Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Fordorsia]

Except it's not square.

Then how is the ERA laid like that?

What turret are you referring to and what do you mean exactly? I assume you don't think it actually looks like a simple square.

[Anemos Major]

What turret are you referring to and what do you mean exactly? I assume you don't think it actually looks like a simple square.

The latter two MBT-70 rips - I think he's trying to say that the ERA placement is very angular, which shows that the tank is more akin in shape to the Abrams (with its flat, frontal armour facing and the angular shape of the turret) as opposed to the MBT-70, which has a bit more of a rounded turret and would thus require smaller ERA panels to be placed at different angles along the turret frontage (by virtue of its shape). Hence the reference to the Israeli M60s with Blazer armour - the tank has a rounded turret, and the ERA panels are narrower so they can navigate around the turret's shape. You can easily remedy the problem by doing what the Russians do with some of their reactive armour, which is to mount the ERA on a frame mounted on the turret (as opposed to attaching it to mounting points on the turret itself).

Reposting for justice.

[Fordorsia]

What turret are you referring to and what do you mean exactly? I assume you don't think it actually looks like a simple square.

The latter two MBT-70 rips - I think he's trying to say that the ERA placement is very angular, which shows that the tank is more akin in shape to the Abrams (with its flat, frontal armour facing and the angular shape of the turret) as opposed to the MBT-70, which has a bit more of a rounded turret and would thus require smaller ERA panels to be placed at different angles along the turret frontage (by virtue of its shape). Hence the reference to the Israeli M60s with Blazer armour - the tank has a rounded turret, and the ERA panels are narrower so they can navigate around the turret's shape. You can easily remedy the problem by doing what the Russians do with some of their reactive armour, which is to mount the ERA on a frame mounted on the turret (as opposed to attaching it to mounting points on the turret itself).

Well, the mantle is pretty much the same angle as the Abrams', and the sides of the turret are straight, so it's fine.

[Oaledonia]

The latter two MBT-70 rips - I think he's trying to say that the ERA placement is very angular, which shows that the tank is more akin in shape to the Abrams (with its flat, frontal armour facing and the angular shape of the turret) as opposed to the MBT-70, which has a bit more of a rounded turret and would thus require smaller ERA panels to be placed at different angles along the turret frontage (by virtue of its shape). Hence the reference to the Israeli M60s with Blazer armour - the tank has a rounded turret, and the ERA panels are narrower so they can navigate around the turret's shape. You can easily remedy the problem by doing what the Russians do with some of their reactive armour, which is to mount the ERA on a frame mounted on the turret (as opposed to attaching it to mounting points on the turret itself).

Well, the mantle is pretty much the same angle as the Abrams', and the sides of the turret are straight, so it's fine.

So you drew an Abrams, and not an MBT-70

[Fordorsia]

Well, the mantle is pretty much the same angle as the Abrams', and the sides of the turret are straight, so it's fine.

So you drew an Abrams, and not an MBT-70

If the most modern model happens to have it's mantle like the Abrams, then yes. It's the exact same as the Abrams.

Why the hell would I make it the exact same as the MBT-70 anyway?

[Oaledonia]

So you drew an Abrams, and not an MBT-70

If the most modern model happens to have it's mantle like the Abrams, then yes. It's the exact same as the Abrams.

Seeing as a modern model basically is an Abrams, yup.

Nao change name b4 I report u pl0x

[Gallia-]

I don't know what a tank mantle is, but I know the gun mantlet is aesthetically similar to MBT-70.

Everything else resembles M1.

[Fordorsia]

M41A1 Troubadour

Protection: 20-100mm

Armament:

110mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted M20 LCSW

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

As WWII once again became more aggressive and fought with brute force, Fordorsia started to employ more heavily armoured tank destroyers for use against the increasing numbers of heavy tanks being used on all sides.
One of the most famous of these tank destroyers was the M41 Troubadour. First put into service in 1941 as an infantry support tank, it's 110mm gun allowed it to adequately engage all types of ground targets and still keep up with the infantry it was supporting. It's reletively thick frontal armour gave it a small chance of holding it's own against lower-caliber guns, but it's thin side and rear armour, as well as it's open-topped turret made it extremely vulnerable too being flanked or attacked by infantry.
350 M41A1s were made and put into service.


