Ukrainian Crisis

[Lemanrussland]

There's your number one problem: you're quoting Putin's mouthpiece sometimes known as Russia Today.

Who should I quote, the Western media, which is the mouthpiece of American and European governments and corporations that seek to tarnish Russia?

Yes, quote the fascist-imperialist agitators and those counter-revolutionary saboteurs (that is, the independent media Russia has censored and blocked). They are much more trustworthy than the Russian state media, believe it or not.

[The Lone Alliance]

I don't believe you.

Then don't.
It really doesn't affect me.

You are more or less saying "Everyone shut up because Iraq!"

That's pretty much going "Everyone in the world should shut up and let Russia do this because of past crimes"

That's not to far off from saying "I believe no one should complain because everyone else has done it."

If one does not speak up in protest, then it there is nothing to suggest the action is not acceptable.

And silence is the same as agreeing.

[The Nihilistic view]

When was the last time an American President was not trigger happy at some point over their terms?

Somewhere before Reagan. Maybe.

What did Carter do again, foreign policy wise?

Olympic Boycott and Iran Hostage Crisis probably the two main ones.

[Lyttenburgh]

I love your use of the "cartoon villain" meme to imply that MODERN ultranationalists can't be anywhere NEAR as problematic as the 20th-Century variety.

About what "ultranationalists" we are talking here? Ukrainian(*)? Or did you just called Russian government not only idiotic, but also nationalistic, because of their position regarding the treatment of their compatriots and kin in other countries? Oy wey, in that case what is your opinion on the Jewish Republic of Israel attitude to the same thing?

That and your ignorance of the history of the former Soviet Bloc are just so... cute.

And your constant avoiding of giving a straight answer to simple question is annoying.

You DO realize that you really didn't have much of a home-grown Communist movement back in the 40's, when you FIRST overran these countries and established puppet governments there, right? Or did they tell you in your history books that the people of Poland and the Baltic States welcomed their Soviet overlords with open arms and gladly established Stalinist governments in an outpouring of grateful admiration for their liberators?

"Overran" - really? You are fucking kidding me! What kind of "government" the Red Army overran in Baltic? Free liberal democratic tolerant republics, with absolutely no ties to the 3rd Reich? No - just soma nazi bastards, their gauleiters and local pro-nazis - in 1944-5. As for Poland - ever heard about Armija Ludowa that together with the Red Army liberated (yes, LIBERATED) Poland? No? Nothing rings a bell? Or do you honestly claim, as a lot of russophobes do, that Red Army was just a pillaging and raping Asiatic horde, that did not freed people of Europe from the Nazi occupation, that they were only good at despoiling and destroying? That no one of them, liberated Europeans were ever grateful for their rescue? Do you?

As for "establishing of Stalinist governments" - that happened after the war and in perfect accordance with the previous agreements between USSR, USA and GB achieved during the Teheran, Yalta and Potsdam conferences. So called "Allies" had the opportunity to say - "Uncle Joe, allow Poland's and Serbian governments in exile return to their countries! Pribaltica is a free land! Oh, and we also insist on having a free and unhindered elections in all of these countries!", but instead prefered to stick their collective tongue deep-deep in the arse-hole. That's why with the West's quite blessing all these countries wound up in the USSR sphere of influence.

I had to repeat my question - what is your REAL arguements, that Russia would just roll guns-blazing over Pribaltica and Poland? "Look at Crimea" - is not an argument.



*Yeah, kids here are chanting "One country, one people, one language", "Hang Moscal on the branch" and "Who is not jumping - is moscal"

[Exi1and]

Who should I quote, the Western media, which is the mouthpiece of American and European governments and corporations that seek to tarnish Russia?

Youu should quote both, to get a balanced view.

Other people claim cites the BBC about the shooting, I quoted RT, to get a more balanced and accurate account of the incident.

[Omorov-Nier]

Then don't.
It really doesn't affect me.

