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by Polar Islandstates » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:17 am
by KoloToure » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:21 am
Britcan wrote:So how exactly does this NSGFC thing work?
by Yellow Yellow Red » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:22 am
by KoloToure » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:29 am
Yellow Yellow Red wrote:KoloToure wrote:IIRC last time I just said 'what position does everyone play' and we filled it on a first come first served basis.
If Os is volunteering as coach, we are beholden to his tictacs - and a breath of fresh air they will be as well.
Here's to hoping he has a change of heart and plays with a deep, defensive line and hoofs it forward
by Britcan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:30 am
by Osarius » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:34 am
KoloToure wrote:So you want to be Kevin Osarius instead?
Yellow Yellow Red wrote:Here's to hoping he has a change of heart and plays with a deep, defensive line and hoofs it forward
by Yellow Yellow Red » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:39 am
by KoloToure » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:41 am
by KoloToure » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:42 am
Yellow Yellow Red wrote:KoloToure wrote:You Bolton fan.
If ever I start following an English club, that's on the list. West Ham, too...
But alas, my love for mountainous defenders, long balls, pacy wingers, towering strikers, and crunching tackles comes from my own youth coach who loved that sort of play. Brutish and barbaric? Maybe to some - but it's so much fun to play in that sort of system, especially for someone like me who isn't technically gifted but can tackle really well, run all day, and use some muscle. Come to think of it, I probably like that style because I'm not particularly skilled. "Heart and grit makes up for a hell of a lot" my old coach used to say. Damn right. See - any Pulis team.
by Britcan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:43 am
KoloToure wrote:Osarius wrote:Honestly, my teams do play a lot more like Keegan sides
There was a period where they would concede three goals every week; win, lose or draw. Went on for about ten games in a row.
My dad would be pulling what little remains of his hair out.
He's not a defensive coach, really - he just views defence as the most important part of the team. 'Your best players go in defence until people start to specialise as they get older' is his general philosophy.
by KoloToure » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:46 am
Britcan wrote:KoloToure wrote:My dad would be pulling what little remains of his hair out.
He's not a defensive coach, really - he just views defence as the most important part of the team. 'Your best players go in defence until people start to specialise as they get older' is his general philosophy.
Whenever I've played football it's been using the exact opposite system. The best players get shoved up front and everyone else just has to get the ball to them and stop the other team scoring.
by Auremena » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:51 am
Pretty much what happens, especially in the US, with a lot of youth teams.Britcan wrote:Whenever I've played football it's been using the exact opposite system. The best players get shoved up front and everyone else just has to get the ball to them and stop the other team scoring.KoloToure wrote:My dad would be pulling what little remains of his hair out.
He's not a defensive coach, really - he just views defence as the most important part of the team. 'Your best players go in defence until people start to specialise as they get older' is his general philosophy.
by Britcan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:52 am
KoloToure wrote:Britcan wrote:Whenever I've played football it's been using the exact opposite system. The best players get shoved up front and everyone else just has to get the ball to them and stop the other team scoring.
I kind of agree with my dad on this one, really. I'd rather have weak attackers going up against strong defenders than the other way around, purely because of my past being a good keeper behind a weak defence against strong attackers...
In fact that whole team was so weak I often came out of goal when we were losing as a secret weapon. Or when I got bored and started dribbling past the opposition.
by KoloToure » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:53 am
Auremena wrote:Pretty much what happens, especially in the US, with a lot of youth teams.Britcan wrote:Whenever I've played football it's been using the exact opposite system. The best players get shoved up front and everyone else just has to get the ball to them and stop the other team scoring.
So, if I'm keeping track right, this is who we have so far
Course it's not my job to determine the form and all.
by Osarius » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:54 am
KoloToure wrote:Osarius wrote:Honestly, my teams do play a lot more like Keegan sides
There was a period where they would concede three goals every week; win, lose or draw. Went on for about ten games in a row.