M41A2 Troubadour

Protection: 20-135mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

In 1945, as many countries were fielding the largest and most heavily armoured vehicles that they would during the war, it became apparent that the M41 would need to be converted into a dedicated tank destroyer instead of being used for infantry support. The remaining 290 M41A1s were converted and continued to see service.
Changes included a fully-enclosed turret with a new, much thicker mantle, as well as the ability to now carry a 130mm AT gun, making the M41A2 lethal at long ranges. Other changes included making the front hull one large, sloped compartment for both the driver and radio operator, instead of the two individual box compartments of the M41A1, as well as giving the radio operator a hull-mounted 7.65mm machine gun.


M41A3 Troubadour

Protection: 30-200mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Co-axial 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

As the war was nearing it's end in 1954, explosive reactive armour, or ERA had been introduced to Fordorsia and the nations within Ulfheim. This allowed them to further improve the protection of their current vehicles, without having to make them significantly larger or heavier. The remaining 180 M41A2s were converted to accommodate the ERA. This meant they were fitted with new turrets, driver and radio operator compartments and spaced armour over the sides of the hull fitted with ERA. The new turrets featured a sloped turret face, as well as improved optics for the commander, gunner, driver and radio operator. The whole front half of the turret was covered in ERA, with the rear being covered with slat armour.
The front of the hull, now with the machine gun removed, was now one large, featureless slope covered completely in ERA.
As well as the defensive measures, the M41s were also given new engines, transmissions and the most advanced optics at the time, making it one of the most effective tanks during the last stages of the war.
It is estimated that out of the 50 M41A3s that made it to the front lines before the war's end, nearly all of them scored at least 15 kills, with many having a much higher count. It is also estimated that the M41, throughout it's service history, was responsible for the destruction of well over 2,500 vehicles, making it one of Fordorsia's most successful vehicles of the war, second only the the M42.
After several minor upgrades and changes throughout the 70's and 80's, the venerable M41 Troubadour is still in service with Fordorsia, making it the country's longest-serving vehicle.

tl:dr M41 Troubadour is the best

[Anemos Major]

Type: Medium tank
Nation of Origin: First Anemonian Empire
In service: 1943-47

Crew: 5 men (Commander, Gunner, Loader in turret, Driver, Radio Operator in hull)
Radio: Modelyr 42 YNF (VHF, AM)

Combat weight: 39,200kg
Length: 6.78m (hull), 9.53m (gun forward)
Width: 3.35m
Height: 2.79m (to top of hatch)
Armor (mm): 15-112mm
Vehicle construction: Multiple casting welded steel (hull and turret)

Armament:
- Primary: 80mm YrC(AF) M.43 L/65
- Secondary: 2x Mly.r 40 7.7mm GPMG (co-axial, hull ball mount)
Ammunition:
- Primary: 80mm, 55 rounds
- Secondary: 7.7mm, 4900 rounds
Turret:
- Traverse: Hand & Hydraulic
- Traverse Rate: 22 degrees/sec
- Elevation/Depression: +20/-12.5 (manual)

Optics:
- Gunner: Sighting telescope (stadiametric rangefinder, 2.5x-5x adjustable magnification, 28/14 degree field of view)
- Commander: One piece periscope (forward facing, 2.5x magnification, 28 degree field of view), seven piece vision block (peripheral, 1x magnification)
- Driver: Two piece vision block (forward/left facing, 1x magnification), three piece episcope (forward arc, 1x magnification)
- Hull MG: Sighting telescope (stadiametric rangefinder, 2x magnification, 20 degrees field of view)

