Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Yytuskia]

Views on mine. And thanks for pointing out, I did mean the L/100 is the serial code for that style of gun.

[Need a Name]

So 1,236,250 NS$ per tank?

Divide that by your nations currency from NStracker and you got that price.

Okay, I'm gonna hold off on buying a heavy tank for right now. I'll telegram you when I'm ready.

[Yytuskia]

Got it. Bai gentle peoples!!!

[The New Lowlands]

LT-17
(Image)
Weight-about 17 to 20 tons.
Length-Um...
Armament- 50mm tank gun, with 74 shells, a MG-34 with 2,400 rounds.
Armor-25mm front, 20mm side, 15mm rear.
Radio Range-700-720m
Suspension-Know a good one?
Crew-4
Role-1939-1943 Main Battle Tank.
1943-1945-Reserve tank.

This is the first true Oaltian tank design, came into use about two years into the invasion.

Thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christie_suspension

[Zeinbrad]

LT-17
(Image)
Weight-about 17 to 20 tons.
Length-Um...
Armament- 50mm tank gun, with 74 shells, a MG-34 with 2,400 rounds.
Armor-25mm front, 20mm side, 15mm rear.
Radio Range-700-720m
Suspension-Know a good one?
Crew-4
Role-1939-1943 Main Battle Tank.
1943-1945-Reserve tank.

This is the first true Oaltian tank design, came into use about two years into the invasion.

Thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christie_suspension

Thanks.

Other thoughts?

[Oaledonia]

Oale was discussing the practicality of wearing kinomo in the operation of ground vehicles; I stand in the affirmative.

Won't it snag on suf when you are trying to escape from a burning tank that's about to blow up?

I said a la strike witches "kimonos"

[Vetok]

Divide that by your nations currency from NStracker and you got that price.

Okay, I'm gonna hold off on buying a heavy tank for right now. I'll telegram you when I'm ready.

Heavy tanks went out with the 60's at the latest. Us Brits scrapped our Conquerors in the '50s, the US scrapped their heavies (M103?) in the 50's and the Soviets sent the T-10 (one of my favourite heavy tanks of all time) to the reserves until decommissioning in the 60's.

Views on mine. And thanks for pointing out, I did mean the L/100 is the serial code for that style of gun.

I would advise prefixing or suffixing that code with '-model gun'. As is it now, anyone who knows the slightest shred of nothing about tank guns will clearly see it's a gun of 100 calibres in length.

[Oaledonia]

The Pz.Kpfw Vc is actually meant to aim at weak points on other tanks and support heavies against AT crews. The L/100 is actually the serial code, while the 75mm round is specifically designed to puncture light/medium armor targets (500mm-1000mm) and medium range.

The crews also go through three years training in peacetime, while wartime is shortened to 2 1/2 years. This training allows the gunners to aim for know weak points (ie. View ports or electronics, guns, hatches etc.) and for drivers to position themselves for tactical superiority.

Hell no. There is no way a 75 mm can punch that much of armor.
Also L 100 normally means: L is calibers 100 is the number of calibers. So 75 mm L 100 will make it 7500 mm in length. 7.5 meters long gun. So you should have implied it is a serial numbers.

*75mm ARES intensifies*

[Kouralia]

Also L 100 normally means: L is calibers 100 is the number of calibers. So 75 mm L 100 will make it 7500 mm in length. 7.5 meters long gun. So you should have implied it is a serial numbers.

'L/##' typically means calibers. L## is a British designation.

[The Akasha Colony]

It's worth C$989,000, or 989000 Centennial Union Dollars. One C$ equals 1.25 Nation States Dollars (NS$), so times 989000 by 1.25 per unit.

Since I've generally seen the NSD be considered relatively equal in terms of PPP to the USD, this is laughably cheap for a modern tank.

As Registug notes, there is very little if any use for dedicated heavy tanks today. Cases can be made for light tanks designed to work with airborne or air mobile forces, but there is no real need for an extra-heavy tank. Your normal MBT should already be sufficiently powerful and protected. If it isn't, to the point you need a heavy tank, then you need to correct your MBT first, which removes the need for a heavy tank. And if you really need extra armor, just make provisions to add extra armor to your MBT, like actual nations do with TUSK and TES. No need to spend money buying a specialized vehicle with at best an extremely limited comparative utility if you can roll the features into existing vehicles.

[Viritica]

Anyone here design Panzers?

[Perwita]

Since it was discussed in the realism thread, I would like to talk about military vehicle usage in mountain warfare. It was argued that MBTs can be used (with some difficulties) in this type of warfare. To what extent and which roles do they occupy best ? I´ve also seen a documentary about the British Forces in Afghanistan, making extensive use of Artillery and IFVs (not quite sure about the last one, as it is some time ago it watched it). There was also shown some artillery being positioned on a steep ridge, overlooking almost the whole valley which was occupied. Would I be right in assuming that towed artillery is more useful in this role than self-propelled one ?

