LGBT in Catholic High Schools Discussion

[Hakio]

Society no longer requires the "benefit" of procreation. Overpopulation is a problem increasing in severity.

Homosexuality is triggered by epigenetic factors in the womb which, last I checked, isn't human-caused. And, even if it was... what, pray tell, defines how "natural" something is? After all, humans are a part of nature, as well- humans are animals, too, just ones with superior minds compared to the rest of Earth's organisms.

I've noticed this trend amoungst those fighting to promote their views of homosexuality. When their faced with an argument against nature or the "humans aren't animals" stance, then they use vague metaphors or long-winged philosophical statements to confuse or agitate their opponent. See, I like many others, believe homosexuality a mental illness of some sort, the same way many other maladies we humans are born with to be a result of human imperfection. I would assume you believe autism, cancer, and Siamese twins to be nature too, huh? I believe homosexuality is one of the many imperfections humans are faced with in society.

Homosexuality was taken off the DSM list of mental disorders in 1973. Do you reject all modern psychology then too?

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

Homosexuality was taken off the DSM list of mental disorders in 1973. Do you reject all modern psychology then too?

That removal was for political purposes, not for medical purposes in my opinion. You can reject that change without rejecting all modern psychology, i believe. It's also subjective, as to whether you view homosexual activities as negative or not.

[Vashta Nerada]

Really, the Catholic Church should shove their homophobia right up their ass. Jesus didn't say jack shit about homosexuality, and the Old Testament homophobia is rendered void by the fulfillment brought by the coming of the Messiah. God doesn't hate anyone, and the sooner Catholics start to realize that, the better.

Perhaps you didn't read 1 Corinthians 6:9,10: "What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom." I think the Catholics are just doing what they were warned to avoid.

[Hakio]

Homosexuality was taken off the DSM list of mental disorders in 1973. Do you reject all modern psychology then too?

That removal was for political purposes, not for medical purposes in my opinion. You can reject that change without rejecting all modern psychology, i believe. It's also subjective, as to whether you view homosexual activities as negative or not.

If it's subjective than it can't be objectively wrong because a deity said so.

[Thafoo]

AIDS is the result of heroin abuse, sir. It can be contracted during anal sex, which not all gay men do, and can just as easily be contracted from heterosexual anal sex which isn't an uncommon practice.

sodomy, homosexuality... both are sinful behaviors.

Avoiding sexual relations outside of marriage brings your chances of catching such a disease to near 0%.

Really, the Catholic Church should shove their homophobia right up their ass. Jesus didn't say jack shit about homosexuality, and the Old Testament homophobia is rendered void by the fulfillment brought by the coming of the Messiah. God doesn't hate anyone, and the sooner Catholics start to realize that, the better.

Who said anything about 'hate'?

Marriage does not magically void virological STD transmission.

Society no longer requires the "benefit" of procreation. Overpopulation is a problem increasing in severity.

Homosexuality is triggered by epigenetic factors in the womb which, last I checked, isn't human-caused. And, even if it was... what, pray tell, defines how "natural" something is? After all, humans are a part of nature, as well- humans are animals, too, just ones with superior minds compared to the rest of Earth's organisms.

I've noticed this trend amoungst those fighting to promote their views of homosexuality. When their faced with an argument against nature or the "humans aren't animals" stance, then they use vague metaphors or long-winged philosophical statements to confuse or agitate their opponent. See, I like many others, believe homosexuality a mental illness of some sort, the same way many other maladies we humans are born with to be a result of human imperfection. I would assume you believe autism, cancer, and Siamese twins to be nature too, huh? I believe homosexuality is one of the many imperfections humans are faced with in society.

Yes, they're nature. They're a part of genetic mutation and imperfections that are a part of nature. I'm not saying autism isn't a mental illness, cancer isn't a malady, and being Siamese twins isn't unfortunate, however.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Homosexuality was taken off the DSM list of mental disorders in 1973. Do you reject all modern psychology then too?

That removal was for political purposes, not for medical purposes in my opinion. You can reject that change without rejecting all modern psychology, i believe. It's also subjective, as to whether you view homosexual activities as negative or not.

You do realize that homosexuality was illegal in the hyper-majority of the world back then? Why the fuck would they remove it for political reasons when the political stance was majorly anti LGBT? Huh? Oh, wait, that's right, it wasn't political, it was fucking scientific.

[Bruce Howard]

King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


All of you abominations are worthy of THE DEATH PENALTY, no discussion, no remorse, no sympathy.

Yahweh's wrath against you is going to be more furious than the fire and brimestone rained down upon Sodom and Gommorah.