Engine: Marsyn Mlyr. 40/2 'Barracuda B' water-cooled V12 26L gasoline engine producing 650hp (~480kW)
P/W ratio: 16.58hp/t
Transmission: Marsyn T40 Constant Mesh (6 forward, 1 reverse)
Steering: Controlled differential, steering levers
Brakes: Mechanical, external contracting

Suspension: Torsion bar
Road wheels: Five individually sprung dual
Track return rollers: Four dual
Drive sprocket: 12-tooth rear drive
Idler: Adjustable, dual forward
Shock absorbers: On first and last 2 road wheels

Fuel Capacity: 510l
Speed:
- Road: 54km/h
- Off-road: 10-20km/h
Cruising range: 210km (Road)
Gradient: 60 degrees
Fording depth: 1.0m (1.3m prepared)
Trench crossing: 2.3m
Vertical obstacle: 0.91m

---

Type: Medium tank
Nation of Origin: First Anemonian Empire
In service: 1946-1950

Crew: 4 men (Commander, Gunner, Driver, Radio Operator in hull)
Radio: Modelyr 45 YNF (VHF, AM)

Combat weight: 44,500kg
Length: 6.87m (hull), 10.29m (gun forward)
Width: 3.35m
Height: 2.66m (to top of hatch)
Armor (mm): 16-125mm
Vehicle construction: Welded rolled steel (hull), welded composite cast-rolled (turret)

Armament:
- Primary: 92mm YrC(IA) M.45 L/55
- Secondary: 2x Mlyr. 44 7.7mm GPMG (co-axial, hull ball mount)
Ammunition:
- Primary: 92mm, 30 rounds (10 ready)
- Secondary: 7.7mm, 4500 rounds
Turret:
- Traverse: Hand & Hydraulic (w/ commander's override lever)
- Traverse Rate: 22 degrees/sec
- Elevation/Depression: +12/-6 (Hydraulic)

Optics:
- Gunner: Sighting telescope (stadiametric rangefinder, 6x magnification, 12 degree field of view)
- Commander: Traversing periscope (2.5x-5x magnification, 28/14 degree field of view), active infra-red night vision device (200mm searchlight and scope, image converter), six piece vision block (peripheral, 1x magnification)
- Driver: Five piece episcope (forward panoramic, 1x magnification)
- Hull MG: Sighting telescope (stadiametric rangefinder, 2x magnification, 20 degrees field of view)

Engine: Marsyn Mlyr. 44 'Barracuda 2' water-cooled V12 30L gasoline engine producing 750hp (~560kW)
P/W ratio: 16.85hp/t
Transmission: Marsyn T44 Synchromesh (5 forward, 1 reverse)
Steering: Triple differential, steering levers
Brakes: Mechanical, external contracting

Suspension: Torsion bar
Road wheels: Five individually sprung dual
Track return rollers: Four dual
Drive sprocket: 12-tooth rear drive
Idler: Adjustable, dual forward
Shock absorbers: On first and last 2 road wheels

Fuel Capacity: 525l
Speed:
- Road: 48km/h
- Off-road: 10-20km/h
Cruising range: 180km (Road)
Gradient: 60 degrees
Fording depth: 0.7m (1.3m prepared)
Trench crossing: 2.3m
Vertical obstacle: 0.91m

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

That turret. Hnnnng. Would an oscillating turret lend itself to a TD? Gut is telling me no.

[Gallia-]

That turret. Hnnnng. Would an oscillating turret lend itself to a TD? Gut is telling me no.

Is this a serious question?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Indeed it is. Tanks are still a new and wondrous world to me.

[San-Silvacian]

(Image)

M41A1 Troubadour

Protection: 20-100mm

Armament:

110mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted M20 LCSW

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

As WWII once again became more aggressive and fought with brute force, Fordorsia started to employ more heavily armoured tank destroyers for use against the increasing numbers of heavy tanks being used on all sides.
One of the most famous of these tank destroyers was the M41 Troubadour. First put into service in 1941 as an infantry support tank, it's 110mm gun allowed it to adequately engage all types of ground targets and still keep up with the infantry it was supporting. It's reletively thick frontal armour gave it a small chance of holding it's own against lower-caliber guns, but it's thin side and rear armour, as well as it's open-topped turret made it extremely vulnerable too being flanked or attacked by infantry.
350 M41A1s were made and put into service.


