Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

by **Zeinbrad** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:17 pm

Putput two, putput harder.

I tried to give more information.

by **Anemos Major** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:20 pm

Retoasting this in full for the OP list. Feedback is very much appreciated.

Type: Medium tank
Nation of Origin: First Anemonian Empire
In service: 1942-45

Crew: 5 men (Commander, Gunner, Loader in turret, Driver, Radio Operator in hull)
Radio: Modelyr 40 YNF (VHF, AM)

Combat weight: 32,200kg
Length: 6.78m (hull), 7.64m (gun forward)
Width: 3.35m
Height: 2.62m (to top of hatch)
Armor (mm): 15-88mm
Vehicle construction: Multiple casting welded steel (hull and turret)

Armament:
- Primary: 75mm M.39 L/38
- Secondary: 2x Mlyr. 40 7.7mm GPMG (co-axial, hull ball mount)
Ammunition:
- Primary: 75mm, 80 rounds (reduced to 70)
- Secondary: 7.7mm, 5000-5300 rounds
Turret:
- Traverse: Hand & Hydraulic
- Traverse Rate: 25 degrees/sec
- Elevation/Depression: +20/-12.5 (manual)

Optics:
- Gunner: Sighting telescope (stadiametric rangefinder, 2.5x magnification, 25 degree field of view)
- Commander: One piece periscope (forward facing, 2x magnification, 20 degrees field of view)
- Driver: Two piece vision block (forward/left facing, 1x magnification)

Engine: Marsyn Mlyr. 40 'Barracuda' water-cooled V12 26L gasoline engine producing 650hp (~480kW)
P/W ratio: 20.19hp/t
Transmission: Marsyn T40 Constant Mesh (6 forward, 1 reverse)
Steering: Controlled differential, steering levers
Brakes: Mechanical, external contracting

Suspension: Torsion bar
Road wheels: Five individually sprung
Track return rollers: Four
Drive sprocket: 12-tooth rear drive
Idler: Adjustable, forward
Shock absorbers: On first and last 2 road wheels

Fuel Capacity: 510l
Speed:
- Road: 58km/h
- Off-road: 10-20km/h
Cruising range: 240km (Road)
Gradient: 60 degrees
Fording depth: 0.9m (1.2m prepared)
Trench crossing: 2.3m
Vertical obstacle: 0.91m

Background:

Developed as a hasty response to the overwhelming and increasing superiority of enemy 'Panzer' formations against Anemonian A35 'Thakre' tanks upon the outbreak of war with the Ragnosian Empire in 1938, the A41 marked the first of a highly successful series of tanks which would form the backbone of the Anemonian Imperial Army from its introduction into service in early 1942 to the bloody end of the war in 1949. Combining a highly sophisticated drivetrain for its time with an adequate armament far superior to the 47mm guns carried by the most sophisticated 'late' variants of the Thakre and bringing a level of protection hitherto unseen by the outdated Anemonian armoured corps, the A41's entrance into service, though soon to be overshadowed by the arrival of more sophisticated Ragnosian tanks, nonetheless marked a turning of the tides in a war that had, for four years, threatened the collapse of the Anemonian Empire. Introduced into service in 1942, the outdated nature of the tank's comparatively low velocity 75mm armament together with the opening of the land route to Duchy Fierei's sophisticated armaments industry in the autumn of 1942 led to its being withdrawn from frontline service from late 1943 onwards in favour of its successor, the A43.

Design:

Featuring a multiple casting welded steel hull and turret construction, the metallurgical techniques employed in the A41 were considerably more sophisticated and correspondingly effective than those employed on its riveted predecessor. Sloped facings on the tank's forward hull, together with tapering slopes on either side leading into the hull sides, were designed to maximise the tank's internal capacity while maximising the tank's effective protection, a breakthrough reached inadvertently by design teams struggling to meet the Imperial Army's demanding dual tank capacity and protection requirements. With armour protection on the A41 ranging from 15mm on the weakest points of its hull up to 88m along the turret front, the A41's protection was considered sufficient at the time of its introduction; however, with the introduction of longer barreled weapons in the 75mm range and above alongside increasingly effective armour-piercing ammunition onto the battlefield, the tank quickly found itself lacking in terms of armour, and later revisions featured anti-magnetic coating and additional welded plates along the hull and turret fronts in an effort to compensate against improvements in enemy technology and capabilities. The final revisions to the tank, introduced into service in 1943, carried 2-inch smoke launchers set to fire out to 200m in an effort to obscure enemy vision to allow the A41 to rapidly advance to ranges where its increasingly outdated 75mm gun would be able to penetrate the enemy's similarly increasingly heavy protection.

