Land ownership debate

[Conscentia]

If I'm living on my own property homeschooling my kids I have no need for these things. I would gladly turn them all down in exchange for tax exemption.

You only have thy "own property" because the state permits it.

[Death Metal]

If I'm living on my own property homeschooling my kids I have no need for these things. I would gladly turn them all down in exchange for tax exemption.

Actually, you'd still need a police and a military. Unless you think your shotgun is enough to keep out the Chinese.

But that's how it works in Fallout!

[North Yakistan]

And it does it far less efficiently than the free market could.

And if that were true, Congress would have never had to create the FDA in the first place.

[/dropsmic]

There wasn't mass communication on the scale of today when the FDa was created.

[Occupied Deutschland]

And it does it far less efficiently than the free market could.

And if that were true, Congress would have never had to create the FDA in the first place.

[/dropsmic]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Logical fallacies are disbarred from mic-dropping point-making as per Robert's Rules of Order.

[North Yakistan]

If I'm living on my own property homeschooling my kids I have no need for these things. I would gladly turn them all down in exchange for tax exemption.

You only have thy "own property" because the state permits it.

So I am the property of the state who lives by its graces?

[Conscentia]

You only have thy "own property" because the state permits it.

So I am the property of the state who lives by its graces?

What?

[Death Metal]

Your continued citizenship is your contract. Entered into by yourself through immigration, else by your parents through power of attorney through your birth or immigration (if you immigrated underage).

If you live in a society, and reap the benefits thereof, you agree to society's rules.

so if I renounce my citizenship and remain on my property I don't have to pay tax

No, because you are still part of the society. You'd have to move.

And the social contract is only a joke to people who have no understanding of how contracts work and are anti-capitalistic.

[North Yakistan]

If I'm living on my own property homeschooling my kids I have no need for these things. I would gladly turn them all down in exchange for tax exemption.

Actually, you'd still need a police and a military. Unless you think your shotgun is enough to keep out the Chinese.

I can protect myself.

[European Socialist Republic]

Your continued citizenship is your contract. Entered into by yourself through immigration, else by your parents through power of attorney through your birth or immigration (if you immigrated underage).

If you live in a society, and reap the benefits thereof, you agree to society's rules.

so if I renounce my citizenship and remain on my property I don't have to pay tax's? And what if I dint want to tie my children to the state via power of attorney?

The social contract is an absolute joke.

No, the only joke are people who seem to think they're an island that can live independently from the rest of society.

[Conscentia]

so if I renounce my citizenship and remain on my property I don't have to pay tax

No, because you are still part of the society. You'd have to move.
And the social contract is only a joke to people who have no understanding of how contracts work and are anti-capitalistic.

Um, no.

[European Socialist Republic]

Actually, you'd still need a police and a military. Unless you think your shotgun is enough to keep out the Chinese.

I can protect myself.

From 1.3 billion Chinese?

[Conscentia]

Actually, you'd still need a police and a military. Unless you think your shotgun is enough to keep out the Chinese.

I can protect myself.

From an entire army?

[Northwest Slobovia]

And if that were true, Congress would have never had to create the FDA in the first place.

[/dropsmic]

There wasn't mass communication on the scale of today when the FDa was created.

So... your system is utterly dependent on advanced technology that has existed for ~30 years? And said technology was developed in part by governments themselves? And now currently relies on said governments to make it work by, for instance, common-carrier regulation of telecomms? Really?

[Death Metal]

Actually, you'd still need a police and a military. Unless you think your shotgun is enough to keep out the Chinese.

I can protect myself.

Really?

It's 3am, and you wake up to find 80 acres of your land on fire, and your car has been stolen. How do you fix this?

[North Yakistan]

so if I renounce my citizenship and remain on my property I don't have to pay tax

No, because you are still part of the society. You'd have to move.

And the social contract is only a joke to people who have no understanding of how contracts work and are anti-capitalistic.

Why the land is mine?

What you are arguing is in essence that all land in earth is controlled by whichever governments army not recently conquered it and we only own property because government allows us to.

And no contract is binding which is not signed. Not which is signed under threat of violence.

[North Yakistan]

I can protect myself.

Really?

It's 3am, and you wake up to find 80 acres of your land on fire, and your car has been stolen. How do you fix this?

I deal with it like a man. Save what I can. Ask for help from my friends. Start over.

[European Socialist Republic]

I can protect myself.

Really?

It's 3am, and you wake up to find 80 acres of your land on fire, and your car has been stolen. How do you fix this?

Leeeeroooooy Jeeeenkiiiiins!

[Conscentia]

I believe N. Yakistan missed this:

[...] My family jointly owns 280 Acres of timber and farmland. It's used only for hunting and recreation except for an area rented to our cousin for farming.

Says who? How did you obtain ownership? Who says you own it?

I'd this exceptable?

Thy typo is not acceptable.

Is our renting of land somehow exploitive?

Well you are exploiting the cousin's need for farmland...

[Conscentia]

Really?

It's 3am, and you wake up to find 80 acres of your land on fire, and your car has been stolen. How do you fix this?

I deal with it like a man. Save what I can. Ask for help from my friends. Start over.

Wuss.

[North Yakistan]

I can protect myself.

From an entire army?

Because China is going to send an entire army to take 290 acres in Iowa, that's so likely.

[Death Metal]

No, because you are still part of the society. You'd have to move.

And the social contract is only a joke to people who have no understanding of how contracts work and are anti-capitalistic.

Why the land is mine? (1)

And no contract is binding which is not signed.(2) Not which is signed under threat of violence.(3)

(1) And under the jurisdiction of the US. Removing it from such jurisdiction is an act of force.
(2) False
(3) The social contract is only violent where there is no ability to leave the civilization you are in, such as North Korea. In North Korea, it's invalid. In the US it is not.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Actually, you'd still need a police and a military. Unless you think your shotgun is enough to keep out the Chinese.

I can protect myself.

Oh, for Pete's sake... It was bad enough when you just invoking free-market fairies, but now you have to go all ITG on us. Please, admit that you're not Superman, that reasonably large groups can and do overwhelm even heavily armed people (see, for example the current struggles between drug-runners and "self-defense groups" in Mexico -- and in the past, other parts of Latin America -- and the Italian Mafia and all sorts of people in Italy) before you lose the last, tiny shred of credibility you have.

[European Socialist Republic]

From an entire army?

Because China is going to send an entire army to take 290 acres in Iowa, that's so likely.

Actually, yes. Those 290 acres would serve as a bridgehead for the invasion of the rest of the country.

[North Yakistan]

I believe N. Yakistan missed this:

Says who? How did you obtain ownership? Who says you own it?


Thy typo is not acceptable.


Well you are exploiting the cousin's need for farmland...

We purchased it from reletives. Who says we don't? We work to maintain it and all surrounding property owners agree to our boundary.

And he is exploiting our need for money. It's a mutually benificial agreement.

[Death Metal]

Really?

It's 3am, and you wake up to find 80 acres of your land on fire, and your car has been stolen. How do you fix this?

I deal with it like a man. Save what I can. Ask for help from my friends. Start over.

Congratulations! Your loss of crops has left you bankrupt, and it turns out your friend is the one who stole your car in the first place, and it's now in pieces in some factory in Taiwan! You lose the Internet Tough Guy Survival Game!