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Should the United States Annex Mexico?

YES!
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22%
No.
44
16%
Hell no!
166
60%
Undecided.
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The Fascist American Empire
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Should the United States Annex Mexico?

Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:05 am

Canton Empire wrote:I think we should lead "drug busts" on illegals as in find them and deport them. let no one immigrate if their home country always turns up immigrates(you know what im talking about). we should also threaten mexico with a declaration of war. and then if illegals continue to come we take over mexico, thus ending illegal immigration(well a big chunk)


So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

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Postby Darwinish Brentsylvania » Sun May 04, 2014 8:07 am

No.

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Postby Ecans » Sun May 04, 2014 8:07 am

Only if the US is looking for another war.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun May 04, 2014 8:09 am

No. Mexico should annex the United States and Canada.
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Postby SaintB » Sun May 04, 2014 8:09 am

No we shouldn't for far more reasons than some people think we should. Firstly all of Mexico's trouble with drug cartels would become our problems (it could be argued that those problems exist because of the USA), all their economic woes would become our economic woes, cultural problems, international issues, and plenty dozens more reasons why not.
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Postby Darwinish Brentsylvania » Sun May 04, 2014 8:12 am

Estado Paulista wrote:No. Mexico should annex the United States and Canada.

No. All three stay independent.
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Postby Canton Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:14 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:I think we should lead "drug busts" on illegals as in find them and deport them. let no one immigrate if their home country always turns up immigrates(you know what im talking about). we should also threaten mexico with a declaration of war. and then if illegals continue to come we take over mexico, thus ending illegal immigration(well a big chunk)


So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

The grammer is bad because im typing fast on my phone so.....
Also your number one point on taking mexico is what i said in my post that you quoted
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Postby The Great Warrior Rivers » Sun May 04, 2014 8:14 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:I think we should lead "drug busts" on illegals as in find them and deport them. let no one immigrate if their home country always turns up immigrates(you know what im talking about). we should also threaten mexico with a declaration of war. and then if illegals continue to come we take over mexico, thus ending illegal immigration(well a big chunk)


So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Is this even an actual question? Even if we did want to, the international community would disown us. And, we don't. It would cause more problems than it would solve.

1. Illegal immigration would not end. People would be jumping from both Canada and Central America.
2. The Czars would have an easier time distributing drugs because then there won't be a heavily guarded line between Mexico and the largest consumer of all, the United States.
3. Inflation, Inflation, Inflation! If you thought it was bad already, you haven't seen the beginning of it.
4. Brain drain. Not a lot of corporate CEO's come from pot-smoking, injecting junkies who live on the streets. It would be the American Dream however.
5. Mexicans are not stealing our jobs. Just our tax money.
6. So, was annexing Crimea a good thing with Russia, because that is what you are suggesting here. Riots will be everywhere. Trying to destabilize North America with it's peaceful relations is not a good thing to try to go out and accomplish.

**EDIT** Not to mention another war, which Americans do NOT want right now. It would be Vietnam in the 21st century.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Sun May 04, 2014 8:15 am

How about giving aid to Mexico so it will become a better place?
So that in the long term less immigrants would come.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun May 04, 2014 8:17 am

Wouldn't be good for America's reputation. The UN will cry imperialism if that ever happens.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun May 04, 2014 8:18 am

SaintB wrote:(it could be argued that those problems exist because of the USA)


No, it couldn't be argued. That is the reason why these problems exist. The US is the world's largest consumer of drugs, their demand for drugs is enormous.

Mexico's problem with drug cartels were relatively small until the 80's, but then the Colombian government strated cracking down really hard on the FARC/Drug Cartels, and as the Colombian cartels died, the Mexican ones became extremely powerful. Couple that with the fact that Mexico is right next door to the United States.

They hold some sort of monopoly over the marijuana market in the US and are really powerful on the heroin and cocaine markets as well.
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Postby Darwinish Brentsylvania » Sun May 04, 2014 8:19 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:How about giving aid to Mexico so it will become a better place?
So that in the long term less immigrants would come.

Maybe.

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Postby Pretty Awesome Persons » Sun May 04, 2014 8:20 am

I seriously don't know if this thread is supposed to be sarcastic or not.
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Postby Ecans » Sun May 04, 2014 8:22 am

The Great Warrior Rivers wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Is this even an actual question? Even if we did want to, the international community would disown us. And, we don't. It would cause more problems than it would solve.

1. Illegal immigration would not end. People would be jumping from both Canada and Central America.
2. The Czars would have an easier time distributing drugs because then there won't be a heavily guarded line between Mexico and the largest consumer of all, the United States.
3. Inflation, Inflation, Inflation! If you thought it was bad already, you haven't seen the beginning of it.
4. Brain drain. Not a lot of corporate CEO's come from pot-smoking, injecting junkies who live on the streets. It would be the American Dream however.
5. Mexicans are not stealing our jobs. Just our tax money.
6. So, was annexing Crimea a good thing with Russia, because that is what you are suggesting here. Riots will be everywhere. Trying to destabilize North America with it's peaceful relations is not a good thing to try to go out and accomplish.

**EDIT** Not to mention another war, which Americans do NOT want right now. It would be Vietnam in the 21st century.

Seriously doubt that you'd find many coming in from Canada. We kinda like our country and have a tendency to stay home and let the US go it's own merry way.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun May 04, 2014 8:22 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:How about giving aid to Mexico so it will become a better place?
So that in the long term less immigrants would come.


Quality of life has increased dramatically in Mexico since the last decade. They don't feel like they need to immigrate in order to have a better life anymore. Nowadays, most of the "border jumpers" come from Central America.
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Postby Kazark » Sun May 04, 2014 8:22 am

Why the hell should we annex Mexico? We've pretty much Screwed up the Middle East. Why Screw up North America?
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun May 04, 2014 8:23 am

Canton Empire wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

The grammer is bad because im typing fast on my phone so.....
Also your number one point on taking mexico is what i said in my post that you quoted


It's ok. And I just wanted to make sure everybody got that point across.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Sun May 04, 2014 8:23 am

Anyways, this thread is another example of the greatness of the Hammetist Thought.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Sun May 04, 2014 8:23 am

That's a lot of welfare.

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Postby Densaner » Sun May 04, 2014 8:26 am

No. They already took a big chunk of it in the 1840's.

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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun May 04, 2014 8:26 am

No. Netherland should annex the United States.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Sun May 04, 2014 8:27 am

No. Instead, the North America countries should strengthen their alliances and pass open borders treaties.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Sun May 04, 2014 8:28 am

Herrebrugh wrote:No. Netherland should annex the United States.

Why, so Britain can take it without a fight?

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Postby Paketo » Sun May 04, 2014 8:28 am

No, they should form the NAC (north American Confederation) with US, Mexico, and Canada.
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Sun May 04, 2014 8:28 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:No. Instead, the North America countries should strengthen their alliances and pass open borders treaties.

You want them become like an American EU?
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