Contemporary reports dating from the tank's initial introduction in 1942 suggest that the 'maximised' ammunition storage of 80 rounds aboard the tank, initially designed as such to maximise the effect had by the few early production tanks during their introcuctory period on the battlefield, contributed to a considerable incidence of post-penetration ammunition fires aboard the tank, and by Revision III it had been reduced to 70 rounds, with water jackets around more vulnerable storage implemented alongside 'ready' ammunition racks closer to the loader's station to bring more ammunition up behind the relatively superior protection of the turret.

The A41's layout was designed from the ground up to be comparatively uncontroversial, following a classical pattern to allow for simple crew training and transfers and to facilitate construction. The driver was seated at the front-left of the hull, utilising a two-piece, 1x magnification forward/left facing vision block for peripheral vision. This considerable design flaw, later remedied on the A43, was necessitated by the A41's compact design and the sloping of the turret, which necessarily meant that any attempt to install peripheral vision blocks or a driver's post at the top of the frontal hull would interfere with the turret's traverse, while the installation of a driver's flap on the forward hull would compromise the vehicle's protection - both were mooted. To the right of the driver, the radio operator was similarly located in the hull. As well as operating the Modelyr 40 7.7mm machine-gun, the radio operator was responsible for the employment of the Modelyr 40 YNF radio sets that were installed, for the first time in an Anemonian armoured vehicle, across every operating tank. Most tanks in a platoon were, however, only equipped with the Modelyr 40's receiver unit, with the platoon leader's vehicle in possession of a full transmit/receive unit used to communicate information to and from both the platoon below and the relevant headquarters above. The gunner was seated in the front-left of the turret, with the commander's station and hatch access directly behind and the loader seated to the right of the breech (with access after Revision III to a ready supply of ammunition).

The armament of the A41, the relatively uncontroversial 75mm M.39 L/38 rifled gun, was derived from a series of proposals for tank-destroyer modifications to late variant Thakre tanks put forward during the earlier years of the war. Where the Fierei Arsenals had been pushing for the adoption of a newer tank model, the Arsenals closer to the capital in the Fyrkondierikan region had been arguing instead for further modifications to the Thakre; with the isolation of the Duchy of Fierei to the north by 1939 as the Ragnosian advance cut off vast swathes of the nation, the 75mm gun was gradually accepted to be the only workable suggestion for the A41's main armament given the military situation at hand. Initially loaded with shot Armour Piercing, Capped (APC) rounds equipped with ballistic caps for better arodynamics and shell High-Explosive rounds, later variants of the A41 were issued with limited numbers of somewhat more powerful, if not unstable, Armour Piercing Composite, Rigid (APCR) rounds. The L/38 75mm gun, firing larger rounds than the late-model Thakre tanks at higher velocities, proved capable in service of penetrating the armour of most earlier generation Panzers across most arcs, but with the introduction of both later and upgraded models the tanks were found to be at a serious disadvantage in terms of both armament and protection, precipitating the rushed development of the A43. Alongside the 75mm gun, the A41 carried a co-axial 7.7mm machine-gun and one in a hull position.

The optics carried by the tank were of a mixed pedigree, with the quality difference between that utilised by the gunner and the commander generally understood to be considerable. The gunner's station was equipped with a sophisticated sighting telescope manufactured in Duchy Fierei; as well as featuring a remarkably clear sight picture, the 2.5x magnification sight was nonetheless able to offer a 25 degree field of view, impressive in comparative terms. Rangefinding was conducted via a stadiametric rangefinder incorporated into the sight. However, the clear sight picture and wide field of view were both a testament to the sophistication of the armaments industry of northern Anemos, and with the isolation of Duchy Fierei in 1939 in particular the supply of high quality optics began to dwindle. The decision was taken to exclusively equip the all-important gunner's posts with these sophisticated sights, and the commander's position was, accordingly, equipped with a lower quality Fyrkondierikan manufactured 2x magnification sight with a comparatively unimpressive 20 degree field of view and, according to contemporary reports, a clouded sight picture that would, in poorer visibility conditions, effectively render the sight useless.