You are more or less saying "Everyone shut up because Iraq!"

That's pretty much going "Everyone in the world should shut up and let Russia do this because of past crimes"

Sounds more to me like you're saying "I believe no one should complain because everyone else has done it."

You are telling the west to shut up. Silence is agreement.

Come on, does anyone read my motherfucking posts?

It doesn't make it okay.
Do not misjudge me, I certainly do not like what Russia is doing here. However, the US should not condemn Russian actions when they have done even worse things in the past (and present).

[Omorov-Nier]

Youu should quote both, to get a balanced view.

Other people claim cites the BBC about the shooting, I quoted RT, to get a more balanced and accurate account of the incident.

To lessen the confusion, you should have also added a link to the BBC article.

[Romano-Germanic Empire]

Youu should quote both, to get a balanced view.

Other people claim cites the BBC about the shooting, I quoted RT, to get a more balanced and accurate account of the incident.

You are aware that RT straight up lies to people correct? Like how they say its a fascist government when there is absolutely no evidence to back up that claim.

[San-Silvacian]

if you want truly unbiased news:

go to the Ukraine, namely, Crimea and just dick around there until one of the two get tired of playing around and have a motor rifle regiment come barging though.

then I'd leave, but hey, its up to you. Free will and all that.

[Omorov-Nier]

Other people claim cites the BBC about the shooting, I quoted RT, to get a more balanced and accurate account of the incident.

You are aware that RT straight up lies to people correct? Like how they say its a fascist government when there is absolutely no evidence to back up that claim.

Uh? Did you even read his post?

[Exi1and]

Other people claim cites the BBC about the shooting, I quoted RT, to get a more balanced and accurate account of the incident.

To lessen the confusion, you should have also added a link to the BBC article.

I will not, I do not want people to think I support the false statements the BBC about the situation.

[Lyttenburgh]

Russia went 80s cartoon villain on things and rolled its military in with insignias taken off so they could push forth a bogus claim that would give retarded foreigners pause. Apparently, they overestimated foreigners, because more than just the retarded ones have apparently been given pause by the "I-swear-they-aren't-Russian-even-if-they-say-so-you-can't-prove-it-they-don't-have-Russian-insignias!".

Please tell me - in what 80-s (or even 90-s) cartoon this kind of stuff did happen? I'm really interesting.

1b) I have no issue with Putin establishing Russia as a great power.
I take issue with him doing so via invasions of foreign countries.

Instead of defiant "I will take the 3rd option!", plese just answer my question. I gave you two variants - which you choose?

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

I think that putins biggest mistake was the military occupation. Self-determination for the Russian majority in the Crimea is acceptable, especially through a referendum. But a military occupation before the referendum ruined what could have turned out fine.

[Scholmeria]

Meet the new general attorney of Crimea.

[Rabopari]

Since when is any country part of the imaginary group called "free world?"

*sighs*

Anyway it is clear the only reason the US would take them precautions is so they can sell gas to Ukraine.

What?

Paul ryan said on a interview with bullshit mountain (Fox News) he has plans to push a bill that would do that

[Lemanrussland]

I love your use of the "cartoon villain" meme to imply that MODERN ultranationalists can't be anywhere NEAR as problematic as the 20th-Century variety.

About what "ultranationalists" we are talking here? Ukrainian(*)? Or did you just called Russian government not only idiotic, but also nationalistic, because of their position regarding the treatment of their compatriots and kin in other countries? Oy wey, in that case what is your opinion on the Jewish Republic of Israel attitude to the same thing?

That and your ignorance of the history of the former Soviet Bloc are just so... cute.

And your constant avoiding of giving a straight answer to simple question is annoying.

You DO realize that you really didn't have much of a home-grown Communist movement back in the 40's, when you FIRST overran these countries and established puppet governments there, right? Or did they tell you in your history books that the people of Poland and the Baltic States welcomed their Soviet overlords with open arms and gladly established Stalinist governments in an outpouring of grateful admiration for their liberators?

