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by All Good People » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:55 pm
by Nephmir » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:22 pm
Improving Wordiness wrote:I do not understand why the only thing implemented out of the huge amount of discussions / suggestions / opinions....the only thing that has been implemented with the least amount of discussion was influence in the feeders...
REALLY? How did that address R/D?
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by Mallorea and Riva » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:31 am
Nephmir wrote:The post I was agreeing with was this one:Improving Wordiness wrote:I do not understand why the only thing implemented out of the huge amount of discussions / suggestions / opinions....the only thing that has been implemented with the least amount of discussion was influence in the feeders...
REALLY? How did that address R/D?
The question is yet to be answered.
Sedgistan wrote:The feeders/sinkers are involved in R/D - but yes, that change wasn't directly aimed at the various issues that raiding/defending have. It's really up to the admins as to when various changes are implemented - I'd guess this came first as it was a relatively simple one to code, and didn't have so many details that needed finalising. Other projects, such as regional officers, are much more complex both in terms of coding and the details of how they work.
by Blackbird » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:41 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Sedge answered it.Sedgistan wrote:The feeders/sinkers are involved in R/D - but yes, that change wasn't directly aimed at the various issues that raiding/defending have. It's really up to the admins as to when various changes are implemented - I'd guess this came first as it was a relatively simple one to code, and didn't have so many details that needed finalising. Other projects, such as regional officers, are much more complex both in terms of coding and the details of how they work.
by Mallorea and Riva » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:43 pm
Blackbird wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:Sedge answered it.
Indeed. The changes made in the now almost a year and a half since the beginning in the Summit were supposedly to revitalize gameplay. It seems clear to me at least that if that was the goal of the Summit, then the Summit was an utter failure. Changes unrelated to gameplay have been made in the meantime, while the invader/defender dynamic remains stagnant. This suggests to me that either the Summit's goal was never to revitalize gameplay in the first place or that the Powers That Be decided for whatever reasons, perhaps technical, perhaps philosophical, that they would not seek that goal.
by Blackbird » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:46 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Blackbird wrote:
Indeed. The changes made in the now almost a year and a half since the beginning in the Summit were supposedly to revitalize gameplay. It seems clear to me at least that if that was the goal of the Summit, then the Summit was an utter failure. Changes unrelated to gameplay have been made in the meantime, while the invader/defender dynamic remains stagnant. This suggests to me that either the Summit's goal was never to revitalize gameplay in the first place or that the Powers That Be decided for whatever reasons, perhaps technical, perhaps philosophical, that they would not seek that goal.
Alternatively this is a lot of stuff to get done and it isn't easy to determine how to do it especially when there are other issues to be addressed as there always are.
by Improving Wordiness » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:52 pm
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I'm a massive tool. ;)
by Mallorea and Riva » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:55 pm
Improving Wordiness wrote:I agree with Blackbird. Sure I imagine some of the changes will be difficult and require work to build. Keeping us in the dark over it is certainly not helping.
The telegram system was a big build but players were given updates now and then. As things stand we do not even know if more discussion is needed. Most of us are giving up on there being any change at all.
If nothing is going to change please at least post that. It is nonsense that there has been no update on this.
by Improving Wordiness » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:11 am
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I'm a massive tool. ;)
by Sedgistan » Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:46 am
by Blackbird » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:02 am
Sedgistan wrote:As has been said previously, these changes are still on the to-do list, with the exception of Reformation, which is on hold. Coding work has started on some (I understand that is displaying update times, and regional officers), others not yet. Discussion on all the changes is still welcome and encouraged, and can still impact on how they are implemented.
As Mall has said, changes take time to implement. Admins have limited time, and also have other NS matters they need to deal with at the same time.
by Sichuan Pepper » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:45 pm
Sedgistan wrote:As has been said previously, these changes are still on the to-do list, with the exception of Reformation, which is on hold. Coding work has started on some (I understand that is displaying update times, and regional officers), others not yet. Discussion on all the changes is still welcome and encouraged, and can still impact on how they are implemented.
As Mall has said, changes take time to implement. Admins have limited time, and also have other NS matters they need to deal with at the same time.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by The Sapientia » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:23 am
by Sedgistan » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:45 pm
by United States of Natan » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:14 pm
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by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:06 pm
by Blackbird » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:24 am
Terms of ReferenceFor the purpose of clarity, [violet] has defined some basic parameters regarding an overall aproach to the game. These Terms of Reference will form the basis of summit discussions.
- An "R/D" game, whereby groups of invaders move into a foreign region and attempt to capture the Delegacy, is an important part of NationStates.
- This game generally consists of three types of player: invaders, who attempt to capture regions; natives, who occupy regions under attack; and defenders, who attempt to repel invaders from regions and return them to native control.
- While invasions can be upsetting to natives, the conflict and excitement they provide contributes to a dynamic gameworld, and this seems to attract new players to NS and keep players coming back.
- The pre-Influence rule system, whereby moderators were required to judge the "nativity" of various nations, while popular with many, could not be sustained, and will not return.
- The current R/D game seems to have become less about political skill and more about "clock skill," whereby the success of an invasion largely depends on how accurately an invader group can predict the update time of a target region, and move in just beforehand, giving defenders and natives no time to react. This in particular has led to increased "tag raiding," where invaders attempt to capture as many regions as possible in a single update, but not necessarily hold any of them.
- The R/D game should provide opportunities for invaders, defenders, and natives to all participate in a fun and rewarding way.
by Gest » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:33 am
by Blackbird » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:35 am
Gest wrote:^That question doesn't make sense. They obviously believe the changes will have those effects* but how are they going to evaluate that if they haven't implemented them yet.**
*Or at least they'll say that even if they don't believe it because there's no chance they're going to open up the process again for more discussion because it's just endless chatter that goes nowhere.
*That's a different complaint entirely.
by Gest » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:48 am
I presume good faith.
by Frisbeeteria » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:14 pm
Blackbird wrote: I have repeatedly asked the admins / mods to provide updates on whether or not they believed the proposed changes and those that have been enacted have met the goals stated at the outset of the Summit.
by Blackbird » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:14 am
Frisbeeteria wrote:Blackbird wrote: I have repeatedly asked the admins / mods to provide updates on whether or not they believed the proposed changes and those that have been enacted have met the goals stated at the outset of the Summit.
There's no question that any changes will be subject to the Terms of Reference. None. They are the very framework underlying all the code decisions. Nothing has changed, nor is it likely to.
The only place we've potentially failed is that there haven't been many updates. That is for an incredibly simple reason: [violet] hasn't completed any of the proposed changes to her satisfaction, due primarily to other time constraints. Those constraints include both NationStates and RL concerns; i.e. the Demonym code was added because it was fairly simple and didn't impose any sort of game balance requirements. That doesn't mean that all other R/D code attempts were discarded, it just means that other things took priority.
The mods have nothing to do with the coding process. It's an admin thing, and all I can report as a mod is that I'm not getting a lot of new information about upcoming updates. As for our 4 admins - Salusa and Pythagasaurus have both been infected with a rabid case of Real Life, and can't be active here often. Ballotonia hasn't expressed a great deal of interest in this area and/or doesn't want to taint the process with his former Defender status. That leaves [violet], who is self-evidently BUSY.
So, you haven't missed anything, because the underlying rules haven't secretly been changed. I'd like to see some of these changes myself, but they'll happen if/when they happen. Not a moment sooner.
by Preatorians » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:28 pm
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