The one area where the tank shone in particular was its drivetrain, which was fairly sophisticated for its time. The heart of this drivetrain was the A41's powerful and reliable Marsyn Modelyr 40 'Barracuda'; an immense 12 cylinder gasoline engine with a displacement of 26L, the engine was rated to a considerable 650hp. The powerful Barracuda, initially designed as an aircraft engine for racing planes, was coupled with the rugged Marsyn T40 transmission; a constant mesh system, the transmission proved itself effective with its low maintenance requirements and its smoothness of use, bridling the tank's difficult powerplant against most expectations. The steering on the tank was a simple single radius system with a fixed turning radius for each gear, operated via a pair of steering levers. The powerful and reliable powerplant of the A41 was, of course, the product of some trial and error; pre-production Mlyr. 39 engines exhibited considerable problems in the form of frequent engine fires due to the vehicle's sloppy production quality, and the use of isolated fuel lines and much improved engine ventilation alongside superior production in the eventual Mlyr. 40 drivetrains contributed to the reduction of peak operating temperatures and the creation of a highly reliable powerplant.

The tank's suspension was a somewhat complex torsion bar suspension, with bars running through the hull between asymmetric mountings on either side of the hull and symmetric road wheels on either side of the torsion bars. The first and last two road wheels of the tank were fitted with shock absorbers, with the second absorber from the front designed to absorb significant shocks at the expense of bulk and weight so as to prevent any significant shocks while mobile to the tank's centre of gravity, so as to increase accuracy while on the move; though no significant documented instances exist where this capability was vindicated aboard the A41, its inclusion would prove to be wise in later generations of the tank family. On either side the drivetrain was rear-driven by a 12-tooth sprocket, with tension adjusted at the front idler and the tracks kept in place by five road-wheels, supported by four return rollers. Though this system proved to be acceptably stable, the maintenance requirements of the torsion bar, especially in the early years as production quality on the suspension was inconsistent at best, proved to be significant, and the system's use of bars running through the vehicle inevitably led to its comparatively high hull profile.

Development:

When an incident concerning an outlying island to the north of the Anemonian mainland broke out into a declaration of war by the Ragnosian Empire, the Anemonians were caught unaware; by the time the vanguard of the Ragnosian had begun their long and rapid march across the islands of the archipelago, they had only scarcely begun to mobilise. It was the summer of 1938, and the Anemonians were not to know for another thirty years that the incident, and the subsequent declaration, had been premediated and prepared over the fifteen years following the first defeat of the Ragnosians at the hands of a then prepared Anemonian Empire. The rapid and ruthless enemy advance, spearheaded by the most sophisticated tanks and aircraft of their time, cut a bloody swathe across Anemonian lands and drove the Pronged Crown's troops back and further back until they were hemmed into the southern mainland, and into the ring of mountains that encircled the caldera within which the Anemonian capital and its outlying industrial lands sprawled, within the enemy's reach for the first time in hundreds of years ; it was into this desperate battlefield that the A41 was born.

During the years following the First Ragnosian War, as it is retrospectively known, the limited Anemonian experiences with light armour in the closing days of the war led to the creation of two primary 'camps' of armoured theory. The first of these, spearheaded by the more radical theorists of the age and backed by the influence of the industrial magnates of the north, called for the mechanisation of the military at large and the creation of a rapid manoeuvre force alongside heavy breakthrough contingents to create a military force that would be able to outpace, outgun and outlast their enemies on the battlefield on all fronts. The latter, however, was more sceptical on many counts, ranging from the inherent potential of armoured vehicles to the need for substantial military forces in the first place following the devastating Ragnosian defeat, and called for a token force of armoured vehicles to satisfy basic needs while redirecting more funds to the reserve activation infrastructure and weapons that could be put into long term storage while diverting the majority of existing funds into the economic recovery of the nation. Where the general staff intended to pursue a middle ground as a means by which to placate both parties, the Imperial Government, heavily influenced by the united and highly influential agricultural populations to the south, agreed that significant cuts were necessary in order to achieve a post-war recovery, and the armoured development of the Anemonian military was kept to a bare minimum.

