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moderation or the lack of in TET;does't need immediate resp.

Who needs it, who got it, who hands it out and why.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:03 pm

Qazox wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
We shouldn't have to fucking leave. And its definitely not 99%.

Its a solid majority that don't care and just wanna have fun here. We do a decent enough job policing ourselves with out a mod-wannbe being an ass to everyone by being a fucking loser killjoy.


Emphasis mine. Last I checked, those were all personal attacks.
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moderation or the lack of in TET;does't need immediate resp.

Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:10 pm

moderation has asked users to self police tet for things like spam and RP's and the sort. I think this a monumentally bad idea. when users self police the results are useless, lets look at a few of the following posts


viewtopic.php?p=18532545#p18532545

viewtopic.php?p=18532607#p18532607

viewtopic.php?p=18533437#p18533437

viewtopic.php?p=18534951&sid=08243e29bd05abe851228689732a2b59#p18534951


if you trawl through pages 157 - 175 in tet you will find countless examples of folks jumping on gren because he is doing what moderation asked. (and quite honestly you could trawl the past few TET's and find countless examples of this.

I like a no RP and no spam TET it is designed as a OOC chat thread, RP is fine but I agree it belongs in RP threads. My point is the whole exercise make Gren and others (myself included) look like jerks for just asking for a semi-human conversation.

no posts were posted to get a punishment from moderation, my point is moderation has to take a more active role in enforcing the no spam rules, and not leave it to the players, an occasional trawl and appropriate knock if offs issued, if the knock it off is ignored upgrade it, but from a moderator and not from Gren it would not be ignored.

for better or worse moderation in this site is an effort akin to herding teenagers. 40% of the response to please dont spam tet is "your not the boss of me". Help.

thank you for your time


edit 175 is a good page ot look at for the issue.
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Postby Bralia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:21 pm

Oh good, this is already here. Thanks, Ethel. There's much more to this than Ethel's implying. Gren and I have been having a fair and civil debate for a long time now and I simply don't think it's going to be resolved by each other's words. So don't jump to conclusions, please, I'm going to come back to this post with a record of our debate.

I think this is where the base of our debate truly launched off: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=280396&p=18533944#p18533944
Gren makes a legitimate post requesting a repeat offender to refine her posting ways: viewtopic.php?p=18534064#p18534064
Gren makes a claim that's up for debate: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=280396&p=18534163#p18534163
The beginning of my case: viewtopic.php?p=18534657#p18534657
A claim of adaptation was made: viewtopic.php?p=18534679#p18534679
A key point and fear of Grenartia's: viewtopic.php?p=18534692#p18534692
I'm a self-admitted pseudo-RPer: viewtopic.php?p=18534764#p18534764
Keystone of Gren's argument: viewtopic.php?p=18534770#p18534770
Gren makes a subjective statement: viewtopic.php?p=18534880#p18534880
People point this out to Gren, including myself and I make a hopeful claim about moderator action in TET: viewtopic.php?p=18534880#p18534880, viewtopic.php?p=18534992#p18534992, viewtopic.php?p=18535033#p18535033
Gren's rebuttal of my post: viewtopic.php?p=18535059#p18535059
Qazox makes a claim: viewtopic.php?p=18535102#p18535102
I combat Grenartia's rebuttal: viewtopic.php?p=18535145#p18535145
Gren's reply to Qazox and Qazox's exaggerated and semi-serious reply: viewtopic.php?p=18535226#p18535226
I respond to Gren's reply to Qazox: viewtopic.php?p=18535239#p18535239
Grenartia supports his claims: viewtopic.php?p=18535250#p18535250
New Haven America and Gidgetisms join in: viewtopic.php?p=18535253#p18535253, viewtopic.php?p=18535264#p18535264
Gren's call for moderation to enforce TET more efficiently: viewtopic.php?p=18535328#p18535328
Another subjective claim: viewtopic.php?p=18535345#p18535345
My query for both sides to back up their stats: viewtopic.php?p=18535357#p18535357. Nobody ever did.
Grenartia stands his ground: viewtopic.php?p=18535393#p18535393
A post occurred that you can see here.
A post that I missed, given the speed of the thread at the time: viewtopic.php?p=18535435#p18535435
Maldorainia joins in and makes a post in line with mine: viewtopic.php?p=18535475#p18535475, viewtopic.php?p=18535478#p18535478
NHA and Gren: viewtopic.php?p=18535479#p18535479
Gidgetisms makes a claim and a suggestion: viewtopic.php?p=18535502#p18535502
My call for leniency: viewtopic.php?p=18535551#p18535551
Gren makes a claim: viewtopic.php?p=18535585#p18535585
Rebuttals: viewtopic.php?p=18535606#p18535606, viewtopic.php?p=18535616#p18535616, viewtopic.php?p=18535636#p18535636
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Another snub from Qazox: viewtopic.php?p=18535641#p18535641
The point where I disengage and come here to let the mods decide: viewtopic.php?p=18535643#p18535643
A coalition forms: viewtopic.php?p=18535649#p18535649, viewtopic.php?p=18535652#p18535652, viewtopic.php?p=18535692#p18535692
Gren defends his will to keep the thread enjoyable: viewtopic.php?p=18535680#p18535680
I'm getting tired of labeling these posts. Gren again, after I disengaged: viewtopic.php?p=18535712#p18535712
Soldati takes up my cause: viewtopic.php?p=18535739#p18535739
Serbia supports me. I think. These are new posts to me: viewtopic.php?p=18535760#p18535760

