Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Oaledonia]

Use only glorious Type 64.

but with the 90mm gun of the Hellcat

dang thing would be OP
Well, I guess not since it sees Tier 10s. -.-

Duster SPAAGaroni w/ 105mm *nods*

[Fordorsia]

Coming along very nicely.


Any ideas for the angle at which the turret's traverse is limited to?

[Purpelia]

Coming along very nicely.
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What would be a decent angle at which the turret's traverse is limited to?

As far as those rear ladders will let you.

[Fordorsia]

Coming along very nicely.
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What would be a decent angle at which the turret's traverse is limited to?

As far as those rear ladders will let you.

About 130 degrees then. Got it.

The ladders are on either side of the turret. They won't be hitting anything.

[Purpelia]

As far as those rear ladders will let you.

About 130 degrees then. Got it.

The ladders are on either side of the turret. They won't be hitting anything.

Or you could just make the ladders fold up....

[Fordorsia]

About 130 degrees then. Got it.

The ladders are on either side of the turret. They won't be hitting anything.

Or you could just make the ladders fold up....

They're not in the way of anything.

[Purpelia]

Or you could just make the ladders fold up....

They're not in the way of anything.

As the turret turns you'll hit the hull. So you can't shoot behind your self.

[Fordorsia]

They're not in the way of anything.

As the turret turns you'll hit the hull. So you can't shoot behind your self.

My first reply about making it turn that far was a joke. The length of the gun would make the tank unstable on uneven ground when simply aimed sideways, let alone shooting anywhere near that angle.

I was thinking 50 degrees left and right.

[Anemos Major]

My first reply about making it turn that far was a joke. The length of the gun would make the tank unstable on uneven ground when simply aimed sideways, let alone shooting anywhere near that angle.

I was thinking 50 degrees left and right.

What exactly are you doing with this turret that rotates 50 degrees left and right that can't be performed adequately by the 25-30 degrees of traverse you should be able to gain without it?

[Fordorsia]

My first reply about making it turn that far was a joke. The length of the gun would make the tank unstable on uneven ground when simply aimed sideways, let alone shooting anywhere near that angle.

I was thinking 50 degrees left and right.

What exactly are you doing with this turret that rotates 50 degrees left and right that can't be performed adequately by the 25-30 degrees of traverse you should be able to gain without it?

Maximizing it's capability. With a turret the gun can traverse faster, as the tank can have the turret's front always pointed at the target. And if it needs to, it can engage at shorter range better than a fixed gun ever would.

It also allows for much more room in the turret, which is a pretty substantial advantage.

Besides, the Sturer Emil's gun could only traverse 7 degrees to each side.

[Canuckland]

Right when things couldn't get more NS, they did.



Does anyone have a statblock I could use? I am trying to redo my factbook after almost three months. So I want to revamp it all and get back into this nation. I'm working on other things on paper, but I figured I could come to you guys for advice on my armoured forces. I sometimes thought I knew about armoured vehicles, but my knowledge pales in comparison to some regulars here.

[Kouralia]

Right when things couldn't get more NS, they did.

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Does anyone have a statblock I could use? I am trying to redo my factbook after almost three months. So I want to revamp it all and get back into this nation. I'm working on other things on paper, but I figured I could come to you guys for advice on my armoured forces. I sometimes thought I knew about armoured vehicles, but my knowledge pales in comparison to some regulars here.

25mm gatling with 7.62mm gatling coax?

[Anemos Major]

Maximizing it's capability. With a turret the gun can traverse faster, as the tank can have the turret's front always pointed at the target. And if it needs to, it can engage at shorter range better than a fixed gun ever would.

It also allows for much more room in the turret, which is a pretty substantial advantage.

Besides, the Sturer Emil's gun could only traverse 7 degrees to each side.

