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by Shadow Afforess » Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:37 pm
Valfor wrote:My my entire puppet list has disappeared..?
by Gomlis44 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:00 pm
by Todlichebujoku » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:37 pm
[violet] wrote:You are my go-to nation for long names.
Oct 16 2018- Indo States wrote:YOU'RE FALSE TOBU
Apr 21 2020- Llalta wrote:omg tobu you’ve literally given me asthma with ur art
by Gomlis44 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:49 pm
Todlichebujoku wrote:For #2, something like that already exists on the sidebar, right next to your region name. Same with telegrams. NS++ already has a notification feature for forum posts, right next to "FORUM" on the sidebar.
by Enfaru » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:27 pm
by Shadow Afforess » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:33 pm
Enfaru wrote:Re the api.
If I use the api... but also send recruitment telegrams manually, would that have any affect on the speed of the api? For instance skipping over those that have been manually tg'd rather than wasting time?
*doesn't understand how it works at all*
by Lemmingtopias » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:49 pm
LBC News:Lemmingtopias now de facto split between East and West | Junta forces fail to storm Palace of the Sages, withdrawal from West Lomapolis | COUP! Advised to stay at home! More Info coming soon | Prince of Lemmingtopias killed during summit with Tropican President| Invasion of The Tropican Islands cancelled. Diplomatic talks to resume
by The Leningrad Union » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:53 pm
Lemmingtopias wrote:How does one put the Newspaper image on the Region Page? I've seen a few regions do it but can't find the option.
some popular TETer wrote:Leningrad iz kewl
some dude that agreed with me on a debate wrote:Just listen to Leningrad!
by Shadow Afforess » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:12 pm
Lemmingtopias wrote:How does one put the Newspaper image on the Region Page? I've seen a few regions do it but can't find the option.
by Lemmingtopias » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:45 pm
LBC News:Lemmingtopias now de facto split between East and West | Junta forces fail to storm Palace of the Sages, withdrawal from West Lomapolis | COUP! Advised to stay at home! More Info coming soon | Prince of Lemmingtopias killed during summit with Tropican President| Invasion of The Tropican Islands cancelled. Diplomatic talks to resume
by Shadow Afforess » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:11 am
Enfaru wrote:I'm pretty sure that the survey said something about forums, could you tell us more about what you have in mind?
by The Most Glorious Hack » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:00 am
Shadow Afforess wrote:And since all the forums are shady fly-by-night services, you can't trust them with your real email or any half-decent password either.
by Ballotonia » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:55 am
Shadow Afforess wrote:Of course, such a service is no small task. It would require a while to create. Probably 2-3 months, plus testing.
by Enfaru » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:04 am
Shadow Afforess wrote:Most of these free services are pretty terrible. Ad-laden, uncustomizable, hidious forums. You have to register an account for each one.
Shadow Afforess wrote: It's a real pain, if say, you have to be a part of multiple regions. And since all the forums are shady fly-by-night services, you can't trust them with your real email or any half-decent password either. Basically 99% of the forums regions use now are terrible. They are terrible because regions can't afford to pay hundreds of dollars for forum licenses and server costs.
Shadow Afforess wrote:
I empathize with that. Forums are not that complex a problem. I envision a free, skinnable forum that regional admins can create and control with NS++. Regions will get a web address, so non-NS++ users can use it. NS++ users will not need to log into these forums, their NS identity will simply "sync" right over. Regional administrators can easily control which members have moderator privileges, create subforums, etc, just like a normal forum. NS users can stop handing over emails and passwords, just log in with their NS nation. NS++ users will autologin. No ads. No space constraints or limits, except that the forums must be created and used by a region in NS.
Shadow Afforess wrote:NS++ users would see a new sidebar link to show a direct link to their regional forums. When they are on their region forums, it feels like they are still "on" NS, instead of leaving the site (say, the sidebar is still there). Regions could upload their maps, set their constitution, embassy requests, customize the forums look and layout.
Of course, such a service is no small task. It would require a while to create. Probably 2-3 months, plus testing.
Ballotonia wrote:Shadow Afforess wrote:Of course, such a service is no small task. It would require a while to create. Probably 2-3 months, plus testing.
Before you implement this, perhaps you should first see whether there are any large regions willing to sign up for this at all. It means you'd get access not only to passwords of NS++ nations, but also of non-NS++ nations trying to use their regions' forum. Regions run the risk of getting split over whether or not they can sufficiently trust you. You'd have access to all their regional secrets as well. Would be a shame to spend months of work implementing this only to find out hardly anyone would be willing to use it.
Ballotonia
by Shadow Afforess » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:16 pm
Ballotonia wrote:Shadow Afforess wrote:Of course, such a service is no small task. It would require a while to create. Probably 2-3 months, plus testing.
Before you implement this, perhaps you should first see whether there are any large regions willing to sign up for this at all. It means you'd get access not only to passwords of NS++ nations, but also of non-NS++ nations trying to use their regions' forum. Regions run the risk of getting split over whether or not they can sufficiently trust you. You'd have access to all their regional secrets as well. Would be a shame to spend months of work implementing this only to find out hardly anyone would be willing to use it.
Ballotonia
Enfaru wrote:Anyone who is concerned with password security would be using a password manager and a unique password so i don't think the security part there is an issue. Although I do agree that server costs play a big part in what you get. Unfortunately. Though I wouldn't say it's down to the software per se, for instance I'm a huge fan of Phpbb and SMF. Sure they're free and yes have their independent issues but frequently they're more customizable than the paid versions.