M41A2 Troubadour

Protection: 20-135mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

In 1945, as many countries were fielding the largest and most heavily armoured vehicles that they would during the war, it became apparent that the M41 would need to be converted into a dedicated tank destroyer instead of being used for infantry support. The remaining 290 M41A1s were converted and continued to see service.
Changes included a fully-enclosed turret with a new, much thicker mantle, as well as the ability to now carry a 130mm AT gun, making the M41A2 lethal at long ranges. Other changes included making the front hull one large, sloped compartment for both the driver and radio operator, instead of the two individual box compartments of the M41A1, as well as giving the radio operator a hull-mounted 7.65mm machine gun.


M41A3 Troubadour

Protection: 30-200mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Co-axial 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

As the war was nearing it's end in 1954, explosive reactive armour, or ERA had been introduced to Fordorsia and the nations within Ulfheim. This allowed them to further improve the protection of their current vehicles, without having to make them significantly larger or heavier. The remaining 180 M41A2s were converted to accommodate the ERA. This meant they were fitted with new turrets, driver and radio operator compartments and spaced armour over the sides of the hull fitted with ERA. The new turrets featured a sloped turret face, as well as improved optics for the commander, gunner, driver and radio operator. The whole front half of the turret was covered in ERA, with the rear being covered with slat armour.
The front of the hull, now with the machine gun removed, was now one large, featureless slope covered completely in ERA.
As well as the defensive measures, the M41s were also given new engines, transmissions and the most advanced optics at the time, making it one of the most effective tanks during the last stages of the war.
It is estimated that out of the 50 M41A3s that made it to the front lines before the war's end, nearly all of them scored at least 15 kills, with many having a much higher count. It is also estimated that the M41, throughout it's service history, was responsible for the destruction of well over 2,500 vehicles, making it one of Fordorsia's most successful vehicles of the war, second only the the M42.
After several minor upgrades and changes throughout the 70's and 80's, the venerable M41 Troubadour is still in service with Fordorsia, making it the country's longest-serving vehicle.

tl:dr M41 Troubadour is the best

ur m41 wurst m41



Best M41.

---

Also,

I think I want to change up my infantry support. Instead of HIFV w/ 40mm autocannons, keep the 25mm design and instead spam the fuck out of rapid-firing 76mm designs (Firing at around 10-15 rpms for lulz). Supported by glorious 105mm wheeled death trucks and AMX-30s, French infantry will be invincible.

[Gallia-]

Indeed it is. Tanks are still a new and wondrous world to me.

Then I will give a serious answer: Yes.

[Krasny-Volny]

That turret. Hnnnng. Would an oscillating turret lend itself to a TD? Gut is telling me no.

"Hnnnng" has such a nice ring to it.

Like a fin-stabilised shell sliding off the rack.
Or an electric turret in traverse.

[Fordorsia]

(Image)

M41A1 Troubadour

Protection: 20-100mm

Armament:

110mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted M20 LCSW

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

As WWII once again became more aggressive and fought with brute force, Fordorsia started to employ more heavily armoured tank destroyers for use against the increasing numbers of heavy tanks being used on all sides.
One of the most famous of these tank destroyers was the M41 Troubadour. First put into service in 1941 as an infantry support tank, it's 110mm gun allowed it to adequately engage all types of ground targets and still keep up with the infantry it was supporting. It's reletively thick frontal armour gave it a small chance of holding it's own against lower-caliber guns, but it's thin side and rear armour, as well as it's open-topped turret made it extremely vulnerable too being flanked or attacked by infantry.
350 M41A1s were made and put into service.


