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Postby Equusia » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:34 pm

Apparently one third of Americans don't understand evolution... I used to be Christian... until I learned what evolution actually was.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:36 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:1) Depends on which sect of Christianity one belongs to.
2) Completely irrelevant. Religious myth does not take priority over scientific fact.
3)There is tons of evidence for evolution, and much of modern medicine is based on it? Do you use modern medicine? Thank our knowledge of evolution.


Evolution has nothing to do with medicine,

Wrong. Evolution is critical to modern medicine, especially to vaccination.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... edicine_01
Medicine has more to do with Chemistry,

It also relies on evolution - a lot.
and not all Biologists believe in evolution.

1) Almost all of them do. http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/ ... lic-media/
2) For those very few who don't, they are still wrong.
BTW, religion should take priority over scientific lies.

"Scientific lies"? The scientific method does not lie.
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Postby Lost heros » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:37 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:1) Depends on which sect of Christianity one belongs to.
2) Completely irrelevant. Religious myth does not take priority over scientific fact.
3)There is tons of evidence for evolution, and much of modern medicine is based on it? Do you use modern medicine? Thank our knowledge of evolution.


Evolution has nothing to do with medicine, Medicine has more to do with Chemistry, and not all Biologists believe in evolution. BTW, religion should take priority over scientific lies.

Source. Source. Source. And no one is lying about evolution.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:37 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:1) Depends on which sect of Christianity one belongs to.
2) Completely irrelevant. Religious myth does not take priority over scientific fact.
3)There is tons of evidence for evolution, and much of modern medicine is based on it? Do you use modern medicine? Thank our knowledge of evolution.


1.) not all Biologists believe in evolution. BTW, 2.) religion should take priority over scientific lies.

1. Source?
2. Science is backed up with testable observations and data, religion is not.
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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:39 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:It does contradict Christianity. The Infidel lie that is evolution teaches that animals "evolved" over millions of years while Christianity teaches that God created all life on Earth.


Christianity doesn't teach that.

I'm assuming you've never touched a Bible.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:40 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:1) Depends on which sect of Christianity one belongs to.
2) Completely irrelevant. Religious myth does not take priority over scientific fact.
3)There is tons of evidence for evolution, and much of modern medicine is based on it? Do you use modern medicine? Thank our knowledge of evolution.


Evolution has nothing to do with medicine, Medicine has more to do with Chemistry, and not all Biologists believe in evolution. BTW, religion should take priority over scientific lies.

*sigh* :palm:

1) Evolution has everything to do with medicine, since medications against certain species of bacteria must constantly go through 'updates' as said species adapt (in other words, they evolve) and become immune.

2) That not all biologists believe in evolution is true. Sadly, all professions have a minority of idiots who somehow managed to get a degree despite getting even the basics of their professions wrong.

3) Religion should stop pretending it knows better than that minority of wonderful human beings whose lives revolve around actually going out and studying the Universe, rather than lazily getting simplistic answers to complex questions from ancient mythological texts. As for 'scientific lies', if by 'scientific lies' you mean fraudulent theories, it goes without saying that they should be thoroughly debunked and condemned... through science.
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Postby Lingang » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:45 pm

So a third of Americans don't believe in a widley accepted theory ( well, not really a theory), and people are calling them idiots. Who gives a shit if they dont accept facts, why care? Its what they choose to put their faith in, they're not hurting us...
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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:46 pm

Lingang wrote:So a third of Americans don't believe in a widley accepted theory ( well, not really a theory), and people are calling them idiots. Who gives a shit if they dont accept facts, why care? They're not hurting us...

They are.

They're trying to teach their bullshit to our kids, and trying to put their beliefs in our schools.
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The Scientific States wrote:
Lingang wrote:So a third of Americans don't believe in a widley accepted theory ( well, not really a theory), and people are calling them idiots. Who gives a shit if they dont accept facts, why care? They're not hurting us...

They are.

They're trying to teach their bullshit to our kids, and trying to put their beliefs in our schools.

And a nation will never get very far with an uneducated populace.
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Postby Lingang » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:49 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Lingang wrote:So a third of Americans don't believe in a widley accepted theory ( well, not really a theory), and people are calling them idiots. Who gives a shit if they dont accept facts, why care? They're not hurting us...

They are.

They're trying to teach their bullshit to our kids, and trying to put their beliefs in our schools.


Not really, they teach creationism in private schools and evolution in public schools. You can choose what you want your child to hear. And its funny, cause most christians think that evolution is being forced down their kids throats.
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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:50 pm

Lingang wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:They are.

They're trying to teach their bullshit to our kids, and trying to put their beliefs in our schools.


Not really, they teach creationism in private schools and evolution in public schools. You can choose what you want your child to hear. And its funny, cause most christians think that evolution is being forced down their kids throats.