Enfaru wrote:I would really be interested to see just how customizable the forums are, particularly regarding permissions. I would be happy to see some synchronicity, but I would be interested to see whether users would be able to register independently or whether usernames could be changed. There are also a couple of mods and additional services that the Sovereign Charter uses as well, which we would also like to see available, they're pretty much free for PHPbb.
Enfaru wrote:I actually wouldn't mind about the adds if they were there to keep the forums going, maybe a bit of a donate button at the bottom or in the side bar or something. I appreciate that servers aren't free and many regions I suspect will either pay for the service or tolerate those features with a strong run of adblock+. I would 'love' to see an https version, but I'm damn confident that'll be a paid for service, certificates are expensive unless they're self signed.
by Klaus Devestatorie » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:19 pm
by Shadow Afforess » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:53 pm
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Regarding this forums initiative;
I have seen this kind of thing before in other nation simulator games (most notably Earth 2025/Empires, another game that was temporarily underneath Jolt). Various alliance hosting services, such as Boxcar and GHQ as well as a few that no longer exist were attractive because on top of a reasonably easy to use setup, they also came with significant tools for analysis for various ingame functions; functions for both peace and war. These tools, by far, are their largest upsides, and one can only imagine the kind of stuff that could be set up for something like this- a disturbingly accurate automatic triggering tool using the raw game maths to calculate updates, for starters, and I bet it would be possible to come up with some really freaky standardized regional map stuff. However, they also always came with significant downsides and weaknesses.
For starters, while their security is generally okayish, they were by no means secure in a game where every major alliance had their own coders. People wouldn't just target each other's forums; they would actively target the hosting service itself in order to gather as much data as possible on direct military competitors; both numerical and political. The admin of Boxcar is also the admin of the game itself, and even then it does not prevent those attacks.
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:This hosting service would also need to make the IP addresses of users available to the admins of specific forums, to ensure people are not using duplicate nations. Otherwise it would be largely incompatible with most existing gameplay regions.
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Finally, every now and then, a service goes down. Earth 2025 lost some massive ones in the form of Gamerstown and Earthstats; Gamerstown was shut down after a hacking attack and the admin of Earthstats simply vanished. In the former, most alliances were able to recover their data, but the users of the latter lost as much as 10 years of posts and user accounts. It would need to be possible for users to easily download a backup of their data. It would be -really- good if that data could then be directly uploaded and placed into an IPB or SMF forum without major hiccups.
I'm not personally sure on any roleplay specific needs, but I hope I've provided some context from having used this kind of service regularly since 2007.
by Klaus Devestatorie » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:35 am
Shadow Afforess wrote:Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Regarding this forums initiative;
I have seen this kind of thing before in other nation simulator games (most notably Earth 2025/Empires, another game that was temporarily underneath Jolt). Various alliance hosting services, such as Boxcar and GHQ as well as a few that no longer exist were attractive because on top of a reasonably easy to use setup, they also came with significant tools for analysis for various ingame functions; functions for both peace and war. These tools, by far, are their largest upsides, and one can only imagine the kind of stuff that could be set up for something like this- a disturbingly accurate automatic triggering tool using the raw game maths to calculate updates, for starters, and I bet it would be possible to come up with some really freaky standardized regional map stuff. However, they also always came with significant downsides and weaknesses.
For starters, while their security is generally okayish, they were by no means secure in a game where every major alliance had their own coders. People wouldn't just target each other's forums; they would actively target the hosting service itself in order to gather as much data as possible on direct military competitors; both numerical and political. The admin of Boxcar is also the admin of the game itself, and even then it does not prevent those attacks.
When you say "target", what exactly do you mean? The tools I build are not vulnerable to SQL injection or other standard weaknesses. I haven't yet been the target of any DDoS, but as I use a cloud hosting provider, I can simply spin up more servers in a few minutes at a need. I did so for the April fools event.Klaus Devestatorie wrote:This hosting service would also need to make the IP addresses of users available to the admins of specific forums, to ensure people are not using duplicate nations. Otherwise it would be largely incompatible with most existing gameplay regions.
I think I would make up to the user whether the admin can see their IP address. I don't want to allow exploitation of privacy just to satisfy the whims of any region. I don't collect this information currently.Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Finally, every now and then, a service goes down. Earth 2025 lost some massive ones in the form of Gamerstown and Earthstats; Gamerstown was shut down after a hacking attack and the admin of Earthstats simply vanished. In the former, most alliances were able to recover their data, but the users of the latter lost as much as 10 years of posts and user accounts. It would need to be possible for users to easily download a backup of their data. It would be -really- good if that data could then be directly uploaded and placed into an IPB or SMF forum without major hiccups.
I'm not personally sure on any roleplay specific needs, but I hope I've provided some context from having used this kind of service regularly since 2007.
I would build an export mechanism. That goes without saying. I already do backups myself, but I think data should be open.
by Shadow Afforess » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:01 am
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:When I say "target" I mean just generally trying to break in to gather information. There's only been one or two instances of someone actually trying to cause damage in my memory. I imagine your stuff is rather secure but you are by no means the only coder in NS.
If nations are going to be able to hide their IP addresses from regional governments, don't expect many regions with interest in R/D to make these forums their primary home. IP address checking is routine in gameplay for processing citizenships, to ensure someone isn't behind a proxy, isn't already banned or someone that probably should be banned, isn't lying about who else they are in the game.
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:00 am
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