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Who will OP the next MGVoYN[NM] thread?

Imperializt Russia
39
25%
Anemos Major
52
33%
Questers
8
5%
Dragomere
21
13%
Dostanuot Loj
5
3%
The Kievan People
22
14%
Oaledonia
12
8%
 
Total votes : 159

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Rich and Corporations
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:48 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:erm
they actually do
I read of a comparison of hydropneumatic suspension and torsion bar for the Abrams
it was one or two dozen cubic feet


I wasn't able to find actual space savings for the XM1 hydrogas suspension, but the weight was about 1 tonne.

Belly tanks may be relevant.

"using external in-arm hydropneumatic suspension units (and thus saving about 17 cubic feet of space now occupied by torsion bars)"
from ARMY 1991 apparently
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:32 am

How exactly does lineart work? Could someone explain it to me in greater detail?

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:33 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:How exactly does lineart work? Could someone explain it to me in greater detail?

It is art involving lines.

Sometimes shading.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:36 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:How exactly does lineart work? Could someone explain it to me in greater detail?

It is art involving lines.

Sometimes shading.


How do you make these parts? I know some players cut and paste certain parts and mix them together, but is there a guide anyone could link me to?

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Postby Themiclesia » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:37 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:How exactly does lineart work? Could someone explain it to me in greater detail?

It's quite what it is. It is a two-dimensional representation of an object: it flattens everything.
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Postby Lamoni » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:44 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:It is art involving lines.

Sometimes shading.


How do you make these parts? I know some players cut and paste certain parts and mix them together, but is there a guide anyone could link me to?


Most line-art is actually drawing the desired object, with no cut/paste involved, using programs like MS Paint.

Most "cut an paste" parts stuff is through Shipbucket (which as the name implies, deals with ships), or Junior Generals. However, neither of these two sites really have guides, afaik. Also, DO NOT forget to credit your fellow artists if you make images using parts from either of those two sites. Failure to credit is a big no-no.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:47 am

Lamoni wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
How do you make these parts? I know some players cut and paste certain parts and mix them together, but is there a guide anyone could link me to?


Most line-art is actually drawing the desired object, with no cut/paste involved, using programs like MS Paint.

Most "cut an paste" parts stuff is through Shipbucket (which as the name implies, deals with ships), or Junior Generals. However, neither of these two sites really have guides, afaik. Also, DO NOT forget to credit your fellow artists if you make images using parts from either of those two sites. Failure to credit is a big no-no.


Where should I start if I want to make original lineart?

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Connori Pilgrims
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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:26 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Lamoni wrote:
Most line-art is actually drawing the desired object, with no cut/paste involved, using programs like MS Paint.

Most "cut an paste" parts stuff is through Shipbucket (which as the name implies, deals with ships), or Junior Generals. However, neither of these two sites really have guides, afaik. Also, DO NOT forget to credit your fellow artists if you make images using parts from either of those two sites. Failure to credit is a big no-no.


Where should I start if I want to make original lineart?


1.) Pick a drawing program.

2.) Pick a scale. Like 1px = 1cm, or your own custom scale.

3.) Know how to use the drawing program's various tools (shaders, shape tools, etc.)

4.) Should probably try tracing over a line art (can find these at places like The Blueprints) as a trial run before you actually go and make genuinely original from scratch art.
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:28 am

Lamoni wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
How do you make these parts? I know some players cut and paste certain parts and mix them together, but is there a guide anyone could link me to?


Most line-art is actually drawing the desired object, with no cut/paste involved, using programs like MS Paint.

Most "cut an paste" parts stuff is through Shipbucket (which as the name implies, deals with ships), or Junior Generals. However, neither of these two sites really have guides, afaik. Also, DO NOT forget to credit your fellow artists if you make images using parts from either of those two sites. Failure to credit is a big no-no.


Shipbucket has guides, it's called the Style Rules and Standards page.

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Postby Lamoni » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:11 am

Gallia- wrote:
Lamoni wrote:
Most line-art is actually drawing the desired object, with no cut/paste involved, using programs like MS Paint.

Most "cut an paste" parts stuff is through Shipbucket (which as the name implies, deals with ships), or Junior Generals. However, neither of these two sites really have guides, afaik. Also, DO NOT forget to credit your fellow artists if you make images using parts from either of those two sites. Failure to credit is a big no-no.


Shipbucket has guides, it's called the Style Rules and Standards page.


Thanks Galla, you can see how rarely I go Shipbucket.
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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:40 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
I was mostly being facetious, I doubt torsion bars consume enough space in the hull to have fuel tanks built in their place.

erm
they actually do
I read of a comparison of hydropneumatic suspension and torsion bar for the Abrams
it was one or two dozen cubic feet

Assuming 20 cubic feet, that's about 512 litres.
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Lamoni wrote:
Most line-art is actually drawing the desired object, with no cut/paste involved, using programs like MS Paint.

Most "cut an paste" parts stuff is through Shipbucket (which as the name implies, deals with ships), or Junior Generals. However, neither of these two sites really have guides, afaik. Also, DO NOT forget to credit your fellow artists if you make images using parts from either of those two sites. Failure to credit is a big no-no.


Where should I start if I want to make original lineart?

Draw some lines to make shapes.

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Vitaphone Racing
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:47 am

The space the torsion bars occupy is practically useless for any other purpose.
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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:47 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:Where should I start if I want to make original lineart?


