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What should the strength of this proposal be?

Strong
3
25%
Significant
2
17%
Mild
7
58%
 
Total votes : 12

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Hakio
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Founded: Nov 06, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Hakio » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:01 am

StanStanStanStanStan wrote:STAN. STAN STAN STAN.

STAN STAN STAN?

STAN STAN STAN.

[Trans: What's going on in your not-stan head, idiot?

We cannot simply throw away the billion-kidney institute that's our Planetary Elimination; Nullifying International Society, Or P.E.N.I.S for short. Leave my P.E.N.I.S alone and don't you dare touch it!


I'm sorry but international law may be forced to touch your P.E.N.I.S.
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StanStanStanStanStan
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Postby StanStanStanStanStan » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:19 am

Hakio wrote:
StanStanStanStanStan wrote:STAN. STAN STAN STAN.

STAN STAN STAN?

STAN STAN STAN.

[Trans: What's going on in your not-stan head, idiot?

We cannot simply throw away the billion-kidney institute that's our Planetary Elimination; Nullifying International Society, Or P.E.N.I.S for short. Leave my P.E.N.I.S alone and don't you dare touch it!


I'm sorry but international law may be forced to touch your P.E.N.I.S.

STAN STAN STAN STAN!

Trans: Our P.E.N.I.S. is the country's pride and joy. If it's to encounter any sort of shrinkage we would be ashamed for generations. Our P.E.N.I.S. is needed to penetrate the forces of frequently hostile neighboring planets, and anything thrust upon it must be eliminated. For the sake of StanStanStanStanStan, the P.E.N.I.S. must GROW!

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El Fiji Grande
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Founded: Jan 11, 2013
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Postby El Fiji Grande » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:31 pm

Teronia wrote:I must protest! Causing the star of your foe's system to go supernova is an incredibly inefficient method of destroying your foes.

I completely agree.
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Tzorsland
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Postby Tzorsland » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:22 pm

Teronia wrote:I must protest! Causing the star of your foe's system to go supernova is an incredibly inefficient method of destroying your foes. Might I recommend a shielded anti-matter charge?


A Trilithium Torpedo would be quite sufficient to shoot down a typical star and cause a collapse.

Mind you if you want to hide your actions, time traveling backwards in time to the nearest high mass highly rotating star with a minor spin dizzy adjustment to the angle and minor incentive to get the star to super / hyper nova in such a manner as to direct the gamma ray pulse to the offending planet, might generally go unnoticed as an "act of god."
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Teronia
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Postby Teronia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:46 pm

Tzorsland wrote:
Teronia wrote:I must protest! Causing the star of your foe's system to go supernova is an incredibly inefficient method of destroying your foes. Might I recommend a shielded anti-matter charge?


A Trilithium Torpedo would be quite sufficient to shoot down a typical star and cause a collapse.

Mind you if you want to hide your actions, time traveling backwards in time to the nearest high mass highly rotating star with a minor spin dizzy adjustment to the angle and minor incentive to get the star to super / hyper nova in such a manner as to direct the gamma ray pulse to the offending planet, might generally go unnoticed as an "act of god."


Or you could just "accidentally" open up a wormhole in the core of their planet that leads to the event horizon of a black hole. Totally painless, totally accidental, totally effective. :twisted:
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Wrapper
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:22 am

Teronia wrote:
Tzorsland wrote:
A Trilithium Torpedo would be quite sufficient to shoot down a typical star and cause a collapse.

Mind you if you want to hide your actions, time traveling backwards in time to the nearest high mass highly rotating star with a minor spin dizzy adjustment to the angle and minor incentive to get the star to super / hyper nova in such a manner as to direct the gamma ray pulse to the offending planet, might generally go unnoticed as an "act of god."


Or you could just "accidentally" open up a wormhole in the core of their planet that leads to the event horizon of a black hole. Totally painless, totally accidental, totally effective. :twisted:

No no no, absolutely the wrong way to do it. The gravitational pull will suck you in from your end of the wormhole, and you're dead. A better way to do it is (DELETED BY THE ORDER OF THE WRAPPERIAN PRESIDENT. AMBASSADOR, REMEMBER YOU REPRESENT A PACIFIST NATION. ONE MORE VIOLATION AND YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO RECALL.)