In this poorly funded post-war environment, the Anemonian military's armoured doctrine centred around the need to adopt a single 'core' armoured vehicle, on the basis of which a family of vehicles would be developed and put into service across the relevant branches. However, the prioritisation of the requisite development projects found itself pushed further downwards in a low funding environment characterised by competition between the few remaining ambitious projects for the military, and as disputes simmered between Army, Navy and Air Force between standard issue self-loading rifles, prestige battleships and sleek new fighter aircraft respectively, the 'standard tank' was only budgeted for beginning in 1930. Entering a protracted period of development, the product of the program could be said to be distinctly disappointing; though a perfectly adequate tank for its time, the vehicle was comparatively underpowered and its light cannon armament reflected a serious decline in the development of Anemonian armoured doctrine following the end of the war.

By the time the Ragnosian invasion swept across the Anemonian mainland, the latest production variants of the A35 were equipped with 47mm guns that, while adequate against the vehicles opposite, found themselves matched with unreliable and poorly protected tanks. With the rapid mobilisation of reserves preventing the outright collapse of the Anemonian military, rapid and well exploited landing operations along the northern shorelines of the Empire forced the Army to begin a controlled retreat along its northern-eastern arc, losing tens and hundreds of tanks per engagement as the General Headquarters in Anemos Rei sought to reverse the tide of the war at any potential opportunity - and at many non-opportunities, such was their panic. While the generals on the battlefield bickered over the next major sacrifice that would need to be made, a handful of generals who had pushed some years ago for the Thakre program and, upon its eventual failure, advocated the development of a new family of tanks, began to gain considerable influence in the halls of power and in early-1939 they were given a direct Imperial mandate to oversee the creation of a tank that would be able to reverse the tides of battle against the unchallenged Ragnosian panzers. A cadre of officers, making use of the support of the industrial cities of the north, had gained the support of the regional military leadership of the Duchy of Fierei during the interbellum and, with their support, had conducted extensive research on key tank components alongside the region' sophisticated military-industrial complex; the generals hoped to use their expertise alongside a newly built hull to create an effective medium tank without investing resources and time that they did not have on research and testing.

However, in 1939, disaster struck. Seizing the iniative from the defensive Anemonian military, 6. Panzerdivision under Generalleutnant Kuhn employed their numerically inferior tanks to great and devastating effect. utilising screening forces to push the Anemonian 2nd Armoured Division (Markalt) and the 4th Fierei Division (Tolten) along separate arcs, south and north respectively, Kuhn then committed the majority of his forces and drove a wedge between the two divisions, threatening their supply lines and forcing them to break their defensive lines and fully retreat in opposite directions. The two divisions immediately returned to the offensive, attempting to re-establish communications in what became known as the Sixty Days Offensive, but at its conclusion in the autumn of that year the divide remained extant and the Duchy of Fierei was declared isolated by General Headquarters. For the Anemonians, it was a strategic disaster and marked the beginning of three long years in the north and south against the military superiority of the Ragnosian invaders. For the generals tasked with building the tanks, it was a materiel disaster that underscored their need to complete their tank as soon as possible; under the able leadership of Third Marshal Tielen, the expectations for the vehicle were revised downwards in light of the loss of Fierei, and developmental work began in earnest.

Managing to secure the productive facilities for cast tank bodies and turrets in sufficient quantities, and identifying the 75mm M.39 cannon as the weapon of choice for the new tank, Tielen's development team were able to secure the developmental groundwork and key productive facilities for the tank in all but two key areas; the optics, and the crucial drivetrain. In the former case, the Imperial Anemonian Fleet, under the flag of the battleship Erenthiei, were able to drive the Ragnosian Fleet temporarily from the Western Anemonian Sea, allowing a convoy of vessels from Fierei to circle around the mainland and dock in directly controlled territory; these vessels, amongst a variety of war materiel, carried a limited supply of high quality sighting optics that proved more than sufficient for the designers of the A41; pairing them with lower quality Fyrkondierikan manufactured equivalents within each A41 vehicle to ensure that as many gunners as possible received the higher quality Fierei sights, the occasional shipments permitted the production of a considerable number of A41 tanks. Alongside these shipments, however, the performance figures and dimensions of a higher velocity gun being tested in Duchy Fierei were relayed to Marshal Tielen's development group, allowing them to begin work on the amendment of the as of yet incomplete A41 design towards its eventual A43 standard.