Microsoft Paint, black, line, curve, pencil and circle tools, thickness 1px, some reference images. See how it works out.

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:30 am

Anemos Major wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Where should I start if I want to make original lineart?


Microsoft Paint, black, line, curve, pencil and circle tools, thickness 1px, some reference images. See how it works out.

Another piece of advice a lot of first-timers miss: it's a lot easier when you work at a very close zoom level. Trying to lineart with the paintbrush tool with zoom at 100% will get you something looking like a kindergarten doodle; but when you're more or less going pixel-by-pixel while ridiculously up-close, you can get an incredible level of detail.
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Postby Registug » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:51 am

I used to do micro level pixel art, so it turned out that linearting really isn't that hard, just far more tedious on a number of levels
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Postby Kouralia » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:55 am

Registug wrote:I used to do micro level pixel art, so it turned out that linearting really isn't that hard, just far more tedious on a number of levels

Image
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Postby Ea90 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:45 am

Registug wrote:I used to do micro level pixel art, so it turned out that linearting really isn't that hard, just far more tedious on a number of levels

This has definitely been my experience.

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Postby Spoder » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:59 am

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Postby United states of brazilian nations » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:26 pm

so, what are your thoughts on this thing?

good? bad? crap? worth making a knock-off?
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:56 pm

United states of brazilian nations wrote:so, what are your thoughts on this thing?

good? bad? crap? worth making a knock-off?


Reminds me of the French BTR from a few hundred pages back with all the rivets.
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Postby Radictistan » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:23 pm

Krasny-Volny wrote:
United states of brazilian nations wrote:so, what are your thoughts on this thing?

good? bad? crap? worth making a knock-off?


Reminds me of the French BTR from a few hundred pages back with all the rivets.

It's another 8x8 Lego. :roll: At least the LAV III/Stryker has some sexy curves.

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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:25 pm

Is there any advantage of a RWS station based auto-cannon turret as compared to a regular IFV turret?
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Postby Anemos Major » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:55 pm

Oaledonia wrote:Is there any advantage of a RWS station based auto-cannon turret as compared to a regular IFV turret?


A: Profile, as mentioned above
less crew compartment penetration = more space inside the hull
lower crew vulnerability - they'll either not be in the turret, or the turret and its ammunition load won't explode inside the crew compartment
probably better gun elevation too, if you design it properly

Obvious disadvantage is the difficulty of reloading the thing. Do bear in mind that there's a distinction to be made between an unmanned turret and an RWS.

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Postby United states of brazilian nations » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:23 am

Radictistan wrote:
Krasny-Volny wrote:
Reminds me of the French BTR from a few hundred pages back with all the rivets.

It's another 8x8 Lego. :roll: At least the LAV III/Stryker has some sexy curves.


actually, the ones used by the brazilian army will probably be mostly 6x6, salvo for a few variants such as the possible tank destroyer with a 90 or 120mm cannon. the argentine army wants 8x8 variants for all, but i don't think we should give 'em that since they would all be destroyed in the 2nd falklands/malvinas war anyways.

stryker has sexy curves you say? EE-11 Urutu stronk. remove hamburguer from premises.
actually, guarani is basically notUrutu. the "sexy curves" were changed by squary shapes mostly, probably because MOWAG also did so with their Piranha V and so our engineers thought it'd be a good idea to replicate this.


so, i'm thinking about making a rip-off, or maybe a "modernized" variant of it since my nation is basically alternate-reality-brazil. in fact, i'm gonna start making it as soon as i ggt acess to my notebook again - see if i check out in modifications:

- slightly longer and changed personnel arrangement to fit 10 dismounts instead of 9 (brazilian army uses 9-man squad (grupo de combate) with three 3-men fireteams (esquadra). i use 10-man squad and two 5-man fireteams.)
- more powerful engine to (hopefully) go over 110 km/h. maybe.
- ATGMs. tons and tons of ATGMs.
- NERA all over the thing. (is it possible to include NERA plates in the rear doors?)
- APS systems.
- versions with 40mm CTA autocannons, though some will keep the 30mm.
- coaxial .50 HMG instead of that puny 7.62 MMG. the 7.62 is to be re-positioned in the hull and be accessible to the driver or something.
- remotely-controlled pintle-mounted .50 HMG
- a bit moar floor armor. nevermind it is alreadyquite resistant to landmines, but it's always better to have some more protection. you never know how much explosives there are on those pesky IED's.
- a slightly less blovky appearance. slightly.
- slat armor near that engine exaust or whatever that weird non-armored thingy on the right side is.
- some other stuff i can't remember right now. but i will.


also: i've noticed many people draw vehicles from the left side, front pointing left. any particular or important reason for that? because, like, everything i draw is from the right-hand side, and i don't know if there is usually something very important on the left side of vehicles i should know.
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Graznovia wrote:Why does the dude look like Putin?
Did you knot know? There is no Russian people, only clones of Putin. We don't get names, just Numbers.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Kouralia wrote:AKA FiSH and CHiPS(Fighting in Someone's House and Causing Havoc in Public Spaces):p

Fordorsia wrote:Breaking news: The estimated leading cause of death is dying.
Imperializt Russia wrote:Well what it is, is an 18.5mm piece of hollow metal that, through witchcraft and evil, becomes significantly larger than 18.5mm.
Puzikas wrote:fuck you for drawing a good looking bulpup AK.
Puzikas wrote:USBN has a sensor that triggers after anything vaguely Brazilian is mentioned.
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