Most creationists have tried to get their false beliefs taught in public schools. Remember that whole fiasco in Kansas several years back?
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Condunum wrote:Oh please. America isn't even close to being in danger of being a theocracy. It has religiously motivated politicians, sure. But that's not equitable to a theocracy at all.

And that is why I said it is a small chance in my first post. I am sure many people that endured a horrible change in government had the same attitude before things went sour..."Oh please. (Insert Nation) isn't even close to being in danger.."

Any people who saw the danger ahead of time either moved or did something to stop it. Just because the chance is minimal doesn't mean you should ignore it. I am sure they thought the chance there would be a storm with water levels that the levies would be unable to take in New Orleans was so small a chance it wasn't worth updating the levies. Hindsight is always 20/20, and we wonder why people in the past were such fools. Remember, all I said was people should make an intelligent use of their vote.

1/3rd of the populace IMHO is a small chance for a theocracy, as almost all people who reject evolution in America are Christian fundamentalists who would like or desire a Christian only theocratic rule.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:53 pm

Lingang wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:They are.

They're trying to teach their bullshit to our kids, and trying to put their beliefs in our schools.


Not really, they teach creationism in private schools and evolution in public schools. You can choose what you want your child to hear. And its funny, cause most christians think that evolution is being forced down their kids throats.

Creationists and cdesign proponentsists also constantly attempt to push their nonsense into public schools, either through outright teaching of creationism or through "teach the controversy" idiocy.

Education means nothing when you are being taught incorrect information.

Also, knowledge of evolution is critical to modern medicine, especially vaccines. Are you going to say that "they aren't hurting us" still, even though if the creationists become too influential they could interfere greatly with medical progress?
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Postby Lingang » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:58 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Lingang wrote:
Not really, they teach creationism in private schools and evolution in public schools. You can choose what you want your child to hear. And its funny, cause most christians think that evolution is being forced down their kids throats.


Most creationists have tried to get their false beliefs taught in public schools. Remember that whole fiasco in Kansas several years back?


But that isn't neccisarily a problem. I have plenty of Christian friends who go to public schools and get evolution pounded through their heads (or at least the teachers tried), but they still held steadfast to their beliefs, cause they were tought otherwise by their parents/family/church who told them not to believe that stuff. It could go the other way for evolutionists: If you instill good knowledge in your kids and tell them not to listen to Christian stuff/ have them use logic, then they should be fine, right?
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Lingang wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Most creationists have tried to get their false beliefs taught in public schools. Remember that whole fiasco in Kansas several years back?

But that isn't neccisarily a problem. I have plenty of Christian friends who go to public schools and get evolution pounded through their heads (or at least the teachers tried), but they still held steadfast to their beliefs, cause they were tought otherwise by their parents/family/church who told them not to believe that stuff. It could go the other way for evolutionists: If you instill good knowledge in your kids and tell them not to listen to Christian stuff/ have them use logic, then they should be fine, right?

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Our teacher was a creationist. He called himself an intelligent design proponent, but it's creationism. (My teacher also was a believer in other pesudoscientific things, but that's not important right now.)

My teacher decided that instead of following the school curriculum, that he'll "teach the controversy" and taught us ID. "Darwin was a schizo!" he claimed, along with "carbon-14 data is FAKEEEEEEEEEEEE", "scientists cherry-pick data", "what you think about geology is FAKEEEEEEEEEEEEE", "the pepper moth experiment was FAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE", and others.

I'm still trying to clear my head and sort out the falsehoods from the truth. Part of me wants to scream that Darwin was mentally ill when I read about the Beagle, because of what I was taught in that biology class.
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Postby The Roman Imperial Republic » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:09 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Lingang wrote:
Not really, they teach creationism in private schools and evolution in public schools. You can choose what you want your child to hear. And its funny, cause most christians think that evolution is being forced down their kids throats.


Most creationists have tried to get their false beliefs taught in public schools. Remember that whole fiasco in Kansas several years back?


Didn't that result in the creation of the religion of his noodly holiness?

The fact that creationism still exists as an entity, is a shame for the entire human race. Science is the future, but how can we get there when creationists drag us down. Let them teach all they want in their homes and at the pulpit, but not in our schools.
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Regnum Dominae wrote:1) Depends on which sect of Christianity one belongs to.
2) Completely irrelevant. Religious myth does not take priority over scientific fact.
3)There is tons of evidence for evolution, and much of modern medicine is based on it? Do you use modern medicine? Thank our knowledge of evolution.


Evolution has nothing to do with medicine, Medicine has more to do with Chemistry, and not all Biologists believe in evolution. BTW, religion should take priority over scientific lies.

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Empire of Narnia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:1) Depends on which sect of Christianity one belongs to.
2) Completely irrelevant. Religious myth does not take priority over scientific fact.
3)There is tons of evidence for evolution, and much of modern medicine is based on it? Do you use modern medicine? Thank our knowledge of evolution.


Evolution has nothing to do with medicine, Medicine has more to do with Chemistry, and not all Biologists believe in evolution. BTW, religion should take priority over scientific lies.