[The Akasha Colony]

Since it was discussed in the realism thread, I would like to talk about military vehicle usage in mountain warfare. It was argued that MBTs can be used (with some difficulties) in this type of warfare. To what extent and which roles do they occupy best ? I´ve also seen a documentary about the British Forces in Afghanistan, making extensive use of Artillery and IFVs (not quite sure about the last one, as it is some time ago it watched it).

Largely the same that they occupy elsewhere, which is to provide significant supporting firepower and protection to a mobile force. There isn't a real substitute for their firepower in a direct engagement, or their ability to sustain hits to their armor. Yes, they can be flanked, but this is true even in flat plains where a mobile enemy can try to mount a flanking attack with their own tanks.

There was also shown some artillery being positioned on a steep ridge, overlooking almost the whole valley which was occupied. Would I be right in assuming that towed artillery is more useful in this role than self-propelled one ?

That depends. Towed artillery can be quickly air lifted into position if needed, which is rather difficult with heavy self-propelled pieces. But otherwise, a tracked self-propelled vehicle will generally have better mobility than a towed piece, unless that towed piece is to be man-handled.

[Zeinbrad]

LT-17

Weight-about 17 to 20 tons.
Length-Um...
Armament- 50mm tank gun, with 74 shells, a MG-34 with 2,400 rounds.
Armor-25mm front, 20mm side, 15mm rear.
Radio Range-700-720m
Suspension-Christie
Crew-4
Role-1939-1943 Main Battle Tank.
1943-1945-Reserve tank.

This is the first true Oaltian tank design, came into use about two years into the invasion.

Thoughts?

Also, added a suspension, and since no one said anything, i guess this Best Tank?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Any specification that you would suggest for an effective Heavy tank?

Here. Yytuskia's premier Heavy Main Battle Tank:

‘Panzerkampfwagen VIc ‘Blut Tiger’ Model ‘Jager’
Weight: 77.68 tonnes
Length: 6.316m
Engine: Maybach HL 230 TRM P87 (V12); 1,250HP; Max Speed of 65kph
Armament: 1x 12,8cm Ferguson Manufacturing L/70 ‘KampfwagenKanone’ 98 w/ Autoloader (52 rounds: Pzgr. 98 (Armor Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot Round), Pzgr.RE 2/01 (Armor Piercing, Composite Ridged, Element 219 Filled), 2x 14.5x114mm MG-67H(One CROW-mounted, one turret mounted)
Armor: [Chassis: 1,645mm/ 1,640mm/1,640mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 430mm/430mm/425mm)] [Turret: 1,645mm/ 1,640mm/ 1,640mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 330mm/330mm/325mm)]
Radio: FuG 12 Model J.
Suspension: Leaf Coil, Torsion Bar, Interweaving Road Wheels suspension
Crew: 4 (Driver, Gunner, Loader, Commander)
Armor Angling: 45 degrees on all sides of chassis, with 30 degree angling for turret
Purpose: The Panzerkampfwagen VI Model J, nicknamed the ‘Blut Tiger’ by crew members, is Yytuskia’s response to the modernization of other country heavy tanks. Replacing the outdated ‘SchwergepanzertesKampffahrzeug 45’, which was designed in designed in 1945, the ‘Blut Tiger’ outclasses it in every way; it has better armor, a bigger gun, and faster engine which outclass some modern tanks. Made in 1987, it is well liked by its crews for its sloped armor, added with the ‘Hans’ model, and it’s fighting capacity. Two Tigers could hold their own against both a T-90A and a M1 Abrams at the same time, and could fight them to a standstill. Around 4,889 ‘Blut Tiger’s’ have been made only for the Loyalist Forces of Yytuskia.
Design: The ‘Blut Tiger’s design utilizes heavily sloped armor (45 degrees) on the chassis, as well as around 200cm altogether of armor with the out most lining being the SCRADU adding
Cost: C$989,000 per unit

Do you realize you have a near perfect orb of turret? That takes up more than half the vehicle? That the entire vehicle is as wide as it is long? And that you still are not protected against probably all 140 mm ammunition on ns today? Abrams is 3.66 meters wide. Yours have 1.6 meters of armour front, sides and rear. That makes 3.2 meters in diameter if we were to discount all the space needed for the crew. With that much armour you're looking at over 100 to 200 tons when empty, you will have to bring a bridging vehcile for every little ditch you find because this thing is going to get bogged down. You will also require a crane vehicle to recover it once it inevitably bogs down. Also your German is horrendous.

[San-Silvacian]

The day has been mostly shitposting.

Fucking hell.