You know what, I think this is enough to see. If anybody feels that I've left out anything important, I urge you all to put it up here so the mods have the most context available to them.
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Postby Bralia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:27 pm

I finally finished my edit, Nathi. I request somebody with the time to make a formal decision in which way we should swing so we never need to discuss this again.

Damn it, now I'm editing THIS post repeatedly! I hope the necessary people see this: The conflict here is not the right to self-police, but to how far it should go between leniency and authoritarianism.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:44 pm

Bralia wrote:I finally finished my edit, Nathi. I request somebody with the time to make a formal decision in which way we should swing so we never need to discuss this again.

Damn it, now I'm editing THIS post repeatedly! I hope the necessary people see this: The conflict here is not the right to self-police, but to how far it should go between leniency and authoritarianism.


And a rough guideline on when we should report something when self-policing attempts fail would be appreciated.

EDIT: accidentally a few words.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:19 am

It's really quite simple, folks.

1: Ask or remind politely if spamming or inappropriate posting takes place.
2: If it isn't egregious, let it go.
3: If it is, and the polite request/reminder goes ignored, report it here.
4: Do not hijack the entire thread by getting into a prolonged argument over it.
5: Remember that the rules of the thread are really no different from the rest of the forums, save TET is intended as a chat thread, and thus, the ideas of 'spamming' and such are somewhat relaxed. Don't be overly-uptight when attempting to help keep things clean.
6: No one is to consider themselves the security officers of TET - while we encourage and appreciate player participation in leading by example, and gently reminding others to keep things on track, the Moderators are the 'arbiters of thread justice' and players have no authority, perceived or otherwise outside their OP rights in the RP forums.
7: Be excellent to one another. A reminder of the need for better behavior ought to be delivered with this in mind, and with the end goal of keeping the thread clean, and fun for all. Not to impose opinions or preferences on your fellow posters. Remind as you would like to be reminded, keep it civil.


I think that ought to pretty much cover it, no?

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Postby Qazox » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:41 am

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:It's really quite simple, folks.

1: Ask or remind politely if spamming or inappropriate posting takes place.
2: If it isn't egregious, let it go.
3: If it is, and the polite request/reminder goes ignored, report it here.
4: Do not hijack the entire thread by getting into a prolonged argument over it.
5: Remember that the rules of the thread are really no different from the rest of the forums, save TET is intended as a chat thread, and thus, the ideas of 'spamming' and such are somewhat relaxed. Don't be overly-uptight when attempting to help keep things clean.
6: No one is to consider themselves the security officers of TET - while we encourage and appreciate player participation in leading by example, and gently reminding others to keep things on track, the Moderators are the 'arbiters of thread justice' and players have no authority, perceived or otherwise outside their OP rights in the RP forums.
7: Be excellent to one another. A reminder of the need for better behavior ought to be delivered with this in mind, and with the end goal of keeping the thread clean, and fun for all. Not to impose opinions or preferences on your fellow posters. Remind as you would like to be reminded, keep it civil.


I think that ought to pretty much cover it, no?


Yes. Is there a way that the Mods would be able to add this to the TET OP, as to alleviate threadjacks, of which I was mostly at fault for starting; like yesterday from happening in the future.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:00 am

Qazox wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:It's really quite simple, folks.

1: Ask or remind politely if spamming or inappropriate posting takes place.
2: If it isn't egregious, let it go.
3: If it is, and the polite request/reminder goes ignored, report it here.
4: Do not hijack the entire thread by getting into a prolonged argument over it.
5: Remember that the rules of the thread are really no different from the rest of the forums, save TET is intended as a chat thread, and thus, the ideas of 'spamming' and such are somewhat relaxed. Don't be overly-uptight when attempting to help keep things clean.
6: No one is to consider themselves the security officers of TET - while we encourage and appreciate player participation in leading by example, and gently reminding others to keep things on track, the Moderators are the 'arbiters of thread justice' and players have no authority, perceived or otherwise outside their OP rights in the RP forums.
7: Be excellent to one another. A reminder of the need for better behavior ought to be delivered with this in mind, and with the end goal of keeping the thread clean, and fun for all. Not to impose opinions or preferences on your fellow posters. Remind as you would like to be reminded, keep it civil.


I think that ought to pretty much cover it, no?


Yes. Is there a way that the Mods would be able to add this to the TET OP, as to alleviate threadjacks, of which I was mostly at fault for starting; like yesterday from happening in the future.

No. You used a semicolon where you needed a comma. Go back to Square One and start over.

I'll add it. Or not, since it's already there.
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