The search for the drivetrain proved, however, to be a more difficult one, and as of early 1941 the first compatibility tests with the Project 507 ten-cylinder air-cooled radial engine, the intended successor to the Thakre's original powerplant, showed that the engine was both underpowered in light of the then-secret A43 requirement and prone to rapid overheating. Though further development of the 507 was to be pursued, it was understood by those under Tielen that a failure to produce a working tank within a year potentially marked the end of the Anemonian war effort as increasingly capable Panzers took the field against desperately modified and less numerous Thakre tanks; with the widespread introduction of 5cm guns across the enemy's earlier model tanks, their ability to withstanding the continued assaults of the Ragnosian Army was becoming increasingly less certain. On a tip from a personal acquaintance in the then Imperial Air Service, a major by that point who had been drafted in from his civilian service as a racing pilot, Marshal Tielen paid a visit to the Myrstirei based Corporatyr Marsyn, a racing aircraft manufacturer whose premises had closed down upon when its staff had been called up for service in 1938. There, he found a fatalistic engineer and, deep within the bowels of his dusty workshops, his final creation; the Barracuda.

A powerful gasoline engine created in 1936 for use by racing aircraft, Marsyn's 'Barracuda' was especially notable in that it had already been tested in 1939 by the Army at large as the Modelyr 39, when it had proven itself to be powerful, but displayed in turn an undesirable tendency to catch fire during otherwise stable operation. By this point, the Army and Air Service alike had rejected the engine on the spot, and thus the Marsyn workshops had closed down; however, via his acquaintance, Tielen was made privy to the information that the Modelyr 39 as tested by the Army was not the 1936 Barracuda model as built by the Marsyn workshops, but a model created to its specifications at a Fyrkondierikan factory - and that the example had exhibited considerable manufacturing failures during post-testing examination. Unaware of this fact, Marsyn had refined the Barracuda over the preceding year into what would come to be known as the 'Modelyr 40' following its exceedingly successful testing by the Tielen team, the same, powerful engine fitted with superior ventilation and isolated fuel lines to prevent gas fumes from building up and catching fire within the engine bay. The 650hp produced by the engine was remarkably stable considering its sheer power, and the transmission designed between Marsyn and the military at the time, the T40, was a straightforward, reliable and smooth constant mesh design that proved more than adequate to accommodate the engine. The torsion bar suspension as used on the A41 was developed on the basis of plans smuggled into Anemos Rei from Fierei, and the rapid completion of the first testing vehicle in mid-1941 was evidence enough of a vehicle that had, remarkably enough, come together over a few years as one of the more capable tanks of its time. Accepted for service later that year as the A41, the tank was rapidly pushed into serial production and saw service for the first time early next year under the banner of the 2nd Armoured Division.

Service:

The A41's introduction into service in 1942, though not necessarily apparent at the time, marked the beginning of the turning of the tides of the war. Engaging the enemy for the first time in a company-sized engagement between elements of the Anemonian IV Lancers, 5th Cavalry Brigade and the Panzer III Ausführung Js of 20. Panzerbrigade, on the 22nd January, 1942, the engagement was recorded as being a one-sided slaughter, with the Panzer IIIs failing to penetrate the frontal armour of the A41s before being routed in an engagement at 1000m and closing. Throughout 1942, combat involving A41 tanks could be seen to be similarly overwhelming for the Ragnosians throughout - even for the more capable Panzer IVs, the violent replacement of the familiar Thakre by the far more capable A41 tank was not easily reconcilable to their crews, and initial engagements saw the A41 claiming significant casualties on the Ragnosian side at no significant cost to their own.

