Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Triplebaconation]

3 million is a T-80 or two or 33.

[Rich and Corporations]

That's a pretty hyper inflated price for a basic T-55.

Well, it's only Lamoni. He's Lyra's shopkeeper.

A mid-1960s variant was the 155mm XM123 & M123A1 auxiliary-propelled howitzers. The XM123 was produced by American Machine and Foundry and outfitted with two 20 horsepower air-cooled engines produced by Consolidated Diesel Corporation, driver’s seat, steering wheel, and guide wheel on the left trail, allowing it to be more rapidly emplaced when detached from the prime mover, while the XM123A1 provided a single 20 horsepower motor with electric steering. The extra weight on the left trail displaced the howitzer after each round was fired requiring it to be realigned and the project was abandoned. The concept was copied from the Soviet 85mm SD-44 auxiliary-propelled antitank gun developed in 1954 and used by airborne forces.

Fascinating concept.... although given past horse drawn artillery, wouldn't you only need a 5 hp engine?

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rough draft, may not update it more

Bickers MBT

Cost: 2.99 million dollars
Crew: Commander, gunner, driver
Weight: 55 tonnes
Length w/o gun: 8.7 meters
Length w/ gun forward: 9.7 meters

Main Armament: 105mm L/52 smoothbore (elevation 30 degrees, depression 5 degrees) with pepper pot muzzle brake
Coaxial armament: 0.7cm machine gun
Commander's station armament: 37mm grenade launcher and 0.7 cm machine gun

The main armament uses modern cost-effective munitions. Such as APFSDS-DU, HEAT-FRAG with a timed fuze, and the LAHAT ATGM.
The HEAT-FRAG munition is capable of timed or contact detonation. It is capable of penetration into 200mm of RHA, or 700mm of reinforced concrete,
(although with timed detonation it is capable of greater penetration) and the liner uses a special alloy of (blah, blah, and blah) to achieve incendiary beyond-armor effects. The relatively low angle of the liner reduces loss of HE filler, while making it still useful when used against lightly armored vehicles.

The armament uses a carousel autoloader.

Laser range-finder.

The point of the muzzle brake is to reduce recoil travel, allowing the gun to be depressed further than otherwise possible.

To reduce turret weight and profile, the gun is limited to depressing to 5 degrees. Outside of prepared positions, it is difficult for the tank to be hull-down.

The tank gun has a 50% chance of hitting a moving target 1000 meters away while moving.

The tank gun's two-axis stabilizer is controlled by 4x AMD R9 280 graphics cards cooled by mineral oil. The same parallelizable computations in video games are also applicable to tank stabilization, particularly in calculating the effects of gravity and objects moving in relation to each other.
The graphics cards are also used to process encrypted communications.

The turret is rotated using hydraulic motors powered from either the accumulator and/or the engine.

The tank also has a NBC overpressure system, but it is not compatible with the air conditioner which reduces interior temperatures to 90 degrees in a 100 degree desert. The tank does have cooling vests, improving crew comfort additionally.

Engine: 900 hp V-12 diesel engine
Transmission: 5 gears forward, 2 gears reverse, neutral, pivot steer, power from the engine splits from the differential to enter a torque converter for each sprocket, partially making the engine's speed independent of the sprocket speed. This is commonly referred to as an automatic transmission.
Maximum speed: 25 mph off-road, 40 mph on-road
Fuel capacity: 1,200 liters, can also use fuel bladders mounted on the sides
Operational range on internal fuel: 600 km (375 mi.)



There is a 5 kw diesel generator in the engine compartment, to power hotel loads, charge the batteries, and charge the hydraulic accumulator. In cold weather, the generator has to be turned on because the main battery pack lacks the cranking amps to start the engine.


The tank uses a combination of 24 volt lead-acid and 24-volt nickel-metal hydride batteries to power various hotel loads for up an hour of silent overwatch.


The commander's cupola has multiple wide angle laser hardened periscopes.


Protection: Acoustic sensors, similar to that used by submarines, to detect enemy armored vehicles and their position to an accuracy of 50 meters. Laser warning devices. Kontact-5 ERA to protect against KE and CE weapons. Ceramic armor modules to provide additional protection against those threats.
There is a combination of ceramic and ERA protection on the side skirts to protect against infantry attacks to the flank, which could cause an ammunition explosion.
The tank is protected against 100cm KE, and 150cm CE across the frontal arc.

The Shtora countermeasure suite can be added, but it weighs 350 kg and consumes a fair amount of electricity.

[Imperializt Russia]

I aim to have two degrees and a doctorate by the time when I finish uni.
Just need my first degree first...

ambitious. I wish you all the best in your idea. If it is not secret what are your plans for your 2 degrees and your doctorate?
Myself I am going for an Master in economy but it is still in the works.

I'm currently studying a Bachelor's in Physics with Nuclear Science. I'm hoping to do a Master's after I graduate (which constitutes having "two degrees"), the one I'd really love to do is called "Power and Technology of Nuclear Reactors".