"Overran" - really? You are fucking kidding me! What kind of "government" the Red Army overran in Baltic? Free liberal democratic tolerant republics, with absolutely no ties to the 3rd Reich? No - just soma nazi bastards, their gauleiters and local pro-nazis - in 1944-5. As for Poland - ever heard about Armija Ludowa that together with the Red Army liberated (yes, LIBERATED) Poland? No? Nothing rings a bell? Or do you honestly claim, as a lot of russophobes do, that Red Army was just a pillaging and raping Asiatic horde, that did not freed people of Europe from the Nazi occupation, that they were only good at despoiling and destroying? That no one of them, liberated Europeans were ever grateful for their rescue? Do you?

As for "establishing of Stalinist governments" - that happened after the war and in perfect accordance with the previous agreements between USSR, USA and GB achieved during the Teheran, Yalta and Potsdam conferences. So called "Allies" had the opportunity to say - "Uncle Joe, allow Poland's and Serbian governments in exile return to their countries! Pribaltica is a free land! Oh, and we also insist on having a free and unhindered elections in all of these countries!", but instead prefered to stick their collective tongue deep-deep in the arse-hole. That's why with the West's quite blessing all these countries wound up in the USSR sphere of influence.

I had to repeat my question - what is your REAL arguements, that Russia would just roll guns-blazing over Pribaltica and Poland? "Look at Crimea" - is not an argument.



*Yeah, kids here are chanting "One country, one people, one languge" and "Those who are not jumping - is moscal"

Typical Stalinist apologist crap.

The Soviet Union actually broke the agreement made at the Yalta Conference, Stalin had promised national self-determination in the occupied (oh sorry, "liberated") territories. That didn't hold up for long, look at Hungary.

Also, I love how you deflect blame for what the Soviet Union did to Central/Eastern Europe by saying "the West allowed it to happen, nevermind that we were the ones perpetrating the crimes against the people of Eastern and Central Europe". That's like saying what the Nazis did to Poland and Czechoslovakia was okay because the Western powers did nothing to stop them (nevermind the Molotov-Ribbontrop Pact, that is just fascist propaganda). I suppose Crimea is also the West's fault, since we're not trying to bomb Russia to the stone age right now?

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

Meet the new general attorney of Crimea.

Well a big yes to Russian annexation from me

[The Lone Alliance]

You are more or less saying "Everyone shut up because Iraq!"

That's pretty much going "Everyone in the world should shut up and let Russia do this because of past crimes"

Sounds more to me like you're saying "I believe no one should complain because everyone else has done it."

You are telling the west to shut up. Silence is agreement.

Come on, does anyone read my motherfucking posts?

It doesn't make it okay.
Do not misjudge me, I certainly do not like what Russia is doing here. However, the US should not condemn Russian actions when they have done even worse things in the past (and present).

So the US doesn't condemn.
Neither does the rest of the world.
Since no one minds Russia decides to annex something else.
Once again as per your beliefs, no one condemns.
And then somewhere else.
And then a little of this
a little of that.
and so on and so forth until all of Ukraine has been taken as well as every eastern European nation that isn't part of NATO.

Russia condemned the US invasion of Iraq.
To say the US can't condemn Russia for annexing the Crimea is a horrible double standard.

Fact is condemnations are a dime a dozen almost every nation has been condemned for something.

[The balkens]

Meet the new general attorney of Crimea.

DAMN YOU PUTIN AND YOUR WEAPONS OF MASS-SEXINESS.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Russia went 80s cartoon villain on things and rolled its military in with insignias taken off so they could push forth a bogus claim that would give retarded foreigners pause. Apparently, they overestimated foreigners, because more than just the retarded ones have apparently been given pause by the "I-swear-they-aren't-Russian-even-if-they-say-so-you-can't-prove-it-they-don't-have-Russian-insignias!".

Please tell me - in what 80-s (or even 90-s) cartoon this kind of stuff did happen? I'm really interesting.

