Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Roski]

And could the M1 Abrams realistically stand up to a T-80U?

I hope you're joking
Because the M1 would rape all T-80 models

The original Abrams? Eh... maybe

But the A1 is so far ahead of everybody. T-80 is a soviet design, really, the Merkava could even handle the T-80, actually quite easily.

[Questers]

super E is a piece of shit. it's the worst NATO atgm carrier, probably. it was ok before the atgm carrier buff though.

Meh, its cheap and disposable.

Are you a more armored guy, or infantry?

Also, Merkaaaavaaaa

Personally, I don't really view it as exceptional. The early models weren't the best, and the Mark 4 is...eh, I don't know, but it feels like its tring to be a notAbrams.

If you want to play competitively none of the special decks are really worth it.

The Super E has an accuracy of 8 IIRC which is a 40% hit rate. Each accuracy point resembles 5% CTH. 40% is just too low to rely on.

[Questers]

But the A1 is so far ahead of everybody.

LoL

[Imperializt Russia]

I tried drawing a tank. Tracks courtesy of RisenBritannia. Thoughts?

Its pretty good. I can't draw.

Your guns seem a little small (AA mount and main gun) and it would probably serve you to know that RB draws in a scale of 1cm : 1 pixel


DID SOMEONE MENTION SENTINEL TANKS?

Yeah, the suspension is RB's Sentinel wheel pairs.
Only there are four instead of three.

[Roski]

But the A1 is so far ahead of everybody.

LoL

Well, the Leopard is right behind it, I forgot about the leopard

[Riysa]

Meh, its cheap and disposable.

Are you a more armored guy, or infantry?

Also, Merkaaaavaaaa

Personally, I don't really view it as exceptional. The early models weren't the best, and the Mark 4 is...eh, I don't know, but it feels like its tring to be a notAbrams.

If you want to play competitively none of the special decks are really worth it.

The Super E has an accuracy of 8 IIRC which is a 40% hit rate. Each accuracy point resembles 5% CTH. 40% is just too low to rely on.

True, true. You'd recomend making a personalized deck then?

[Dostanuot Loj]

This poses more questions than it solves. What exactly is a hyperbar box?

It is not actually where the turbine is, it is the high pressure chamber which leads to the inlet manifold off the turbocharger. There's really nothing in there except sensors, etc.

The turbocharger is integrated into the turbine, sort of like high-bypass. So the turbo-compressor on the image is actually the turbine and turbocharger. Intake air comes in from the box along the side that the 9kw generator tucks into a hole in, and exhaust is dumped out in short order.

Here is a really good picture showing the setup.

http://www.maquetland.com/upload/phototeque/images/155/leclerc%20%20,moteur%20chariot%20%20.jpg

You can see (from left to right), the primary intake, turbine compressor, the combined bypass/combustion/turbine*, and the exhaust. The bypass leads up (centre) into the high pressure chamber, which connects to the inlet manifolds of each cylinder bank.

Fun to note, the 9kw generator runs off the turbine, hence its weird placement within the inlet box.

* The bypass wraps around the turbine, for some reason I have yet to figure out.

[Registug]

Its pretty good. I can't draw.

Your guns seem a little small (AA mount and main gun) and it would probably serve you to know that RB draws in a scale of 1cm : 1 pixel


DID SOMEONE MENTION SENTINEL TANKS?

Yeah, the suspension is RB's Sentinel wheel pairs.
Only there are four instead of three.

It's the extended suspension from his proto-MBT that he made by cannibalising all his WWII tanks together, and happened to use the HVSS he drew for the Sentinel

[Riysa]

I hope you're joking
Because the M1 would rape all T-80 models

The original Abrams? Eh... maybe

But the A1 is so far ahead of everybody. T-80 is a soviet design, really, the Merkava could even handle the T-80, actually quite easily.

I feel like this post is implying the reason why the Abrams would win is because the T-80U is Soviet/Russian.