Is the turret traverse hand-cranked? Because if it's not, you'll need to make room for a hydraulic or electric traverse mechanism/motor of some sort. Not to mention the fact that you'll need a turret basket, which means you can't have a narrow body chassis like the Sturer Emil if you're planning to use a gun as large as its 128mm - if you use a wider body, or if you have a gun with a shorter breech (one of which you'll have to do), it'll be able to traverse more than 7 degrees anyway (the initial figure I got was from the Ferdinand/Elefant). Beyond that, the 50mm of armour between you and the enemy is hardly worth traversing your turret for, especially during the period in which you'll presumably be deploying a vehicle like this (most of the ammunition fired back in your direction will tear into the crew compartment fairly easily) - open top tank destroyers aren't meant to take return fire, they're meant to use superior firepower and range to destroy a number of enemies from particular positions, and move to alternate positions before counterfire starts heading in its particular direction.

To make a vehicle like this viable for 'up-front' combat, so to speak, you'll need heavier forward protection at the very least, and probably some sort of full firing compartment protection to protect it from HE and artillery fragments. You'll also need to move the engine somewhat, because the turret ring will have to be fitted into the hull (as opposed to an open topped tank destroyer like this, which simply builds the gun into a position on top of the engine); that, on top of the weight of the wider body and the turret traverse mechanism, and I'm not sure what you're proposing is going to work as smoothly as you think it will...

[Fordorsia]

Right when things couldn't get more NS, they did.

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Does anyone have a statblock I could use? I am trying to redo my factbook after almost three months. So I want to revamp it all and get back into this nation. I'm working on other things on paper, but I figured I could come to you guys for advice on my armoured forces. I sometimes thought I knew about armoured vehicles, but my knowledge pales in comparison to some regulars here.

25mm gatling with 7.62mm gatling coax?

Seems understandable to me. 7.62 for missiles and helicopters, 25mm for everything else.

[Anemos Major]

Does anyone have a statblock I could use? I am trying to redo my factbook after almost three months. So I want to revamp it all and get back into this nation. I'm working on other things on paper, but I figured I could come to you guys for advice on my armoured forces. I sometimes thought I knew about armoured vehicles, but my knowledge pales in comparison to some regulars here.

Feel free to remove from and add to it as you see fit.

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[Fordorsia]

Maximizing it's capability. With a turret the gun can traverse faster, as the tank can have the turret's front always pointed at the target. And if it needs to, it can engage at shorter range better than a fixed gun ever would.

It also allows for much more room in the turret, which is a pretty substantial advantage.

Besides, the Sturer Emil's gun could only traverse 7 degrees to each side.

Is the turret traverse hand-cranked? Because if it's not, you'll need to make room for a hydraulic or electric traverse mechanism/motor of some sort. Not to mention the fact that you'll need a turret basket, which means you can't have a narrow body chassis like the Sturer Emil if you're planning to use a gun as large as its 128mm - if you use a wider body, or if you have a gun with a shorter breech (one of which you'll have to do), it'll be able to traverse more than 7 degrees anyway (the initial figure I got was from the Ferdinand/Elefant). Beyond that, the 50mm of armour between you and the enemy is hardly worth traversing your turret for, especially during the period in which you'll presumably be deploying a vehicle like this (most of the ammunition fired back in your direction will tear into the crew compartment fairly easily) - open top tank destroyers aren't meant to take return fire, they're meant to use superior firepower and range to destroy a number of enemies from particular positions, and move to alternate positions before counterfire starts heading in its particular direction.

To make a vehicle like this viable for 'up-front' combat, so to speak, you'll need heavier forward protection at the very least, and probably some sort of full firing compartment protection to protect it from HE and artillery fragments. You'll also need to move the engine somewhat, because the turret ring will have to be fitted into the hull (as opposed to an open topped tank destroyer like this, which simply builds the gun into a position on top of the engine); that, on top of the weight of the wider body and the turret traverse mechanism, and I'm not sure what you're proposing is going to work as smoothly as you think it will...

So widening the hull enough for a turret ring would make it possible to traverse 360 degrees? That would be nice.
I plan on giving it more armour, mainly on the mantle and mantlet, just to give it a chance should it come under fire.