Provide a source proving that evolution is false and religion is the truth.

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The Scientific States wrote:
Most creationists have tried to get their false beliefs taught in public schools. Remember that whole fiasco in Kansas several years back?


Didn't that result in the creation of the religion of his noodly holiness?

The fact that creationism still exists as an entity, is a shame for the entire human race. Science is the future, but how can we get there when creationists drag us down. Let them teach all they want in their homes and at the pulpit, but not in our schools.



What can we do about them? Nothing really. That same mentality was used by a certain group of people towards another less than a century ago, and before one of them thought to murder them, they thought, "The fact that Jews still exist as a race, is a shame for the human species. Nordics are the future, but how can we get there when Jews drag us down." Not suggesting that your implying that, but just referencing.
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Didn't that result in the creation of the religion of his noodly holiness?

The fact that creationism still exists as an entity, is a shame for the entire human race. Science is the future, but how can we get there when creationists drag us down. Let them teach all they want in their homes and at the pulpit, but not in our schools.



What can we do about them? Nothing really. That same mentality was used by a certain group of people towards another less than a century ago, and before one of them thought to murder them, they thought, "The fact that Jews still exist as a race, is a shame for the human species. Nordics are the future, but how can we get there when Jews drag us down." Not suggesting that your implying that, but just referencing.

What the literal fuck
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:25 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:. BTW, religion should take priority over scientific lies.


Why ? Your religion does not work. Machines based on creationist physics do not start. Cures based on creationist biology do not heal.
As long as your religious version of science stays utterly useless, I shall stick with the non-religious scientific "lies" that made it possible for me to type this, thank you very much.
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Lingang wrote:
The Roman Imperial Republic wrote:Didn't that result in the creation of the religion of his noodly holiness?

The fact that creationism still exists as an entity, is a shame for the entire human race. Science is the future, but how can we get there when creationists drag us down. Let them teach all they want in their homes and at the pulpit, but not in our schools.

What can we do about them? Nothing really. That same mentality was used by a certain group of people towards another less than a century ago, and before one of them thought to murder them, they thought, "The fact that Jews still exist as a race, is a shame for the human species. Nordics are the future, but how can we get there when Jews drag us down." Not suggesting that your implying that, but just referencing.

:eyebrow: So basically "people who want to teach actual science in schools are Hitler"? Where have I not heard this argument before?
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:26 pm

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Lingang wrote:

What can we do about them? Nothing really. That same mentality was used by a certain group of people towards another less than a century ago, and before one of them thought to murder them, they thought, "The fact that Jews still exist as a race, is a shame for the human species. Nordics are the future, but how can we get there when Jews drag us down." Not suggesting that your implying that, but just referencing.

What the literal fuck


What do you mean? Jews are bad, Nords are good, heil Obama. What are you not getting?

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Regnum Dominae wrote:What the literal fuck


What do you mean? Jews are bad, Nords are good, heil Obama. What are you not getting?

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Blasted Craigs wrote:And that is why I said it is a small chance in my first post. I am sure many people that endured a horrible change in government had the same attitude before things went sour..."Oh please. (Insert Nation) isn't even close to being in danger.."

Any people who saw the danger ahead of time either moved or did something to stop it. Just because the chance is minimal doesn't mean you should ignore it. I am sure they thought the chance there would be a storm with water levels that the levies would be unable to take in New Orleans was so small a chance it wasn't worth updating the levies. Hindsight is always 20/20, and we wonder why people in the past were such fools. Remember, all I said was people should make an intelligent use of their vote.

1/3rd of the populace IMHO is a small chance for a theocracy, as almost all people who reject evolution in America are Christian fundamentalists who would like or desire a Christian only theocratic rule.

I think you do a serious dishonor to the people of most civil wars. Many people know it's bound to happen.

Once hostilities break out and civil war is upon them, I agree, most people know civil war is upon them. The majority of people, however, do not know with clarity ahead of time that disaster is upon them or they would act to stop it or get away, few will shrug their shoulders and say, "meh" if they knew the level of disaster they faced. Notice I am talking about the group as a whole, not a few individuals.

Most involved in civil war before the conflict begins either do not think hostilities will break out or they will not be that bad if they do. Otherwise the try to avoid the danger as best they can, and if they are too poor to escape (as most victims in those scenarios are) they are most times uninformed of public policy or social unrest unless they are directly involved (i.e. part of the resistance).

This is not due to unwillingness on the part of the poor to be informed. It is usually an effort by those in power to keep the masses uninformed. It takes effort and vigilance for a people to be informed about their society outside their social circle and the dangers to their society. Since ancient times, leaders know they need the masses, but they also are best served if the masses do not know what they do.

We Americans are blessed to be as informed about our society as we are, even if it skewed to influence one's opinion, yet most of us cannot be bothered to use the information provided or even be bothered to remember it beyond when the hype is over.
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