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

That removal was for political purposes, not for medical purposes in my opinion. You can reject that change without rejecting all modern psychology, i believe. It's also subjective, as to whether you view homosexual activities as negative or not.

If it's subjective than it can't be objectively wrong because a deity said so.

It is objectively and horrifically wrong, don't be fooled by this new homosexual agenda that attempts to make you believe it is right.

because it is not. It was disgusting , horrible and understood mental disorder 30-40 years ago, and it still is today. 30-40 years from now, it wouldn't surprise me if NAMBLA was given serious consideration at this rate, the erosion of morality is a very, very slippery path. Once it is gone, Sodom and Gomorrah type situation is inevitable. But there is hope and treatment for those who seek it, this lifestyle is not necessary.

[Hakio]

King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


All of you abominations are worthy of THE DEATH PENALTY, no discussion, no remorse, no sympathy.

Yahweh's wrath against you is going to be more furious than the fire and brimestone rained down upon Sodom and Gommorah.

I should be killed for kissing a boy I like? Isnt that harsh?

[Vashta Nerada]

I've noticed this trend amoungst those fighting to promote their views of homosexuality. When their faced with an argument against nature or the "humans aren't animals" stance, then they use vague metaphors or long-winged philosophical statements to confuse or agitate their opponent. See, I like many others, believe homosexuality a mental illness of some sort, the same way many other maladies we humans are born with to be a result of human imperfection. I would assume you believe autism, cancer, and Siamese twins to be nature too, huh? I believe homosexuality is one of the many imperfections humans are faced with in society.

Homosexuality was taken off the DSM list of mental disorders in 1973. Do you reject all modern psychology then too?

I don't reject modern psychology or science, but their are many things scientists believe to be correct that is absolutely incorrect. Same psychologists believe that spanking your kids makes them anti-social and public menaces. I've never hidden in a corner to avoid other people or set a building on fire because my mom spanked me. I accepted the discipline and learned to avoid doing the things that got me a spanking. Psychologists however believe that spankings only make you evil. So you see why I don't find everything they say to be credible.

[Hakio]

If it's subjective than it can't be objectively wrong because a deity said so.

It is objectively and horrifically wrong, don't be fooled by this new homosexual agenda that attempts to make you believe it is right.

because it is not. It was disgusting , horrible and understood mental disorder 30-40 years ago, and it still is today. 30-40 years from now, it wouldn't surprise me if NAMBLA was given serious consideration at this rate, the erosion of morality is a very, very slippery path. Once it is gone, Sodom and Gomorrah type situation is inevitable.

but you just said it's subjective.

[Kelinfort]

King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


All of you abominations are worthy of THE DEATH PENALTY, no discussion, no remorse, no sympathy.

Yahweh's wrath against you is going to be more furious than the fire and brimestone rained down upon Sodom and Gommorah.

Hope you don't mix fabrics, eat pigs, cheeseburgers, have sex with your wife when she menstruates or touche her for seven days after until she sacrifices a turtledove.

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

It is objectively and horrifically wrong, don't be fooled by this new homosexual agenda that attempts to make you believe it is right.

because it is not. It was disgusting , horrible and understood mental disorder 30-40 years ago, and it still is today. 30-40 years from now, it wouldn't surprise me if NAMBLA was given serious consideration at this rate, the erosion of morality is a very, very slippery path. Once it is gone, Sodom and Gomorrah type situation is inevitable.

but you just said it's subjective.

Irrelevant, subjective merely means that opinions differ. But although opinions differ, facts remain the same.

[Kelinfort]

If it's subjective than it can't be objectively wrong because a deity said so.

It is objectively and horrifically wrong, don't be fooled by this new homosexual agenda that attempts to make you believe it is right.

because it is not. It was disgusting , horrible and understood mental disorder 30-40 years ago, and it still is today. 30-40 years from now, it wouldn't surprise me if NAMBLA was given serious consideration at this rate, the erosion of morality is a very, very slippery path. Once it is gone, Sodom and Gomorrah type situation is inevitable. But there is hope and treatment for those who seek it, this lifestyle is not necessary.

God will destroy all of us, run!!!

[Hakio]

Honestly, I'm kind of shocked by the level of animosity I'm getting. Remember you're speaking to a 16 year old kid about how if I like a guy I am evil and should be killed. This is not appropriate adult behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if a moderator locks this. Seriously, you're saying I, a young 16 year old kid, SHOULD DIE. What the hell...

[Fascist Russian Empire]

If it's subjective than it can't be objectively wrong because a deity said so.