In late 1942, the success of the A41 on the Fyrkondierikan front, together with the slow strangulation of Ragnosian supply lines at sea by the Imperial Fleet, led to a noticeable weakening of their offensives along the Fyrkondierikan front. Come November, intelligence was seized by the Fleet concerning the absence of Generalleutnant Kuhn from the front owing to his attendance of a General Staff meeting in the Ragnosian homeland. Immediately seizing the opportunity, the Markalt Division was dispatched north through the Hintyr Pass and immediately commenced offensive operations against the outlying forces of 6. Panzerdivision, and though Kuhn's rapid return and marshalling of his forces nearly proved to be the undoing of the Division for a second time, the timely arrival of the 2nd Fierei Division under Divisional Marshal Telmar Yrenthis and their blunting of the edge of Kuhn's counterattack gave Anemonian forces sufficient time to regroup and form defensive positions; despite successive attacks by 6. Panzerdivision, reinforced by 8. Panzerdivision and 2. Gardebrigade (Panzer) along the Fyrkondierikan flank, the defensive positions held and the land corridor with Fierei was secured once more.

Over the subsequent year, the earlier victories of the A41 were rapidly reversed as Ragnosian Panzer Vs and VIs tore across open country defeating the now overwhelmingly underarmed and underarmoured tanks ruthlessly and effectively, allayed only by the emergency procurement of the C42 Assault Gun and various makeshift tank destroyers. But the corridor with Fierei had allowed the A41's developers to put their forward planning to practical use, with developmental work and prototyping continuing at breakneck speed. By the dusk of 1943, it had become clear that the A41's place on the battlefield had come to an end; on December 1st, 1943, the first Yrdentsyr A43 entered active service in the Imperial Army.

by **Purpelia** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:27 pm

Golheim wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Give it a taper so that it's thicker at the turret end, than add a recuperator to the middle of the barrel and a coaxial machine gun and it will look fine.

Will do. Also double checking. The recuperator is the "hump" in the middle of the barrel like on the Abrams?

Yes.

by **Anemos Major** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:31 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Golheim wrote:
Will do. Also double checking. The recuperator is the "hump" in the middle of the barrel like on the Abrams?

Yes.

's not a recuperator, that's a bore evacuator. Which can be in the middle of the gun, like the Rheinmetall 120mm series, or closer to the base of the gun, like JSW's 120mm for the Type 10, or not there at all (like the AMX-30 or Leclerc), if you decide to use, say, a compressed air scavenging system instead.

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:32 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Golheim wrote:
Will do. Also double checking. The recuperator is the "hump" in the middle of the barrel like on the Abrams?

Yes.

Still havn't added the machinegun, but Is this better?

by **Purpelia** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:32 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Yes.

's not a recuperator, that's a bore evacuator. Which can be in the middle of the gun, like the Rheinmetall 120mm series, or closer to the base of the gun, like JSW's 120mm for the Type 10, or not there at all (like the AMX-30 or Leclerc), if you decide to use, say, a compressed air scavenging system instead.

My bad completely. I always get those dam things mixed up.

This said, I know it's not mandatory. But I advised for it anyway simply since it would fit nicely and add a bit of extra bulk to his barrel which he seemed to want.

See his new render. It looks much better with it.

by **Antarticaria** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:53 pm

Anyone know the link to that bullet trajectory and simulation site? Like I input bullet parameters and have it run a simulation for drop, trajectory and impact? Im working on a armor setup and Im curious what its resistance is and would like to tweak it. Any help is good thanks!

by **Purpelia** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:57 pm

Antarticaria wrote:Anyone know the link to that bullet trajectory and simulation site? Like I input bullet parameters and have it run a simulation for drop, trajectory and impact? Im working on a armor setup and Im curious what its resistance is and would like to tweak it. Any help is good thanks!

http://www.geoffrey-kolbe.com/external_ballistics.htm

by **Antarticaria** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:57 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Antarticaria wrote:Anyone know the link to that bullet trajectory and simulation site? Like I input bullet parameters and have it run a simulation for drop, trajectory and impact? Im working on a armor setup and Im curious what its resistance is and would like to tweak it. Any help is good thanks!

http://www.geoffrey-kolbe.com/external_ballistics.htm

Thanks!

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:03 pm

Added the machinegun though it seems too small to me. Also I have no idea how to make one and all the pictures i can find are zoomed out so im kinda just guessing.

by **Purpelia** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:04 pm

Golheim wrote:Added the machinegun though it seems too small to me. Also I have no idea how to make one and all the pictures i can find are zoomed out so im kinda just guessing.