[Premislyd]

[Picture]

Name: Caruje d'Arma Modello 24 (Armored Chariot, model 24)
Type: Main Battle Tank
Place of origin: Irkut People's Republic
In service: 2009 – Present
Designer: Kassansaj Design Bureau
Manufacturer: TVZ, AT, and Vyrovo Machine Works
Produced: 2008 - Present
Weight: 58.61 tonnes
Length: 7.3 m
Width: 3.8 m
Height: 2.79 m
Crew: 3 (commander, driver, gunner)
Protection: Composite steel-ceramic-rubber, NERA side tiles, ERA front
Main armament: 152mm L/46 smoothbore
Secondary armament: 7.7mm GPMG (RWS); 15.2mm HMG (coaxial)
Engine: Papagyn KV-19 diesel 1,450 hp
Transmission: Automatic , 5 forward, 1 reverse gears
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Ground clearance: 37.5 cm
Fuel capacity: 900 L
Speed: 75 km/h (road); 60 km/h (cross country)

These are used alongside Questarian SA-19s.

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In Terra Firma, the People's Union of Uscanya utilizes the T-64U and PT-91 Twardy as its main battle tanks.

[Roski]

The original Abrams? Eh... maybe

But the A1 is so far ahead of everybody. T-80 is a soviet design, really, the Merkava could even handle the T-80, actually quite easily.

I feel like this post is implying the reason why the Abrams would win is because the T-80U is Soviet/Russian.

Nope. Because the T-90 is actually a pretty good tank.

But so far, the Merkava can handle a lot of Soviet/Russian and Chinese tanks. If not all of them.

If the Abrams is better, and it should be, then it will be superior to the T-80

[Registug]

The T-55 was developed from the T-34. Kind of. Sort of. At a great distance and with a lot of vodka obscuring the view.
What would happen if I applied the same process to the Comet?

Centurion happens is what happens.

They might not have taken a comet chassis and turned it into the Centurion, but they did take all the design ideas from the comet and the churchill and maybe even a bit from other tanks and that's how they accomplished the universal tank.

[The New Lowlands]

I tried drawing a tank. Tracks courtesy of RisenBritannia. Thoughts?

Its pretty good. I can't draw.

Your guns seem a little small (AA mount and main gun) and it would probably serve you to know that RB draws in a scale of 1cm : 1 pixel


DID SOMEONE MENTION SENTINEL TANKS?

Yeah; the gun's sixteen pixels high to represent a 120mm gun, if that makes sense.

Although maybe I should bump it up to 140mm. The picture's just for looks, anyhow.

[Questers]

the reason the Russians gave the T-80 series up was not because the T-80U was worse than the T-90 (they preferred it apparently, even with the engine) but because the T-80 production lines were all based in a foreign country.

[Imperializt Russia]

I feel like this post is implying the reason why the Abrams would win is because the T-80U is Soviet/Russian.

Nope. Because the T-90 is actually a pretty good tank. 1

But so far, the Merkava can handle a lot of Soviet/Russian and Chinese tanks. If not all of them. 2

If the Abrams is better, and it should be, then it will be superior to the T-80 3

1) based on what
2) based on what
3) based on what

[Purpelia]

The T-55 was developed from the T-34. Kind of. Sort of. At a great distance and with a lot of vodka obscuring the view.
What would happen if I applied the same process to the Comet?

Centurion happens is what happens.

They might not have taken a comet chassis and turned it into the Centurion, but they did take all the design ideas from the comet and the churchill and maybe even a bit from other tanks and that's how they accomplished the universal tank.

That's what I thought.

What if instead of the Comet I was to take the Panzer IV?

[Mizrad]

I hope you're joking
Because the M1 would rape all T-80 models

The original Abrams? Eh... maybe

But the A1 is so far ahead of everybody. T-80 is a soviet design, really, the Merkava could even handle the T-80, actually quite easily.

I was going for the original model, as I'm in another thread that's died but I wanted closure because no matter what I say to a certain somebody, the T-80U is still apparently god of all tanks.

On another note, the A1/A2 would have an issue against the Challenger 2, the Leopard 2A5 through 7, the Leclerc and most other first world nation MBT's. Then again, all of those nations are allied and most of the tanks are based off of each other or share parts so that doesn't come as a surprise to me. However I do have another question, is the T-90 really all it's cracked up to be? Because from what I and multiple others have seen is that it's really just another T-72 almost. Your thoughts everyone?

[Registug]

I feel like this post is implying the reason why the Abrams would win is because the T-80U is Soviet/Russian.