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Voltzenkrad
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Founded: Oct 05, 2013
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Postby Voltzenkrad » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:30 am

I'll build Death Stars if I damn well want to
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Teronia
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Postby Teronia » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:32 am

Voltzenkrad wrote:I'll build Death Stars if I damn well want to

Too expensive and too easy to kill. Not to mention, they can only be in one place at a time.

Build Siege ships, lol. They are little more than a frigate with a torsion (space-time distortion) cannon built down the middle. You can mass produce them to the extreme, and each can do the same amount of damage in the same amount of time. ;)
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We will raze your cities and population centers. We will level your factories, your schools, we will massacre your civilians. None shall be spared. And when the dust settles, when you drop to your knees crying "Dear God why?" we will simply say, "You dared oppose the Teronian fist. We do not forgive, we do not forget. We do not repeat ourselves. So pay attention."

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Draica
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Founded: Feb 06, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Draica » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:56 am

StanStanStanStanStan wrote:
Hakio wrote:
I'm sorry but international law may be forced to touch your P.E.N.I.S.

STAN STAN STAN STAN!

Trans: Our P.E.N.I.S. is the country's pride and joy. If it's to encounter any sort of shrinkage we would be ashamed for generations. Our P.E.N.I.S. is needed to penetrate the forces of frequently hostile neighboring planets, and anything thrust upon it must be eliminated. For the sake of StanStanStanStanStan, the P.E.N.I.S. must GROW!


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Allied Kepler Union
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Founded: Jan 25, 2014
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Postby Allied Kepler Union » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:11 am

As the weaponry on the Allied Kepler Union's primary starship classes is capable of planetary destruction, it is impossible for the Allied Kepler Union to follow the guidelines laid out in this resolution without getting rid of our entire Starfleet and putting trillions of our people out of work. Furthermore, we are completely defenseless without our positron-enhanced antiproton weapons. Therefore, we are forced to vote against this resolution. One against the act of planetary annihilation would be acceptable to us.

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Dirt Roads
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Founded: Sep 04, 2013
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Postby Dirt Roads » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:30 pm

The Supreme Army of the Dirt Roads has voted for this resolution on grounds of international and interplanetary goodwill. The Dirt Roads has no present need for this form of dangerous activity and we condemn its misuse, and the resolution specifically exempts ownership and production of existing military resources.
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Eumantia
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Postby Eumantia » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:02 am

In the neverending cause of MORE violins on TV, Eumantia stands firmly against this proposition.

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The Praxis
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Founded: Mar 06, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Praxis » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:36 pm

As this resolution would outlaw anti-matter torps and anti-matter bombs, the standard weapons of the Dread Empire's starships, we have no choice but to vote AGAINST this resolution, though the Consulate agrees with the resolution's sentiment.
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Defwa
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Founded: Feb 11, 2014
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Postby Defwa » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:37 pm

The Praxis wrote:As this resolution would outlaw anti-matter torps and anti-matter bombs, the standard weapons of the Dread Empire's starships, we have no choice but to vote AGAINST this resolution, though the Consulate agrees with the resolution's sentiment.

It doesn't do that. It outlaws the use of large anti matter bombs on planets if the bomb would kill half its population.
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Imperium Californium
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Founded: Nov 06, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Imperium Californium » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:57 pm

Imperium Californium shall oppose this attempt to impinge upon national governments. We already have such legislation, but it is solely on planetary bodies containing sentient beings. Locations bearing no sentient life is not within our purbue to care. Except insofar as the natural biological resources prove to be as valuable for our exploitation as non-biological resources. In other words, if we can use it...we don't annihalate it. Pretty logical all on its own, isn't it? :ugeek:

Therefore, we view this potential legislation to be spurious and redundant.

WE VOTE AGAINST

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Wrapper
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:00 pm

Imperium Californium wrote:Imperium Californium shall oppose this attempt to impinge upon national governments. We already have such legislation, but it is solely on planetary bodies containing sentient beings. Locations bearing no sentient life is not within our purbue to care. Except insofar as the natural biological resources prove to be as valuable for our exploitation as non-biological resources. In other words, if we can use it...we don't annihalate it. Pretty logical all on its own, isn't it? :ugeek:

Therefore, we view this potential legislation to be spurious and redundant.

