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by New Laikland » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:19 pm
by The Scientific States » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:21 pm
New Laikland wrote:I don't see the problem here. I'm pretty sure the world isn't a perfect utopia, so I see no harm in stopping terrorism.
by Northwest Slobovia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:23 pm
by New Laikland » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:23 pm
by The Scientific States » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:24 pm
by Sjovenia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:26 pm
The Saint James Islands wrote:-Arabiyah- wrote:
Yes the UK is in the EU there is no obligation to use the Euro Bulgaria and The Czech Republic are EU members as well along with the Baltic states and they do not use the Euro
Issuing a major correction here: with two exceptions, all EU states are obligated to eventually join the Eurozone. Denmark and the UK get an asterisk next to this clause that allows them to opt-out. /sidenote
On the topic of the OP, the biggest thing the British public can do is try to call up their MPs and incite a backbench rebellion of massive proportions. Probably not going to happen, but I don't trust the Lords to put a stop to Cameron's nonsense.
by The Matthew Islands » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:32 pm
European Socialist Republic wrote:What's the point if the ECJ will just strike it down again?
Souseiseki wrote:as a posting career in the UK Poltics Thread becomes longer, the probability of literally becoming souseiseki approaches 1
by Atlanticatia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:34 pm
by Alexanda » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:35 pm
by Northwest Slobovia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:35 pm
by Caltarania » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:38 pm
by Sjovenia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:40 pm
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:41 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm almost certain they wouldn't. They're big on being populist. Being unpopular and rushing surveillance legislation is not in their remit.
Fair point, they want to appeal to the populace in whatever way possible. But, given some of their authoritarian policies, I don't think the UKIP has a problem with this.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:42 pm
Sjovenia wrote:The Scientific States wrote:
The UK government can stop terrorism without doing something so incredibly idiotic.
Really? Strict gun laws, CCTV on every street corner and crevice, as well as a large police force surely didn't stop the PIRA from detonating a bomb in what was it? Victoria ststion back in the 90s/00s
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Atlanticatia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:43 pm
by New Laikland » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:44 pm
by Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:47 pm
New Laikland wrote:I don't see the problem here. I'm pretty sure the world isn't a perfect utopia, so I see no harm in stopping terrorism.
by New Laikland » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:47 pm
Northwest Slobovia wrote:What, that the government needs to listen in on all electronic communications on the off chance that somebody is dumb enough to describe a terror plot in detail over them, in the clear? Here in the States, one of our spy agencies has been doing that since 9/11*, and they were recently forced to admit that their eavesdropping has not stopped even one terrorist. Not one. Despite that, there have been a number of terror attacks here. Nor have the Chinese, with even greater authoritarian power, been able to stop terror attacks there. The claim that mass surveillence is needed or helpful is demonstrable bullshit.
*: Fortunately, based on recent rulings of the US Supreme Court (US v Jones and Riley) it looks like they're gonna tell the spies to fuck right off as soon as the relevant cases reach them.
by New Laikland » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:48 pm
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:The impact of the fallout is far too great to retain the current surveillance regulation scheme in its current form, even though the duration is cut to 12 months. I'm already on the edge of leaving the UK after GCHQ/NSA.
by Novorossiya Soviet Ukraine » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:51 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:The UK government is full of shitbergs lately.
It's no suprise they want to monitor the population, I expect they know that if citizens could get away with it they'd already be conspiring in revolution.
by Pandeeria » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:53 pm
Novorossiya Soviet Ukraine wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:The UK government is full of shitbergs lately.
It's no suprise they want to monitor the population, I expect they know that if citizens could get away with it they'd already be conspiring in revolution.
We have lots of shitbergs here in France ruling over us as well. Similar laws are being deliberated across the Euro-Reich continent at the moment. I would hardly be surprised if an equivalent of the Gestapo formed across our NATO-EU countries.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by New Aerios » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:55 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Novorossiya Soviet Ukraine wrote:We have lots of shitbergs here in France ruling over us as well. Similar laws are being deliberated across the Euro-Reich continent at the moment. I would hardly be surprised if an equivalent of the Gestapo formed across our NATO-EU countries.
Yeah, no.
A Gestapo isn't going to be formed. At least not any time soon.
"No matter how worthy the cause, it is robbery, theft, and injustice to confiscate the property of one person and give it to another to whom it does not belong"------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man."
by Novorossiya Soviet Ukraine » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:59 pm
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 pm
New Laikland wrote:Charlotte Ryberg wrote:The impact of the fallout is far too great to retain the current surveillance regulation scheme in its current form, even though the duration is cut to 12 months. I'm already on the edge of leaving the UK after GCHQ/NSA.
Fallout? If people are so willing to allow terrorist attacks to happen to their own nations, then who cares what they think?
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
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