I could have it enclosed. Being open-topped isn't really a must. What exactly will I have to do with the engine?

Working smoothly isn't really a priority for me. I'll think of an idea, and draw it. If I think it looks good and is in the realm of realism, then there isn't a whole lot that will make me change it for even more realism.

[Mitheldalond]

25mm gatling with 7.62mm gatling coax?

Seems understandable to me. 7.62 for missiles and helicopters, 25mm for everything else.

Apache is armored against 23mm armor piercing and explosive rounds. All a 7.62 will do is make a very dangerous helicopter irritated with you.

[Fordorsia]

Seems understandable to me. 7.62 for missiles and helicopters, 25mm for everything else.

Apache is armored against 23mm armor piercing and explosive rounds. All a 7.62 will do is make a very dangerous helicopter irritated with you.

I watched a video where an Apache pilot was shot by an AK through the cockpt. You could have all the armour in the world, just not over the vital parts like the cockpit glass, rotor and tail.
A 7.62 minigun would tear an Apache apart.

[Anemos Major]

So widening the hull enough for a turret ring would make it possible to traverse 360 degrees? That would be nice.
I plan on giving it more armour, mainly on the mantle and mantlet, just to give it a chance should it come under fire.

I could have it enclosed. Being open-topped isn't really a must. What exactly will I have to do with the engine?

Working smoothly isn't really a priority for me. I'll think of an idea, and draw it. If I think it looks good and is in the realm of realism, then there isn't a whole lot that will make me change it for even more realism.

Well, I mean, if you want it to turn around a fixed point, you'll need a ring of some sort so that whatever you want to have turning will be able to turn around that point, right? And if you have a large gun, it's presumable that the breech will be fairly large, that's not too unreasonable. So if you want your turret to rotate in a fashion that leaves enough room for the breech, its recoil travel and the gunner/loader ensemble, you'll need a ring radius that goes from the front of your turret ring to some point fairly far back within (between the front and the middle) the turret itself - which means, naturally, given that your turret will be rotating around a circle, that that radius will have to apply around the whole circle. And more armour is probably necessary, given what you're trying to do, but more armour equals more weight, which means more stress on the drivetrain. It sounds like a fiddly 'realism' point, until you realise that the drivetrain was the more important of two factors that crippled vehicles like the Jagdtiger (the other being the gun mounting). That, and at this rate, what you're looking for will inevitably start sounding less and less like the Emil and more and more like the Maus, because that's essentially what it is - a large gun in a traversible turret capable of withstanding return fire adequately.

As for the engine, a turret ring and its associated mechanism would most likely have to stretch down into the vehicle's hull (the turret 'basket'). Except that in the Sturer Emil's case, that'd dig into the engine deck upon which the gun assembly is built.

[Premislyd]

(Apologies ahead for the smallness scale)



Name: TA 97 (Transportue da'Aeroporta, 1997 lit. airborne carrier of 1994)
Type: Infantry fighting vehicle
Place of origin: Democratic Irkutia
In service: 1995-Present
Designer: Kassansaj Design Bureau
Manufacturer: NORICO Factory No. 096; NORICO Factory No. 049
Produced: 1994 - Present
Weight: 13.08 tonnes
Length: 6.3 m
Width: 2.8 m
Height: 2.26 m
Crew: 2 (commander, driver) + 4 passengers (+ 1 empty seat)
Protection: Titanium-Aluminium alloy
Main armament: 5.7 cm TK87A autocannon
Secondary armament: 7.92mm GPMG (2500 rounds); turret mounted 9M111 launcher (3 missiles)
Engine: NK-015 V-12 water-cooled diesel; 500 hp
Transmission: Automatic , 5 forward, 1 reverse gears
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Ground clearance: 42 cm
Fuel capacity: 800 L
Speed: 70 km/h (road); 55 km/h (cross country)

[Oaledonia]

(Apologies ahead for the smallness scale)