Name: Vehicule de Combat Chenilles 70 VCC-70
Type: Main Battle Tank
Place of Origin: The Greater French Republic

Service History-
In Service: 2006-present
Used By: The Greater French Republic
Wars:

Production History-
Designer: Nexter
Manufacturer: Nexter
Unit Cost: 27,500,000USD
Designed: 1998-2006
Number Built:
Variants: VCC-70, VCC-70 Mk II

Specifications- (VCC-70 Mk II)
Weight: 59.5 tonnes
Length: 9.9 meters (6.9 meters w/o gun)
Width: 3.8 meters
Height: 2.6 meters
Crew: 3 (Commander, gunner, driver)
Armament-

GIAT CN128-26/52 128mm smoothbore tank gun
x37 rounds of ammunition (1 ready, 36 stored in 2 18-round re-loadable drums in turret bustle)

x2 Nexter M812 25mm autocannons on a low-profile RWS mount for commander
x200 rounds of ammunition w/ 5 cocking charges each

MAC-93 12.7mm machine gun coaxial
x800 rounds of ammunition

General Performance-
Engine: 8-cylinder diesel (1,100 kW, 1,500 hp)
Power/Weight: 18.5 Kw/tonne, 25.2 hp/tonnes
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Fuel Capacity: 1,400 l (1,700 l w/ fuel drums)
Operational Range: 550 km (650 km w/ external fuel)
Speed: 70 km/

Protection-
Passive Protection System: The armor of the VCC-70 Mk II is a mixture of titanium, tungsten, various composites with layers of semi-reactive armor with a final layer of non-explosive reactive armor. The rear 1/3 of the VCC has a final layer of slat armor to reduce weight without compromising exposure to shaped charged munitions. The front of the VCC-70 is rated to take most known 120mm HEAT and APFSDS rounds from combat distances (2,000 meters +). The sides differ in protection, the first 1/3 of the tank is protected against most 105mm rounds and certain120-125mm HEAT and some APFSDS rounds, while the rear of the tank moves away from kinetic rods to shaped charge protection, at max able to protect against 57-76mm HV threats.

The rear of the tank is protected against 40-57mm caliber projectiles with slat armor for protection against shaped charge munitions. The turret roof is protected against 35mm AP rounds commonly used by CAS aircraft and attack helicopters. As standard on most tanks, the VCC-70 is equipped with a Kevlar spall liner to protect crew from splinter effects if a round would penetrate or near penetrate the armor. The turret bustle has two blow-out panels were the ammunition is stored, this allows for faster reloading in the field, and increased crew safety.

Active Protection System: The VCC-70 Mk. II uses a Nexter-produced variant of the Iron Fist Active Protection System.

NBC: M772 NBC protection system

I win~~~~

[Premislyd]

128 mm

layme

120mm is all you need

[San-Silvacian]

128 mm

layme

120mm is all you need

thats what I was most likely going to do

128 is kewl and all, but really all I need is an L/44 and M829E4.

[Zeinbrad]

LT-17
(Image)
Weight-about 17 to 20 tons.
Length-Um...
Armament- 50mm tank gun, with 74 shells, a MG-34 with 2,400 rounds.
Armor-25mm front, 20mm side, 15mm rear.
Radio Range-700-720m
Suspension-Christie
Crew-4
Role-1939-1943 Main Battle Tank.
1943-1945-Reserve tank.

This is the first true Oaltian tank design, came into use about two years into the invasion.

Thoughts?

Also, added a suspension, and since no one said anything, i guess this Best Tank?

Okay, the only part I want to know.

Will this able to take on and take out T-26's and BT's?

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

LT-17
(Image)
Weight-about 17 to 20 tons.
Length-Um...
Armament- 50mm tank gun, with 74 shells, a MG-34 with 2,400 rounds.
Armor-25mm front, 20mm side, 15mm rear.
Radio Range-700-720m
Suspension-Christie
Crew-4
Role-1939-1943 Main Battle Tank.
1943-1945-Reserve tank.

This is the first true Oaltian tank design, came into use about two years into the invasion.

Thoughts?

Also, added a suspension, and since no one said anything, i guess this Best Tank?

Okay, the only part I want to know.

Will this able to take on and take out T-26's and BT's?

It will shred them to pieces.

[Zeinbrad]

Okay, the only part I want to know.

Will this able to take on and take out T-26's and BT's?

It will shred them to pieces.

Good, does what it designed to do perfectly.

[New Tyran]

It will shred them to pieces.

Good, does what it designed to do perfectly.

Designed just to fight light tanks?

[Zeinbrad]

Good, does what it designed to do perfectly.

Designed just to fight light tanks?

I'm going off the logic that when you have no tanks, and all your neighbors have tanks, you design a tank to fight those tanks.

So the LT-17 is meant to combat tanks, and it happens that all of Oatlians neighbors have just light tanks.

Besides Tundera, but their heavy tanks suck.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Designed just to fight light tanks?

I'm going off the logic that when you have no tanks, and all your neighbors have tanks, you design a tank to fight those tanks.

So the LT-17 is meant to combat tanks, and it happens that all of Oatlians neighbors have just light tanks.

Besides Tundera, but their heavy tanks suck.

The only bad thing is 25 mm of armor. That is too low.

[Zeinbrad]

I'm going off the logic that when you have no tanks, and all your neighbors have tanks, you design a tank to fight those tanks.

So the LT-17 is meant to combat tanks, and it happens that all of Oatlians neighbors have just light tanks.

Besides Tundera, but their heavy tanks suck.

The only bad thing is 25 mm of armor. That is too low.

Upgrade to what?