WE VOTE AGAINST

:blink:

So... ummm... you're okay with some other nation, which has no such legislation, blowing up your home planet?

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Normlpeople
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Founded: Apr 25, 2013
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Postby Normlpeople » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:06 pm

Wrapper wrote:So... ummm... you're okay with some other nation, which has no such legislation, blowing up your home planet?


"To be fair, any non-WA nation with such weaponry would also be able to blow up his home planet regardless of this legislation"
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Defwa
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Founded: Feb 11, 2014
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Postby Defwa » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:54 pm

Normlpeople wrote:
Wrapper wrote:So... ummm... you're okay with some other nation, which has no such legislation, blowing up your home planet?


"To be fair, any non-WA nation with such weaponry would also be able to blow up his home planet regardless of this legislation"

Then why do anything at all?
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Normlpeople
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Postby Normlpeople » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:24 pm

Defwa wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:
"To be fair, any non-WA nation with such weaponry would also be able to blow up his home planet regardless of this legislation"

Then why do anything at all?

"I agree. The safest nation is the one with the biggest weapons, and the one with the most weapons. There are some in here who think 'World Peace' has a chance, a misguided belief"
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Wrapper
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:25 pm

Normlpeople wrote:
Defwa wrote:Then why do anything at all?

"I agree. The safest nation is the one with the biggest weapons, and the one with the most weapons. There are some in here who think 'World Peace' has a chance, a misguided belief"

:eyebrow:

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Defwa
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Postby Defwa » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:27 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:"I agree. The safest nation is the one with the biggest weapons, and the one with the most weapons. There are some in here who think 'World Peace' has a chance, a misguided belief"

:eyebrow:

Indeed.
Defwa's nuclear drone arsenal is only backup. We do honestly believe that peace will exist once people learn of the folly that is violence- just as the people of Defwa did.
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Normlpeople
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Postby Normlpeople » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:29 pm

Defwa wrote:Defwa's nuclear drone arsenal is only backup. We do honestly believe that peace will exist once people learn of the folly that is violence- just as the people of Defwa did.


"And some people trusted leaders when they said they were about peace, until the weapons were gone, and their people oppressed, and it took a violent revolution to regain freedom. Peace is not always the correct way."
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Tzorsland
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Postby Tzorsland » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:17 am

Defwa wrote:Defwa's nuclear drone arsenal is only backup. We do honestly believe that peace will exist once people learn of the folly that is violence- just as the people of Defwa did.


Peace, as you describe it, will never exist, for there will always exist a modicum of beings who have not yet learned. In addition, war is, unfortunately, one of the most simplest methods of wealth distribution out there - kill some people and take their stuff. (Ironically it works equally well with your own people.) Baring unpopular plagues or racial/class exterminations, it's the best way to significantly reduce a surplus population while leaving all the population's wealth for redistribution.
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Deterria
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Postby Deterria » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:31 am

Against.

This resolution kills off our core tactic in interplanetary warfare. Grabbing large asteroids so we can stick engines on them and then throwing them at people along with fleets of MIRVs.
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StanStanStanStanStan
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Postby StanStanStanStanStan » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:32 am

Draica wrote:
StanStanStanStanStan wrote:STAN STAN STAN STAN!

Trans: Our P.E.N.I.S. is the country's pride and joy. If it's to encounter any sort of shrinkage we would be ashamed for generations. Our P.E.N.I.S. is needed to penetrate the forces of frequently hostile neighboring planets, and anything thrust upon it must be eliminated. For the sake of StanStanStanStanStan, the P.E.N.I.S. must GROW!


Tung lets out a very loud sigh before pounding his head slowly on his podium.

"This is why aliens scare me. They have a very perverted and twisted sense of humor, how disgusting."


STAN? STAN STAN STAN!

Trans: Is our P.E.N.I.S a joke to you, sir? I'll have you know our P.E.N.I.S is NO laughing matter. The P.E.N.I.S is a vital part of the economy of our rich planet, and without the girth of the P.E.N.I.S we would suffer. I am dead serious about maintaining the strength of the P.E.N.I.S. for making it flaccid would simply plunge StanStanStanStanStan into ruins under the weight of the P.E.N.I.S!

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