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Name: TA 97 (Transportue da'Aeroporta, 1997 lit. airborne carrier of 1994)
Type: Infantry fighting vehicle
Place of origin: Democratic Irkutia
In service: 1995-Present
Designer: Kassansaj Design Bureau
Manufacturer: NORICO Factory No. 096; NORICO Factory No. 049
Produced: 1994 - Present
Weight: 13.08 tonnes
Length: 6.3 m
Width: 2.8 m
Height: 2.26 m
Crew: 2 (commander, driver) + 4 passengers (+ 1 empty seat)
Protection: Titanium-Aluminium alloy
Main armament: 5.7 cm TK87A autocannon
Secondary armament: 7.92mm GPMG (2500 rounds); turret mounted 9M111 launcher (3 missiles)
Engine: NK-015 V-12 water-cooled diesel; 500 hp
Transmission: Automatic , 5 forward, 1 reverse gears
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Ground clearance: 42 cm
Fuel capacity: 800 L
Speed: 70 km/h (road); 55 km/h (cross country)

YOU RUINED A PERFECTLY GOOD SHERIDAN!

[Fordorsia]

So widening the hull enough for a turret ring would make it possible to traverse 360 degrees? That would be nice.
I plan on giving it more armour, mainly on the mantle and mantlet, just to give it a chance should it come under fire.

I could have it enclosed. Being open-topped isn't really a must. What exactly will I have to do with the engine?

Working smoothly isn't really a priority for me. I'll think of an idea, and draw it. If I think it looks good and is in the realm of realism, then there isn't a whole lot that will make me change it for even more realism.

Well, I mean, if you want it to turn around a fixed point, you'll need a ring of some sort so that whatever you want to have turning will be able to turn around that point, right? And if you have a large gun, it's presumable that the breech will be fairly large, that's not too unreasonable. So if you want your turret to rotate in a fashion that leaves enough room for the breech, its recoil travel and the gunner/loader ensemble, you'll need a ring radius that goes from the front of your turret ring to some point fairly far back within (between the front and the middle) the turret itself - which means, naturally, given that your turret will be rotating around a circle, that that radius will have to apply around the whole circle. And more armour is probably necessary, given what you're trying to do, but more armour equals more weight, which means more stress on the drivetrain. It sounds like a fiddly 'realism' point, until you realise that the drivetrain was the more important of two factors that crippled vehicles like the Jagdtiger (the other being the gun mounting). That, and at this rate, what you're looking for will inevitably start sounding less and less like the Emil and more and more like the Maus, because that's essentially what it is - a large gun in a traversible turret capable of withstanding return fire adequately.

As for the engine, a turret ring and its associated mechanism would most likely have to stretch down into the vehicle's hull (the turret 'basket'). Except that in the Sturer Emil's case, that'd dig into the engine deck upon which the gun assembly is built.

I have given it a turret ring, it's just not really visible when I size it down to fit NS.

It extends just past the commander's cupola. Would that be a decent size?
I won't be giving it too much armour. Just enough to give it a chance against heavy machine gun fire and smaller-caliber tank guns.

So what would you suggest I do for the engine? Would I have to extend the hull forwards to move it away from the basket?

[NeoTarakia]

Ze stat bloc.

M4A3E10 Super Sherman

Type:
Medium Tank

Average Unit Cost:
46,150 Tarakian Dollars(1949)

Designer:
Xeres Locomotive

Designed:
1945-1948

Manufacture:
Xeres Locomotive
Diamond Locomotive Engineering
Federal Steel Works
Decatur Marine Works
Decatur Car and Foundry
Tracy Island Tank Arsenal

Assembly Plant:
Various

Country of Origin:
Democratic Republic of Tarakia

Variants:
M4A3E10
M4A3E10-105

Procurement:
6,317

Export Customers:
1,039

Service History
In Service:
1949-1962

Used By:
Tarakian Army
Tarakian Marine Corps

Specifications
Crew:
4(Driver, Loader, Gunner, Commander)