A particle physics doctorate programme is run by one of my current lecturers, which aims to combat proliferation and reduce the impact and political minefield of nuclear plant inspection.
Which sounds kind of awesome, for its end goals.

[Anemos Major]

I aim to have two degrees and a doctorate by the time when I finish uni.
Just need my first degree first...

Ah, tell me about it.

Yeah R&C, we'll see. The best he might be able to get is a stock T-55, with no upgrades.

Given that the overall Thai purchase (including maintenance, administration costs and so on) of the T-84BM amounts to around 4.6mn USD per vehicle if you use the Jane's estimate concerning the deal's monetary value, I'd warrant you can get a fairly decently modern main battle tank (excluding additional costs, such as ammunition and maintenance) with 3mn USD. A T-55AGM, for example, is probably buyable at that price.

And that's assuming point-of-manufacture costs. It's worth noting that prices in the defence industry sway fairly heavily depending on the context at hand - the Leopard 2s Germany sold off after the Cold War, for example, didn't cost much at all given the circumstances of their sales.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

ambitious. I wish you all the best in your idea. If it is not secret what are your plans for your 2 degrees and your doctorate?
Myself I am going for an Master in economy but it is still in the works.

I'm currently studying a Bachelor's in Physics with Nuclear Science. I'm hoping to do a Master's after I graduate (which constitutes having "two degrees"), the one I'd really love to do is called "Power and Technology of Nuclear Reactors".

A particle physics doctorate programme is run by one of my current lecturers, which aims to combat proliferation and reduce the impact and political minefield of nuclear plant inspection.
Which sounds kind of awesome, for its end goals.

That is pretty good. I wish you the best of luck in those studies. Myself I am a much more standard person. Economy doctorate is what I aim at after some time from now.

[Rich and Corporations]

It's worth noting that prices in the defence industry sway fairly heavily depending on the context at hand -

it's like you never heard of supply and demand, and are coming up with new ways to explain it

[Triplebaconation]

ambitious. I wish you all the best in your idea. If it is not secret what are your plans for your 2 degrees and your doctorate?
Myself I am going for an Master in economy but it is still in the works.

I'm currently studying a Bachelor's in Physics with Nuclear Science. I'm hoping to do a Master's after I graduate (which constitutes having "two degrees"), the one I'd really love to do is called "Power and Technology of Nuclear Reactors".

A particle physics doctorate programme is run by one of my current lecturers, which aims to combat proliferation and reduce the impact and political minefield of nuclear plant inspection.
Which sounds kind of awesome, for its end goals.

That's an odd-sounding degree.

I'm working on my cosmetology certificate.

I'm too pretty for math, but I think supply and demand applies only tenuously to tanks.

[The Kievan People]

And that's assuming point-of-manufacture costs. It's worth noting that prices in the defence industry sway fairly heavily depending on the context at hand - the Leopard 2s Germany sold off after the Cold War, for example, didn't cost much at all given the circumstances of their sales.

I suspect the proliferation of offsets and support contracting is a major factor in pushing up export prices these days. Especially when the customer is a developing country.

[Anemos Major]

It's worth noting that prices in the defence industry sway fairly heavily depending on the context at hand -

it's like you never heard of supply and demand, and are coming up with new ways to explain it

And just like that, decades and decades of economic inquiry just flies over your head...

In a field where you can literally theorise state military materiel demand on the basis that the state itself is a Veblen consumer, I think it's high time you graduated from the first hour of high-school economics. (just a suggestion!)

E: And if you don't want to, at least rid yourself of the misapprehension that knowing the content of that first hour is particularly impressive - for your good and mine.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm currently studying a Bachelor's in Physics with Nuclear Science. I'm hoping to do a Master's after I graduate (which constitutes having "two degrees"), the one I'd really love to do is called "Power and Technology of Nuclear Reactors".

A particle physics doctorate programme is run by one of my current lecturers, which aims to combat proliferation and reduce the impact and political minefield of nuclear plant inspection.
Which sounds kind of awesome, for its end goals.

That's an odd-sounding degree.

I'm working on my cosmetology certificate.

I'm too pretty for math, but I think supply and demand applies only tenuously to tanks.

Physics and Technology of Nuclear Reactors, it turns out.
http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/postgraduat ... verviewTab
The same university apparently offers a degree in "nuclear decommissioning", interestingly.

Huh. Apparently, my current university has now introduced a swathe of nuclear technology Masters that weren't there when I joined.

[Gallia-]

*Swath.

A swathe is a strip of cloth.

[Anemos Major]

That's an odd-sounding degree.

I'm working on my cosmetology certificate.

I'm too pretty for math, but I think supply and demand applies only tenuously to tanks.

Physics and Technology of Nuclear Reactors, it turns out.
http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/postgraduat ... verviewTab
The same university apparently offers a degree in "nuclear decommissioning", interestingly.

Huh. Apparently, my current university has now introduced a swathe of nuclear technology Masters that weren't there when I joined.

For the competitive price of 8,500 pounds only, you too could earn the right to pontificate on matters as diverse as nuclear proliferation to global environmental catastrophe and beyond with no working technical understanding of any of these things and a shaky adherence to either scientism or assumed philosophical superiority!