My dad would be pulling what little remains of his hair out.
He's not a defensive coach, really - he just views defence as the most important part of the team. 'Your best players go in defence until people start to specialise as they get older' is his general philosophy.
by KoloToure » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:00 am
Osarius wrote:KoloToure wrote:My dad would be pulling what little remains of his hair out.
He's not a defensive coach, really - he just views defence as the most important part of the team. 'Your best players go in defence until people start to specialise as they get older' is his general philosophy.
Makes sense. But when I took over this team, trying to teach them how to actually defend properly was a seemingly futile exercise.
Instead I drilled three principles into them:
- If we have the ball, they can't score
- If they have the ball, we need to get it back quickly
- Always look for the space, and control it (i.e. get someone into it, with or without the ball)
This way they always looked to control the game in midfield instead (where we were stronger than most teams). They enjoyed it more, too.
Then, as they got better at attacking, they started to understand defending better (I can't explain the pride I felt when my centre forward dropped into defence once, and started instructing players to "block the channels").
They've seemingly mastered the offside trap this year. Playing half a season short on players made it a necessity, I suppose. Now opposing coaches are going berserk trying to teach their quick forwards to watch the line. It's beautiful. Most teams still play long ball tactics, and my defenders just sit a couple of yards inside their own half, and wait, lol.
by Yellow Yellow Red » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:12 am
Osarius wrote:KoloToure wrote:My dad would be pulling what little remains of his hair out.
He's not a defensive coach, really - he just views defence as the most important part of the team. 'Your best players go in defence until people start to specialise as they get older' is his general philosophy.
Makes sense. But when I took over this team, trying to teach them how to actually defend properly was a seemingly futile exercise.
Instead I drilled three principles into them:
- If we have the ball, they can't score
- If they have the ball, we need to get it back quickly
- Always look for the space, and control it (i.e. get someone into it, with or without the ball)
This way they always looked to control the game in midfield instead (where we were stronger than most teams). They enjoyed it more, too.
Then, as they got better at attacking, they started to understand defending better (I can't explain the pride I felt when my centre forward dropped into defence once, and started instructing players to "block the channels").
They've seemingly mastered the offside trap this year. Playing half a season short on players made it a necessity, I suppose. Now opposing coaches are going berserk trying to teach their quick forwards to watch the line. It's beautiful. Most teams still play long ball tactics, and my defenders just sit a couple of yards inside their own half, and wait, lol.
by Kinitaria » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:28 am
by Yellow Yellow Red » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:45 am
KoloToure wrote:Yellow Yellow Red wrote:
If ever I start following an English club, that's on the list. West Ham, too...
But alas, my love for mountainous defenders, long balls, pacy wingers, towering strikers, and crunching tackles comes from my own youth coach who loved that sort of play. Brutish and barbaric? Maybe to some - but it's so much fun to play in that sort of system, especially for someone like me who isn't technically gifted but can tackle really well, run all day, and use some muscle. Come to think of it, I probably like that style because I'm not particularly skilled. "Heart and grit makes up for a hell of a lot" my old coach used to say. Damn right. See - any Pulis team.
I would be unhappy if Liverpool started attempting that style of play (see *shudder* Hodgeball) but for teams with the right sort of player, it's a perfectly good philosophy.
Tony Pulis should be awarded then locked away.
by Valanora » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:52 am
by Kinitaria » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:43 am
by Yellow Yellow Red » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:44 am
Kinitaria wrote:Jose Mourinho, Rui Faria and Ramires have been charged by the FA with various offences. Not quite sure what they can get Mourinho on - aggravated sarcasm?
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:47 am
Yellow Yellow Red wrote:Kinitaria wrote:Jose Mourinho, Rui Faria and Ramires have been charged by the FA with various offences. Not quite sure what they can get Mourinho on - aggravated sarcasm?
"We, the officers and officials of the FA, find the accused, Jose Mourinho, GUILTY on the charge of being a petulant ass."
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