Mass:
35.3 Tons

Fuel Capacity:
175 U.S. Gal

Overall Length:
19 Feet, 2 Inches

Overall Width:
8 Feet, 7 Inches

Overall Height:
9 Feet 1.5 Inches

Ground Clearance:
17 Inches

Engine:
Allison Military Engines G988 V-10 Diesel Engine
Allison Military Engines G989 V-10 Supercharged Diesel Engine(1956)

Transmission:
Allison MD-850-1 Crossdrive(5 Forward, 1 Reverse)

Brake System:
Mechanical, external contracting

Suspension:
Vertical Volute Suspension System(VVSS)

Track Type:
T54E1 Outside Guid, Double Pin, Chevron Steel Tread, Composite welded links

Road Wheel Type:
3 bogies/track
2 wheels/bogie
13-tooth front drive
Adjustable rear idler

Speed
30-40 mph

Fording Depth/Speed:
36 Inches

Operational Range:
135 Miles

Operating Temperature Range:
19.4°f to 104°f(-7°c to 40°c)

Armor and Active Defense
Armor:
Hull: Rolled and Cast Homogeneous Steel
Turret: Cast Homogeneous Steel w/Spall Liner

Fire Control And Other Systems
Sensors:
Gunners Night Sight
Observation Light(Mounted above main gun, similar to the M48 Patton, removed in 1951)

Communications:
SCR-506
AN/VRC-6(1957)

Equipment :
Axe
Shovel
Mine Roller
Dozer Blade

Other Systems:
Gyro-stabilized turret and maingun(1957)
Mechanical Turret Rotation( Not sure if this is the correct term?

Armament
Primary Armament:
Xeres Locomotive M3E1 L/58 90mm High Velocity Rifled Maingun
Decatur Marine Works M5E2 L/53 105mm Rifled Maingun(1957)

Secondary Armament:
M2HB 12.7mm Heavy Machine Gun(Commander)
M1919A4 7.62x63mm Medium Machine Gun(Loader)
M1919A4 7.62x63mm Coaxial Machine Gun

I feel this is frowned upon. But I also feel this is the ideal Tarakian Tank of my post-war era leading into the early Cold War.

I wouldn't even say this stat bloc is complete, as I still have not listed armor values and am looking into the armor values on the T26 turret. I am also unsure of the weight of both the T26 turret and the M3 90mm HV Gun. So weight could go down once I find the information I'm looking for.

Infrared Devices : How early could I begin to field Infrared devices? As the E10 goes out of service in 1965, I'm thinking maybe late 50's or early 60's?

Engine : As for the engines. I'm going with a V-10 for early models and then a Supercharged V-10 for late 50's models, currently I do not have any Hp values. Is this a bad or?

Re-armament : Yeah... this is the FUBAR part.. The current T26 turret is probably unable to accept the larger T5 105mm gun without a major modification. There is the T119 Turret which could mount the T5, the turret does look lengthened but I am very unsure of this. So... this will probably never go ahead.

Combustible Cartridge Case : Y/N? probably going to catch heat on this one.. how early could I field CCC's? or is this just completely insane for the 50's and early 60's?

[Anemos Major]

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It extends just past the commander's cupola. Would that be a decent size?
I won't be giving it too much armour. Just enough to give it a chance against heavy machine gun fire and smaller-caliber tank guns.

So what would you suggest I do for the engine? Would I have to extend the hull forwards to move it away from the basket?

I don't know how big your gun is, so...

That said, given the current placement of the turret ring, it looks as though you're sacrificing quite a lot of forward protection to have it there while having to displace the engine anyway - you can probably afford to move it back somewhat. As far as the engine's concerned, eh...

Front of hull, or move your 'turret' superstructure forwards with the turret ring as it is. One of the two, I'd guess.

[Anemos Major]

(Apologies ahead for the smallness scale)

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The forward hull looks a bit odd. That, and you'll want to be careful with the gun-launcher variant you put on the CYOE thread - the Sheridan, at fifteen odd tons, had serious trouble with its 152mm gun launcher. If your TD is 14t with ERA, I'm not sure it's build to take the recoil of the weapon mounted on it.