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Who will OP the next MGVoYN[NM] thread?

Imperializt Russia
39
25%
Anemos Major
52
33%
Questers
8
5%
Dragomere
21
13%
Dostanuot Loj
5
3%
The Kievan People
22
14%
Oaledonia
12
8%
 
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Fordorsia
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Postby Fordorsia » Sat May 24, 2014 5:29 pm

Mozria wrote:Hm. I have never used such an application. I may look into it, seeing that it gives a better appearance versus my line-heavy models in SketchUp Make.

On another note, what are the beneficial and detrimental qualities of the use of track return rollers?


I tried it a while ago. Gave up. I may try it again and put some actual effort into it though.

They keep the track tight and stop the top of the track flexing and hitting the fender or potentially throwing itself off the wheels. No idea about any downsides. Harder to change the track, maybe?
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Postby Mozria » Sat May 24, 2014 5:40 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Mozria wrote:Hm. I have never used such an application. I may look into it, seeing that it gives a better appearance versus my line-heavy models in SketchUp Make.

On another note, what are the beneficial and detrimental qualities of the use of track return rollers?


I tried it a while ago. Gave up. I may try it again and put some actual effort into it though.

They keep the track tight and stop the top of the track flexing and hitting the fender or potentially throwing itself off the wheels. No idea about any downsides. Harder to change the track, maybe?

How do they keep the track tight, though? It appears that the tracks just sit on top of them, with no tension being applied.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat May 24, 2014 5:44 pm

Would it be unreasonable to design and build a Merkava style IFV with 4-6 passengers and a 76mm HV gun?
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Postby Mozria » Sat May 24, 2014 5:45 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:Would it be unreasonable to design and build a Merkava style IFV with 4-6 passengers and a 76mm HV gun?

Are you meaning Namer-style, or really as a Merkava analog?

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Postby Fordorsia » Sat May 24, 2014 5:46 pm

Mozria wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
I tried it a while ago. Gave up. I may try it again and put some actual effort into it though.

They keep the track tight and stop the top of the track flexing and hitting the fender or potentially throwing itself off the wheels. No idea about any downsides. Harder to change the track, maybe?

How do they keep the track tight, though? It appears that the tracks just sit on top of them, with no tension being applied.
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Maybe tight is the wrong word. Taut is probably more appropriate. Still, they're just there to stop the track from falling or and or from having the track damage itself or the fender from being too slack and flapping all over the place.
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Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby The Kievan People » Sat May 24, 2014 5:47 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:Would it be unreasonable to design and build a Merkava style IFV with 4-6 passengers and a 76mm HV gun?


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Postby Mozria » Sat May 24, 2014 5:47 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Mozria wrote:How do they keep the track tight, though? It appears that the tracks just sit on top of them, with no tension being applied.
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Maybe tight is the wrong word. Taut is probably more appropriate. Still, they're just there to stop the track from falling or and or from having the track damage itself or the fender from being too slack and flapping all over the place.

I see. I shall add them to my suspension immediately.

Silly that I did not remember to put them in before, though.

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat May 24, 2014 5:48 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:Would it be unreasonable to design and build a Merkava style IFV with 4-6 passengers and a 76mm HV gun?


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Mozria wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:Would it be unreasonable to design and build a Merkava style IFV with 4-6 passengers and a 76mm HV gun?

Are you meaning Namer-style, or really as a Merkava analog?

Mainline Namer has no gun...

Merkava, yes.

It'd be more like the M3/M2 Bradley, one variant has more ammoracks in the rear and less passengers, and the other variant has less ammo and more passengers.
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Postby Fordorsia » Sat May 24, 2014 5:51 pm

Mozria wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Maybe tight is the wrong word. Taut is probably more appropriate. Still, they're just there to stop the track from falling or and or from having the track damage itself or the fender from being too slack and flapping all over the place.

I see. I shall add them to my suspension immediately.

Silly that I did not remember to put them in before, though.


I think they're only really needed if the vehicle is likely to get up to any high speeds. The reason why many German tanks during WWII didn't have them is probably because they were all fairly slow and the tracks were so wide and heavy.
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Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

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Postby The Kievan People » Sat May 24, 2014 5:52 pm

It's an IFV for six passengers based on a heavy tank chassis with a 75mm autocannon in a remote turret. Obviously.
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat May 24, 2014 5:55 pm

My bad, it's a 90mm autocannon and a CKEM box launcher. :oops:
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Postby Purpelia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:04 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Mozria wrote:I see. I shall add them to my suspension immediately.

Silly that I did not remember to put them in before, though.


I think they're only really needed if the vehicle is likely to get up to any high speeds. The reason why many German tanks during WWII didn't have them is probably because they were all fairly slow and the tracks were so wide and heavy.