It is objectively and horrifically wrong, don't be fooled by this new homosexual agenda that attempts to make you believe it is right.

because it is not. It was disgusting , horrible and understood mental disorder 30-40 years ago, and it still is today. 30-40 years from now, it wouldn't surprise me if NAMBLA was given serious consideration at this rate, the erosion of morality is a very, very slippery path. Once it is gone, Sodom and Gomorrah type situation is inevitable. But there is hope and treatment for those who seek it, this lifestyle is not necessary.

Good fucking God, will you stop with this shit? Homosexuality isn't a God damn agenda, its a sexuality. Do you choose to get turned on by girls? No? Well, guess fucking what, I don't choose to get turned on by guys. But, somehow it's okay to discriminate against me because of my sexual orientation, because of some bullshit in the Torah?

Homosexuality is perfectly fucking moral. Two nice guys can fall in love, get married, and be perfectly good Christians just like everyone else.

[Thafoo]

King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


All of you abominations are worthy of THE DEATH PENALTY, no discussion, no remorse, no sympathy.

Yahweh's wrath against you is going to be more furious than the fire and brimestone rained down upon Sodom and Gommorah.

Hope you don't mix fabrics, eat pigs, cheeseburgers, have sex with your wife when she menstruates or touche her for seven days after until she sacrifices a turtledove.

Add that to not touching Mount Sinai, sitting where any menstruating woman has sat, wearing tassels upon the ends of your clothing, stoning any adulterer as far as your eyes see... the list goes on.

Year of Living Biblically is a great book to know about these sort of things.

[Magna Libero]

If you're a bisexual you could live a heterosexual life. Big deal?

What is wrong is sodomy, but also homosexuality, like in those places as OP pointed out in the Bible on the first page of the topic.

[Thafoo]

Honestly, I'm kind of shocked by the level of animosity I'm getting. Remember you're speaking to a 16 year old kid about how if I like a guy I am evil and should be killed. This is not appropriate adult behavior and I wouldn't be surprised if a moderator locks this. Seriously, you're saying I, a young 16 year old kid, SHOULD DIE. What the hell...

Don't get a bad taste. If you look elsewhere, NS is, like, 60% LGBT.

Like, my region has 112 nations and is about 80% LGBT.

[Hakio]

If you're a bisexual you could live a heterosexual life. Big deal?

What is wrong is sodomy, but also homosexuality, like in those places as OP pointed out in the Bible on the first page of the topic.

I'm just happy you're not telling me I should be shot...

[Thafoo]

If you're a bisexual you could live a heterosexual life. Big deal?

What is wrong is sodomy, but also homosexuality, like in those places as OP pointed out in the Bible on the first page of the topic.

I... the second bit was incomprehensible. Please clarify.

[Vashta Nerada]

King James Version (KJV)
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


All of you abominations are worthy of THE DEATH PENALTY, no discussion, no remorse, no sympathy.

Yahweh's wrath against you is going to be more furious than the fire and brimestone rained down upon Sodom and Gommorah.

I should be killed for kissing a boy I like? Isnt that harsh?

If you read the part the Bible where Jesus explains the purpose of the Mosaic Law, you'd understand that many of those laws you aren't bound too. He stated that the Mosaic Law went out with him, and was to be replaced by the Messianic Law which followed him. This was the main reasons the Jews wanted to and ultimately killed Jesus. They didn't want the Mosaic Law to go. Modern Christians aren't bound to the Mosaic Law, though many of its laws do serve to reinforce the laws of the Messianic Law. When confronted with an issue regarding an adulteress, Jesus stated that those with no sin throw the first stone. He thus put to an end the practice of killing those who sinned, something that only his Father was to perform when the time was right (Armageddon). So no, the death penalty is no longer accepted in Christianity. Nice try though.

[Hakio]

I should be killed for kissing a boy I like? Isnt that harsh?

If you read the part the Bible where Jesus explains the purpose of the Mosaic Law, you'd understand that many of those laws you aren't bound too. He stated that the Mosaic Law went out with him, and was to be replaced by the Messianic Law which followed him. This was the main reasons the Jews wanted to and ultimately killed Jesus. They didn't want the Mosaic Law to go. Modern Christians aren't bound to the Mosaic Law, though many of its laws do serve to reinforce the laws of the Messianic Law. When confronted with an issue regarding an adulteress, Jesus stated that those with no sin throw the first stone. He thus put to an end the practice of killing those who sinned, something that only his Father was to perform when the time was right (Armageddon). So no, the death penalty is no longer accepted in Christianity. Nice try though.

How old are you? Seriously?

[Hakio]

Once again, if you're an adult you're telling a minor over the internet that he should be stoned to death for something he has no control over. Act your fucking age.

[Mike the Progressive]

No.

Obama.