still the promised land of the Jews which was stolen from them by Greco-Romans.

Promised by whom?

[Gezi Park]

Religious-oriented Zionists are so disgusting but I have no problem with patriotic libertarian Zionists.

[Nansurium]

Because people associate Zionism with the State of Israel, and nobody likes the State of Israel because they think just because a couple Arab farmers have lived there for the last few centuries that overwrites the fact that it's still the promised land of the Jews which was stolen from them by Greco-Romans.

No, actually it was taken from them by the Egyptians, who then lost that land to the Assyrians, who then lost that land to the Babylonians, who then lost that land to the Persians, who then lost that land to the Greeks, who then lost that land to some Egyptian-Greeks, who then lost that land to some Asian-Greeks, who then lost that land to the Maccabees, who lost that land to the Romans, who lost that land to the Arabs, who lost that land to the Crusaders, who lost that land to Saladin, who lost that land to the mamlucks, who lost that land to the Turks, who lost that land to the British, who then created the Israeli state.

You could at least try to get your facts straight.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Actually I'd very much prefer the Zionism out of the Middle East applied by the Warsaw Pact countries to be in the form of a buffer zone in Europe itself.

From Russia's border with Norway to Slovenia's border with Italy (the specific countries to be crossed would be discussed).

I'd rather have the former Iron Curtain turned into a nature preserve, as proposed.

*researches*

Oh

Then...

Turkey/Greece (nature), Bulgaria/Greece or B./Macedonia (nature), Macedonia/Serbia, Kosovo/Serbia, Montenegro/Serbia, Bosnia/Serbia, Croatia/Serbia, Hungary/Serbia (nature), Hungary/Romania, Hungary/Ukraine, Hungary/Slovakia, Slovakia/Austria (nature), Slovakia/Czech Republic, Slovakia/Poland, Poland/Ukraine, Ukraine/Belarus, Belarus/Russia, Latvia/Belarus, Lithuania/Belarus, Lithuania/Poland, Lithuania/Russia.

[Sklavinia]

Because people associate Zionism with the State of Israel, and nobody likes the State of Israel because they think just because a couple Arab farmers have lived there for the last few centuries that overwrites the fact that it's still the promised land of the Jews which was stolen from them by Greco-Romans.

No, actually it was taken from them by the Egyptians, who then lost that land to the Assyrians, who then lost that land to the Babylonians, who then lost that land to the Persians, who then lost that land to the Greeks, who then lost that land to some Egyptian-Greeks, who then lost that land to some Asian-Greeks, who then lost that land to the Maccabees, who lost that land to the Romans, who lost that land to the Arabs, who lost that land to the Crusaders, who lost that land to Saladin, who lost that land to the mamlucks, who lost that land to the Turks, who lost that land to the British, who then created the Israeli state.

You could at least try to get your facts straight.

No, they still lived there until the Roman Empire came, so it was still their land.

[Nansurium]

No, actually it was taken from them by the Egyptians, who then lost that land to the Assyrians, who then lost that land to the Babylonians, who then lost that land to the Persians, who then lost that land to the Greeks, who then lost that land to some Egyptian-Greeks, who then lost that land to some Asian-Greeks, who then lost that land to the Maccabees, who lost that land to the Romans, who lost that land to the Arabs, who lost that land to the Crusaders, who lost that land to Saladin, who lost that land to the mamlucks, who lost that land to the Turks, who lost that land to the British, who then created the Israeli state.

You could at least try to get your facts straight.

No, they still lived there until the Roman Empire came, so it was still their land.

So I'm assuming you must have missed the Jewish diaspora...

[Sklavinia]

Because people associate Zionism with the State of Israel, and nobody likes the State of Israel because they think just because a couple Arab farmers have lived there for the last few centuries that overwrites the fact that it's still the promised land of the Jews which was stolen from them by Greco-Romans.

Promised by whom?

God, who else?

[Master Shake]

I'd rather have the former Iron Curtain turned into a nature preserve, as proposed.

*researches*

Oh

Then...

Turkey/Greece (nature), Bulgaria/Greece or B./Macedonia (nature), Macedonia/Serbia, Kosovo/Serbia, Montenegro/Serbia, Bosnia/Serbia, Croatia/Serbia, Hungary/Serbia (nature), Hungary/Romania, Hungary/Ukraine, Hungary/Slovakia, Slovakia/Austria (nature), Slovakia/Czech Republic, Slovakia/Poland, Poland/Ukraine, Ukraine/Belarus, Belarus/Russia, Latvia/Belarus, Lithuania/Belarus, Lithuania/Poland, Lithuania/Russia.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Why destroy centuries of history and culture by turning these great nations into a forest preserve??!!?

Shit I'd rather have Hungary ruled over by the soviets then see it turned into a EU national park...

[Saint Jade IV]

Promised by whom?

God, who else?

Which God? And how do you know it was promised?