Ford is right. Basically what happens is that because tracks have to have a bit of slack as the tank moves is that the unsupported upper track will tend to flap around. And as the vehicle gets faster and faster this intensifies. And after a certain point they start bashing against both the upper fender (not important) and road wheels (which hurts). And this tends to damage the tracks. So it all depends on the speed.
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Postby Fordorsia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:12 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
I think they're only really needed if the vehicle is likely to get up to any high speeds. The reason why many German tanks during WWII didn't have them is probably because they were all fairly slow and the tracks were so wide and heavy.

Ford is right. Basically what happens is that because tracks have to have a bit of slack as the tank moves is that the unsupported upper track will tend to flap around. And as the vehicle gets faster and faster this intensifies. And after a certain point they start bashing against both the upper fender (not important) and road wheels (which hurts). And this tends to damage the tracks. So it all depends on the speed.


I'll still never understand how slack tracks flex on the top side yet are taut along the bottom. Don't even try and explain that shit to me.
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Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

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Postby Purpelia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:14 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Ford is right. Basically what happens is that because tracks have to have a bit of slack as the tank moves is that the unsupported upper track will tend to flap around. And as the vehicle gets faster and faster this intensifies. And after a certain point they start bashing against both the upper fender (not important) and road wheels (which hurts). And this tends to damage the tracks. So it all depends on the speed.


I'll still never understand how slack tracks flex on the top side yet are taut along the bottom. Don't even try and explain that shit to me.

The reason why tracks are always a bit slack in the first place is so that they can flex along the bottom. That's what happens when ever your tank drives over something and the suspension raises one of the road wheels. If they were perfectly tensioned the tracks would remain rigid whilst the wheels move up and would either break, be thrown or just make the suspension useless.
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Postby Fordorsia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:18 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
I'll still never understand how slack tracks flex on the top side yet are taut along the bottom. Don't even try and explain that shit to me.

The reason why tracks are always a bit slack in the first place is so that they can flex along the bottom. That's what happens when ever your tank drives over something and the suspension raises one of the road wheels. If they were perfectly tensioned the tracks would remain rigid whilst the wheels move up and would either break, be thrown or just make the suspension useless.


I know. I just don't understand the physics behind this.

Edit: Panthers were pretty big.
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby Purpelia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:19 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:The reason why tracks are always a bit slack in the first place is so that they can flex along the bottom. That's what happens when ever your tank drives over something and the suspension raises one of the road wheels. If they were perfectly tensioned the tracks would remain rigid whilst the wheels move up and would either break, be thrown or just make the suspension useless.


I know. I just don't understand the physics behind this.

What in particular do you not understand?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Lydenburg » Sat May 24, 2014 6:21 pm

The Kievan People wrote:My bad, it's a 90mm autocannon and a CKEM box launcher. :oops:


Are you being serious? A 90mm autocannon?

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Postby Pteroslavia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:22 pm

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Kind of wanting feedback on this, built in 1923. The engine's been modified to allow the gunner into the back turret The other ZPM-20 is in a mount next to the Driver, in the front.
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Postby Fordorsia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:24 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
I know. I just don't understand the physics behind this.

What in particular do you not understand?


The fact that the parts of the track that are in contact with the wheels are taut and shit, and the rest is slack. I try to understand it, but my subconsciousness always rests on the idea that having the track that slack would make it just make it fall of the wheels when it was driving, regardless of speed. I don't really know what I don't understand. I think I just can't understand the idea that the track can be both taut and slack at the same time, in separate places.

Like I said, don't try to explain it to me, because it will most likely not work.
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby The Kievan People » Sat May 24, 2014 6:25 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Are you being serious? A 90mm autocannon?


Yes?
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Postby Fordorsia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:25 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:
Are you being serious? A 90mm autocannon?


Yes?


I take it you mean a semi-automatic cannon, not a fully-automatic cannon?
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby New Tsavon » Sat May 24, 2014 6:26 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:
Yes?


I take it you mean a semi-automatic cannon, not a fully-automatic cannon?

He could well be using an upscaled ARES gun.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:28 pm

Fordorsia wrote:The fact that the parts of the track that are in contact with the wheels are taut and shit, and the rest is slack.

You mean the bottom track? I think it's just the fact that you can't see the slack because gravity, strong as it is can't make them bend into and through the ground.

I try to understand it, but my subconsciousness always rests on the idea that having the track that slack would make it just make it fall of the wheels when it was driving, regardless of speed. I don't really know what I don't understand. I think I just can't understand the idea that the track can be both taut and slack at the same time, in separate places.

You have to stop thinking of the track as different pieces and start thinking of it as one big rubber band.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Purpelia » Sat May 24, 2014 6:29 pm

If an autocannon can only fire in semi-auto does it still count as one?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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