Nope. Because the T-90 is actually a pretty good tank.

But so far, the Merkava can handle a lot of Soviet/Russian and Chinese tanks. If not all of them.

If the Abrams is better, and it should be, then it will be superior to the T-80

Note here.

The merkava is nothing like other tanks. It was designed by Israelis for use in Israel for use by Israel. It should not be directly compared to other MBTs, chiefly the ones designed in the cold war for use in cold war situations, such as the Abrams and the Leo and the T-80 and just about every MBT out there.

[Questers]

What is T-90? Don't you mean T-72BU If so, yes, modern versions are successful design.

[Istevia]

I feel like this post is implying the reason why the Abrams would win is because the T-80U is Soviet/Russian.

Nope. Because the T-90 is actually a pretty good tank.

But so far, the Merkava can handle a lot of Soviet/Russian and Chinese tanks. If not all of them.

If the Abrams is better, and it should be, then it will be superior to the T-80

Well, I guess It's time to show off the most overhyped and actually rather average best tanks in the universe

[Riysa]

I feel like this post is implying the reason why the Abrams would win is because the T-80U is Soviet/Russian.

Nope. Because the T-90 is actually a pretty good tank.

But so far, the Merkava can handle a lot of Soviet/Russian and Chinese tanks. If not all of them.

If the Abrams is better, and it should be, then it will be superior to the T-80

Eeeeeeh....the Merk's record is sketchy at best. Either it got schooled along with M60s back in 82 by Syrian T-72s, or it has only faced older tanks such as the T-55 and T-62. I wouldn't say that it could handle a lot of Western tanks.

At best, the Merk is comparable to the Abrams. Which is of uncertain quality considering its mainly faced stuff that was several decades old.

The original Abrams? Eh... maybe

But the A1 is so far ahead of everybody. T-80 is a soviet design, really, the Merkava could even handle the T-80, actually quite easily.

I was going for the original model, as I'm in another thread that's died but I wanted closure because no matter what I say to a certain somebody, the T-80U is still apparently god of all tanks.

On another note, the A1/A2 would have an issue against the Challenger 2, the Leopard 2A5 through 7, the Leclerc and most other first world nation MBT's. Then again, all of those nations are allied and most of the tanks are based off of each other or share parts so that doesn't come as a surprise to me. However I do have another question, is the T-90 really all it's cracked up to be? Because from what I and multiple others have seen is that it's really just another T-72 almost. Your thoughts everyone?

There's nothing wrong with the T-72 design, except for the atrocious downgraded copy of monkey-model Ural versions made by Iraq. The T-90 is good enough for the Russians right now, and it could definitely go toe-to-toe when you take doctrine into account.

[The Republic of Lanos]

(Image)

Haha that tank has ADD. Can't focus on what it's trying to kill then.

[Dostanuot Loj]

the reason the Russians gave the T-80 series up was not because the T-80U was worse than the T-90 (they preferred it apparently, even with the engine) but because the T-80 production lines were all based in a foreign country.

A foreign country that was/is actively trying to distance itself from Russia, and who has a population which remembers the Holodomor and places a strong blame of it on Russia.

Russia/Ukraine relations are pretty messed up.

There is a factory in Russia which was also producing T-80s after the dissolution of the USSR, but it apparently had issues with production rates and political favour.

[Roski]

Nope. Because the T-90 is actually a pretty good tank. 1

But so far, the Merkava can handle a lot of Soviet/Russian and Chinese tanks. If not all of them. 2

If the Abrams is better, and it should be, then it will be superior to the T-80 3

1) based on what
2) based on what
3) based on what

1:

Steel-composite-reactive blend
vs APFSDS: 550mm, with Kontakt-5 = 800-830mm; vs HEAT: 650mm with Kontakt-5 = 1,150–1,350mm[2]
Main
armament
125 mm smoothbore gun with ATGM capability; mainly 9M119 Svir
Secondary
armament
12.7mm Kord Heavy machine gun, 7.62mm PKMT
Engine
Model 84 V-84 12-cyl. diesel
V-92 12-cyl. diesel
V-96 12-cyl. diesel
840 hp (618 kW) for V-84 12-cyl. diesel engine
950 hp (736 kW) for V-92 12-cyl. diesel engine
1,250 hp (930 kW) for V-96 12-cyl. diesel engine
Power/weight
18.1 hp/tonne (13.5 kW/tonne) for V-84 12-cyl. diesel engine
20.4 hp/tonne (15.8 kW/tonne) for V-92 12-cyl. diesel engine
26.3 hp/tonne (19.8 kW/tonne) for V-96 12-cyl. diesel engine
Suspension torsion bar
Operational
range
550–700 km (340–430 mi) (depending on type of engine)
Speed 60–65 km/h (37–40 mph) (depending on type of engine)

2

Armor Classified composite/sloped armour modular design.
Main
armament
120 mm (4.7 in) MG253 smoothbore gun, capable of firing LAHAT ATGM
Secondary
armament
1 × 12.7 mm (0.50 in) MG
2 × 7.62 mm (0.300 in) MG
1 × 60 mm (2.4 in) internal mortar
12 smoke grenades
Engine 1,500 hp (1,119 kW) turbocharged diesel engine
Power/weight 23 hp/tonne
Payload capacity 48 rounds
Transmission Renk RK 325
Suspension Helical spring
Ground clearance 0.45 m (1.5 ft)
Fuel capacity 1,400 litres
Operational
range
500 km (310 mi)
Speed 64 km/h (40 mph) on road
55 km/h (34 mph) off road

3

Weight 67.6 short tons (60.4 long tons; 61.3 t)
Length Gun forward: 32.04 ft (9.77 m)[5]
Hull length: 26.02 ft (7.93 m)
Width 12 ft (3.66 m)[5]
Height 8 ft (2.44 m)[5]
Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Armor
Chobham, RH armor, depleted uranium strike plates, Kevlar mesh[citation needed]
M1: Hull & turret – 350 mm vs APFSDS, 700 mm vs HEAT[6][nb 1]
M1A1: Hull & turret – 600 mm vs APFSDS, 700 mm vs HEAT[7]
M1A1HA: Hull – 600 mm vs APFSDS, 700 mm vs HEAT, Turret – 800 mm vs APFSDS, 1,300 mm vs HEAT[7][8][nb 2]
M1A2: Hull (turret) – 600 (780 mm) mm vs APFSDS, 800 mm (1,060 mm) vs HEAT[6][not in citation given]
Main
armament
105 mm L52 M68 rifled cannon (M1)
120 mm L44 M256 smoothbore cannon (M1A1, M1A2, M1A2SEP) with 42 rounds
Secondary
armament
1 × .50-caliber (12.7 mm) M2HB heavy machine gun with 900 rounds
2 × 7.62 mm (.308 in) M240 machine guns with 8,800 rounds (1 pintle-mounted, 1 coaxial)
Engine Honeywell AGT1500C multi-fuel turbine engine
1,500 shp (1,120 kW)
Power/weight 24.5 hp/t (18.27 kW/t)
Transmission Allison DDA X-1100-3B
Suspension Torsion bar
Ground clearance 0.48 m (1 ft 7 in) (M1, M1A1)
0.43 m (1 ft 5 in) (M1A2)
Fuel capacity 500 US gallons (1,900 l; 420 imp gal)
Operational
range
M1A2: 426 km (265 mi)[9]
Speed M1A2: Road 42 mph (67 km/h) (governed)
Off-road: 25 mph (40 km/h)[9]

And the T-72BU was renamed to the T-90

[Registug]

Centurion happens is what happens.

They might not have taken a comet chassis and turned it into the Centurion, but they did take all the design ideas from the comet and the churchill and maybe even a bit from other tanks and that's how they accomplished the universal tank.

That's what I thought.

What if instead of the Comet I was to take the Panzer IV?

No one will know.

To be honest though, the Pz IV is a developmental dead end. You can't improve it any more than it is. I'm fairly sure the Germans would've ended up with something similar to the other European proto-MBTs of the era, like the Panzer 68. Maybe would've ended up with the Leopard in some roundabout way after many, many years of fucking around in the wrong directions.

Nazi tank design is just too different from what we know today for us to predict what it would turn into. I'm not sure they would've even come up with a universal tank concept at all.