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A machine gun is supposed to be small. At least compared to the main gun. Since you know, the later tends to be between 10 and 15 times larger in caliber. This said, when I said coaxial machine gun I meant the kind you mount coaxially. As in, on the gun mantle next to the main gun.

See this image. Notice the machine gun that's mounted right above the guys head.

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:06 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Golheim wrote:Added the machinegun though it seems too small to me. Also I have no idea how to make one and all the pictures i can find are zoomed out so im kinda just guessing.

(Image)

A machine gun is supposed to be small. At least compared to the main gun. Since you know, the later tends to be between 10 and 15 times larger in caliber. This said, when I said coaxial machine gun I meant the kind you mount coaxially. As in, on the gun mantle next to the main gun.

Oh, sorry, that is a dum dum on my part. I have always though coaxial meant it was mounted on top. lol

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:13 pm

by **Purpelia** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:15 pm

Golheim wrote:Boom

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Now notice how the overall size of the front armament should appear bulkier and more friendly.
Now add some sights and stuff to the turret and mantle to complete the look.

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:29 pm

Better? I dont realy know what else to put.

by **Purpelia** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:29 pm

Golheim wrote:Better? I dont realy know what else to put.

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You've got it all there as far as I am concerned. At least as far as the front of the turret is in question.

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:37 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Golheim wrote:Better? I dont realy know what else to put.

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You've got it all there as far as I am concerned. At least as far as the front of the turret is in question.

I really just want to add everything that makes it operational so that I can make some statistics for it. I dont want to miss anything big.

by **Antarticaria** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:38 pm

Alright this is my strive for a official light tank for my nation, in other words, rip into it with anything you find wrong (besides the lack of model work on the model, its a work in progress and Im missing alot, Im mostly hoping for everyone to rip into the text based information), so go to town and let it rip NS!

by **The Soodean Imperium** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:09 pm

Golheim wrote:
Purpelia wrote:You've got it all there as far as I am concerned. At least as far as the front of the turret is in question.

I really just want to add everything that makes it operational so that I can make some statistics for it. I dont want to miss anything big.

Well, at a quick glance:

-The optics should be on the top of the turret, not the front of it. That way, there's no gap in the armor for the instruments to pass through.
-The co-axial MG should only have to swivel up and down; based on that mounting, it looks like you're leaving room for it to swivel side-to-side, which (likewise) creates a gap in the armor.
The front of the turret and the front of the hull are almost always the most likely places to be hit, so they're almost always the most important to armor.

Otherwise, you're making progress. As I suggested, before you add anything, see where it's placed on real vehicles; turret-front optics and swiveling co-axial guns were present on a few designs pre-WWII, but since then they seem to have been eliminated due to the problems they cause.

by **Purpelia** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:13 pm

Relevant, sight layout on a modern tank.

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:19 pm

I see. I wouldn't have even thought about it like that. thanks guys

by **Zeinbrad** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:22 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:Putput two, putput harder.

I tried to give more information.

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By-spacegoblin
Name-Kenafult FT.
Type-Light Tank.
Designer-Jon Piquet
In Service-1850-1872.
Used By-The Fran Empire.
Number Produced-1,560.
Weight-6.3 tonnes
Suspension-Tension.
Fuel Capacity-410 liters.
Combat Range- 37 miles
Speed- On road-25 mph.
Off road-15 mph.
Armor-22mm
Engine- Kenafult 4-cyl, 4.5 liter, water-cooled . Gasoline (petrol) pump. Engine oil pump . Zenith preset carburetor. Magneto ignition.
Main Armament-Potchiss 37mm tank gun.
Secondary Armament-7mm machine gun.
Ammunition- 37mm-90 rounds.
Machine Gun-2,400 rounds.
Combat History-Main tank of the Fran Empire armored forces during the Not!Crimea war.

I still don't if it's okay for this to have more armor than the T-1, a medium tank....

by **Registug** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:38 pm

Mozria, the reason the end of your tank barrel looks bigger is because of a renderer setting you're using, where things closer to the camera are made bigger than things farther away. There should be a setting in your view options to change it to isometric or something of the like, which will make all the components stay the same size in proportion toeach other. This was a problem I used to have in Inventor.

by **Golheim** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:44 pm

There. I Think thats good.

by **The Kievan People** » Wed May 14, 2014 8:06 pm

Golheim wrote:There. I Think thats good.

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