M41A2 Troubadour

Protection: 20-135mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Pintle-mounted 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

In 1945, as many countries were fielding the largest and most heavily armoured vehicles that they would during the war, it became apparent that the M41 would need to be converted into a dedicated tank destroyer instead of being used for infantry support. The remaining 290 M41A1s were converted and continued to see service.
Changes included a fully-enclosed turret with a new, much thicker mantle, as well as the ability to now carry a 130mm AT gun, making the M41A2 lethal at long ranges. Other changes included making the front hull one large, sloped compartment for both the driver and radio operator, instead of the two individual box compartments of the M41A1, as well as giving the radio operator a hull-mounted 7.65mm machine gun.


M41A3 Troubadour

Protection: 30-200mm

Armament:

130mm AT Gun
Co-axial 7.65mm machine gun

Crew: 6 (Commander, Driver, Radio Operator, Gunner, Loader, Loader)

As the war was nearing it's end in 1954, explosive reactive armour, or ERA had been introduced to Fordorsia and the nations within Ulfheim. This allowed them to further improve the protection of their current vehicles, without having to make them significantly larger or heavier. The remaining 180 M41A2s were converted to accommodate the ERA. This meant they were fitted with new turrets, driver and radio operator compartments and spaced armour over the sides of the hull fitted with ERA. The new turrets featured a sloped turret face, as well as improved optics for the commander, gunner, driver and radio operator. The whole front half of the turret was covered in ERA, with the rear being covered with slat armour.
The front of the hull, now with the machine gun removed, was now one large, featureless slope covered completely in ERA.
As well as the defensive measures, the M41s were also given new engines, transmissions and the most advanced optics at the time, making it one of the most effective tanks during the last stages of the war.
It is estimated that out of the 50 M41A3s that made it to the front lines before the war's end, nearly all of them scored at least 15 kills, with many having a much higher count. It is also estimated that the M41, throughout it's service history, was responsible for the destruction of well over 2,500 vehicles, making it one of Fordorsia's most successful vehicles of the war, second only the the M42.
After several minor upgrades and changes throughout the 70's and 80's, the venerable M41 Troubadour is still in service with Fordorsia, making it the country's longest-serving vehicle.

tl:dr M41 Troubadour is the best

ur m41 wurst m41



Best M41.

---

Also,

I think I want to change up my infantry support. Instead of HIFV w/ 40mm autocannons, keep the 25mm design and instead spam the fuck out of rapid-firing 76mm designs (Firing at around 10-15 rpms for lulz). Supported by glorious 105mm wheeled death trucks and AMX-30s, French infantry will be invincible.

ur m41 dont even have a 130mm gun

[San-Silvacian]

76mm HV gun all u need to destory anything

[Yes Im Biop]

76mm HV gun all u need to destory anything

90 or broke. Is there any tank you can't kill with a Sabot dart 90mm?

[Kouralia]

76mm HV gun all u need to destory anything

90 or broke. Is there any tank you can't kill with a Sabot dart 90mm?

Lemon Rust

[Fordorsia]

76mm HV gun all u need to destory anything

90 or broke. Is there any tank you can't kill with a Sabot dart 90mm?

Yes

[Yes Im Biop]

I'm not sure ether of those are fair...Though my APC is armored up to a few hundred pounds of HE and the crew should survive so

[Imperializt Russia]

There's a slight different fence between bomb proofing and surviving direct hit from a bomb or oversize artillery shell.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

76mm HV gun all u need to destory anything

90 or broke. Is there any tank you can't kill with a Sabot dart 90mm?

I think that you can not pen the abrams with it. Not sure.

[Yes Im Biop]

There's a slight different fence between bomb proofing and surviving direct hit from a bomb or oversize artillery shell.

Direct hit from Arty you are fucked sideways no matter what you are

[Imperializt Russia]

There's a slight different fence between bomb proofing and surviving direct hit from a bomb or oversize artillery shell.

Direct hit from Arty you are fucked sideways no matter what you are

Okay, just checking.