GI Joe comes to mind. But I believed you to be speaking metaphorically, and metaphorically invading a country with members of your military not wearing any idenitifying insignia (though not removing the license plates or such from the vehicles they used which might identify you) is a kind of cartoonish villainy one would only see in a children's show because of how utterly stupid it is.

Of course, Russia seems to have gotten away with it with little real consequence, so apparently cartoonish villainy works.

1b) I have no issue with Putin establishing Russia as a great power.
I take issue with him doing so via invasions of foreign countries.

Instead of defiant "I will take the 3rd option!", plese just answer my question. I gave you two variants - which you choose?

Obviously since I am decadent imperialist Westerner I desire Russia to be puppet on strings of the globalist IMF conspiracy.

I gave you my answer. I have no problem with Russia as a 'great power'. Whether Russia establishes itself as a 'great power' to you or other Russians or the world (whatever that means) is entirely irrelevant to much of anything.
Russia shouldn't get to invade foreign countries is the relevant portion here. No great power should.

Edit: Nor should non-"great power"s either, for that matter.

[Omorov-Nier]

Come on, does anyone read my motherfucking posts?

So the US doesn't condemn.
Neither does the rest of the world.
Since no one minds Russia decides to annex something else.
Once again as per your beliefs, no one condemns.
And then somewhere else.
And then a little of this
a little of that.
and so on and so forth until all of Ukraine has been taken as well as every eastern European nation that isn't part of NATO.

Russia condemned the US invasion of Iraq.
To say the US can't condemn Russia for annexing the Crimea is a horrible double standard.

Fact is condemnations are a dime a dozen almost every nation has been condemned for something.

Nah, anyone with half a brain knows that Ruussia won't do shit after this. The US will definitely not intervene in an invasion of Ukraine, but, however, the internal resistance (not only on Ukraine but also in Russia) would be very high. Putin is not retarded, sso he on't do shit after this.
I don't know what's up with you people who think if the US wasn't world police everything would fall apart.

I also do think Russia condemning the Iraq war is hypocrisy, the same way the US condemning the annexation of Crimea by Russia being hypocrisy.
At least there was significant russian support in the crimea.

[Delator]

You DO realize that you really didn't have much of a home-grown Communist movement back in the 40's, when you FIRST overran these countries and established puppet governments there, right? Or did they tell you in your history books that the people of Poland and the Baltic States welcomed their Soviet overlords with open arms and gladly established Stalinist governments in an outpouring of grateful admiration for their liberators?

"Overran" - really? You are fucking kidding me! What kind of "government" the Red Army overran in Baltic?

I dunno...you tell me.

Free liberal democratic tolerant republics, with absolutely no ties to the 3rd Reich? No - just soma nazi bastards, their gauleiters and local pro-nazis - in 1944-5.

Oh, I see...we're being choosy about which invasions are tolerable. My mistake.

As for Poland - ever heard about Armija Ludowa that together with the Red Army liberated (yes, LIBERATED) Poland? No? Nothing rings a bell?

I'm supposed to think the Poles are grateful to the Russians for deliberately getting so many of the killed??

Russia has proven time and again that it is no friend to it's neighbors...and cries of "Russophobia" won't change the fact that Russia has earned it's reputation.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Meet the new general attorney of Crimea.

Is it too soon for an "I'd let her prosecute me for distributing propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations"?

[The balkens]

Meet the new general attorney of Crimea.

Is it too soon for an "I'd let her prosecute me for distributing propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations"?

You and me both, general.

EDIT: as a matter of fact, it is not too soon. As a matter of fact I already booked a flight to Crimea just so she can prosecute me.

[Omorov-Nier]

Russia has proven time and again that it is no friend to it's neighbors...and cries of "Russophobia" won't change the fact that Russia has earned it's reputation.

You seem to think the current Russian regime is responsiblle for all that crap.

Plot twist: It isn't.