I like to think we put the BS in BSc.

[Rich and Corporations]

it's like you never heard of supply and demand, and are coming up with new ways to explain it

And just like that, decades and decades of economic inquiry just flies over your head...

In a field where you can literally theorise state military materiel demand on the basis that the state itself is a Veblen consumer, I think it's high time you graduated from the first hour of high-school economics. (just a suggestion!)

E: And if you don't want to, at least rid yourself of the misapprehension that knowing the content of that first hour is particularly impressive - for your good and mine.

American economics classes never teach Veblen. He's too radical.

But with all due respect, I came to my conclusion based on your long winded sentence, which could have just as easily and perhaps even as well, be said as "Due to a loss of demand from the end of the Cold War, the Leopard 2 tanks were sold at firesale prices."
One could certainly go into the specifics as to why a loss in demand doesn't result in a corresponding spontaneous decrease in supply, but that's for the eleventh hour of economics.

*Swath.

A swathe is a strip of cloth.

Herr Gallia- I hereby swear allegiance to your mastery in technical matters and in technicalities.

[Gallia-]

I don't claim mastery over anything, I just know the difference between effect and affect.

[Golheim]

Tried my hand at an APC. I used the XA-185 as reference, though I strayed quite a bit on accident.
Link to XA-185:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi

Pictures

It currently has a 50 cal mounted. I might do an auto cannon later.

[Rich and Corporations]

I don't claim mastery over anything, I just know the difference between effect and affect.

To be honest, very few actions considered to be an effect are actually an effect.

[Questers]

Tried my hand at an APC. I used the XA-185 as reference, though I strayed quite a bit on accident.
Link to XA-185:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi

Pictures

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It currently has a 50 cal mounted. I might do an auto cannon later.

This is excellent.

[Gallia-]

Tried my hand at an APC. I used the XA-185 as reference, though I strayed quite a bit on accident.
Link to XA-185:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi

Pictures

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It currently has a 50 cal mounted. I might do an auto cannon later.

It's good.

Is the MG remote controlled?

[New Vihenia]

Am i the only one here studying Biology ? :3 My Bsc is from there..No plans yet for master's degree.. So i'm currently floating in limbo.
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Aside from that..I'm still looking some material for transmission selection.. So far i'm inclined to use electric transmission for my tanks.. BUT obviously i cannot play blind for other type of transmission.

So how ppl out there choose their transmisson type :3 ?

[Crookfur]

Am i the only one here studying Biology ? :3 My Bsc is from there..No plans yet for master's degree.. So i'm currently floating in limbo.
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Aside from that..I'm still looking some material for transmission selection.. So far i'm inclined to use electric transmission for my tanks.. BUT obviously i cannot play blind for other type of transmission.

So how ppl out there choose their transmisson type :3 ?

Well i ended up with a generic life sciences BSc and then did a masters in Information management systems (basic IT with some management bullsh!t thrown in).

[The Akasha Colony]

Aside from that..I'm still looking some material for transmission selection.. So far i'm inclined to use electric transmission for my tanks.. BUT obviously i cannot play blind for other type of transmission.

So how ppl out there choose their transmisson type :3 ?

I had used hydrostatic in the past, but due to the cooling issues beyond a certain weight, switched to EVT since I wanted to be able to emulate a CVT of some kind, and the powerplant itself was already hybrid electric. At some point or another Vitaphone Racing will probably be by, and will probably mention again that pure electric transmissions will weigh a good deal more than a mechanical or power-split hybrid.

[Hustle land]

MBT
T-34 (infantry support):20
T-55AGM: 43
T-80u: 38
T-90m: 25
Is this good for a small country?
I have no real idea what I'm doing.

[Imperializt Russia]

If you're still operating T-34s as a mainline vehicle, you're probably unlikely to be able to acquire the T-90. Or the T-80U. T-72s would probably stretch things, but T-62s and T-55s and T-54s would be well within reach. Maybe even a T-64, which you could then uprate.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

The leopard 2 were sold at firesale prices due to German, dutch and other states selling of it stocks of leopard MBT's thanks to budget cuts in their military budgets. A brand new Leopard 2A6 from KMW costs around 4.5 million euros. So please lets stop the debate there rich and corporations.

MBT
T-34 (infantry support):20
T-55AGM: 43
T-80u: 38
T-90m: 25
Is this good for a small country?
I have no real idea what I'm doing.

Hmm if you are a rich country maybe. But the T 34 used as infantry support suggest otherwise.

[Oaledonia]

The leopard 2 were sold at firesale prices due to German, dutch and other states selling of it stocks of leopard MBT's thanks to budget cuts in their military budgets. A brand new Leopard 2A6 from KMW costs around 4.5 million euros. So please lets stop the debate there rich and corporations.

MBT
T-34 (infantry support):20
T-55AGM: 43
T-80u: 38
T-90m: 25
Is this good for a small country?
I have no real idea what I'm doing.

Hmm if you are a rich country maybe. But the T 34 used as infantry support suggest otherwise.

If he was rich then he would not be using Russian equipment.