NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[Oneracon]

*cough* It's my policy now *cough*

I was just reinforcing your statement, because it's being mainly ignored now.

As far as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces says, we are neutral. I want really badly to like Israel, but they've definitely overstepped their boundaries with this wall.

Also violating the Geneva Conventions.

[Gallup]

To all the Americans in this thread like me...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

I believe you've confused your location, Senator. This is Aurentina.

IC: Who doesn't love a good turkey?

OOC: Oops. Ah well.

[Oneracon]

Mister PpT, could you please redirect the link for the Internet User Protection Act to this version?

Internet User Protection Act
Urgency: High | Author: Oneracon [RG] | Category: Domestic Development
Sponsors: Belmaria [LCP], Kiruri [RG], The New Sea Territory [LCP], Jerusalemian [NDP]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

APPLAUDING the aims of the Internet Freedom Act to protect the privacy of Internet users;

LAMENTING the incomplete focus of said Act, especially its explicit focus on government entities;

SEEKING to ensure that all Aurentine Internet users are protected from unnecessary surveillance by both government and private entities;

HEREBY ENACTS the following:

Repeals

1. The Internet Freedom Act and the First Amendment to the Internet Freedom Act shall be struck out and rendered null and void.
   
   Definitions
2. For the purposes of this Act, "individual" and "individual person" is defined as a natural person.
3. For the purposes of this Act, "government entity" is defined as any level of government within the Aurentine Commonwealth and any subdivisions thereof.
4. For the purposes of this Act, "private entity" is defined as any registered legal entity that is not a government entity.
5. For the purposes of this Act, "online activities" are defined as any action or series of actions that involves the transmission and/or retrieval of data via the Internet. This includes but is not limited to: sending or receiving electronic mail, browsing websites, and/or accessing computer files.
6. For the purposes of this Act, "Internet Service Provider" is defined as any entity that provides subscribers with access to the Internet.
7. For the purposes of this Act, "encryption algorithm" is defined as any method by which data can be enciphered so as to be unreadable to unauthorized persons or entities.
8. For the purposes of this Act, "personal information" is defined as any information about an identifiable individual including information concerning data transmitted over the Internet.
   
   Prohibition of Censorship
9. No government entity, private entity, or individual shall modify, censor, or remove online content.
   
   1. The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):
      1. In the case of a government entity: content which exists on websites, databases, servers owned by the government or content on domains or subdomains reserved for government use by the Aurentina Network Information Centre (AurNIC).
      2. In the case of a private entity or individual: content that exists on websites, databases, or servers owned by said private entity or individual.
      3. Pornographic materials, defined as any images designed to incite sexual arousal, which portray or depict at least one or more real individuals under the age of consent.
   Prohibition of Individual Monitoring
10. No government entity, private entity, or individual shall monitor the online activities of individual persons.
    1. The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):
       1. In the case of a government entity: Monitoring employees of a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis; Monitoring individuals suspected of criminal activity if a warrant has been issued pursuant to Sections 4b - 4e of the Law and Order Improvement Act.
    Protection of Employee Privacy
11. No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall be permitted to consent to a search for the purposes of law enforcement of said devices without the permission of the possessing employee.
12. No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall monitor usage of said devices or search said devices without permission of its possessing employee, unless:
    1. there is sufficient evidence that the employee in question is using these devices in detriment of their employer or fellow employees; or
    2. the employee in question works for a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis (in accordance with Section 8ai of this Act).
    Legality of Encryption
13. The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of encryption algorithms by the general public.
14. The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by the general public.
15. No Internet Service Provider shall restrict the use of encryption algorithms by its subscribers, the passage of encrypted traffic through its network, or the usage of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by its subscribers.
    
    Freedom of Speech
16. The right to freedoms of speech and expression shall apply to online communications and publications equally to any other means of communication, including any conditions specified in the Limiting Legislation Act and other laws.
    
    Protection of Internet Users from Private Entity Surveillance
17. No government entity shall accept unsolicited Internet-based personal information regarding individual customers of Internet Service Providers.
18. No government entity shall be obligated to provide Internet-based personal information to a private entity.
19. Only government entities shall be issued search warrants to permit individual online monitoring.
    
    Exceptions for Non-Individual Monitoring
20. No part of this Act shall be construed as limiting the rights of Internet Service Providers to monitor general flows of traffic through their network or the bandwidth usage of individual users for the purposes of ensuring quality of service.

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[box][align=center][size=150][b]Internet User Protection Act[/b][/size]
[b]Urgency:[/b] High | [b]Author:[/b] [nation]Oneracon[/nation] [RG] | [b]Category:[/b] Domestic Development
[b]Sponsors:[/b] [nation]Belmaria[/nation] [LCP], [nation]Kiruri[/nation] [RG], [nation]The New Sea Territory[/nation] [LCP], [nation]Jerusalemian[/nation] [NDP][/align][hr][/hr] [i]The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,[/i]

[b]APPLAUDING[/b] the aims of the [i]Internet Freedom Act[/i] to protect the privacy of Internet users;

[b]LAMENTING[/b] the incomplete focus of said Act, especially its explicit focus on government entities;

[b]SEEKING[/b] to ensure that all Aurentine Internet users are protected from unnecessary surveillance by both government and private entities;

[b]HEREBY ENACTS[/b] the following:

[list=1][u]Repeals[/u]
[*]The [i]Internet Freedom Act[/i] and the [i]First Amendment to the Internet Freedom Act[/i] shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

[u]Definitions[/u]
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "individual" and "individual person" is defined as a natural person.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "government entity" is defined as any level of government within the Aurentine Commonwealth and any subdivisions thereof.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "private entity" is defined as any registered legal entity that is not a government entity.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "online activities" are defined as any action or series of actions that involves the transmission and/or retrieval of data via the Internet. This includes but is not limited to: sending or receiving electronic mail, browsing websites, and/or accessing computer files.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "Internet Service Provider" is defined as any entity that provides subscribers with access to the Internet.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "encryption algorithm" is defined as any method (usually mathematical) by which data can be enciphered so as to be unreadable to unauthorized persons or entities.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "personal information" is defined as any information about an identifiable individual including information concerning data transmitted over the Internet.

[u]Prohibition of Censorship[/u]
[*]No government entity, private entity, or individual shall modify, censor, or remove online content.
[list=a][*]The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):[list=i][*]In the case of a government entity: content which exists on websites, databases, servers owned by the government or content on domains or subdomains reserved for government use by the Aurentina Network Information Centre (AurNIC).[*]In the case of a private entity or individual: content that exists on websites, databases, or servers owned by said private entity or individual.[*]Pornographic materials, defined as any images designed to incite sexual arousal, which portray or depict at least one or more real individuals under the age of consent.[/list][/list]
[u]Prohibition of Individual Monitoring[/u]
[*]No government entity, private entity, or individual shall monitor the online activities of individual persons.[list=a][*]The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):[list=i][*]In the case of a government entity: Monitoring employees of a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis; Monitoring individuals suspected of criminal activity if a warrant has been issued pursuant to Sections 4b - 4e of the [i]Law and Order Improvement Act[/i].[/list][/list]
[u]Protection of Employee Privacy[/u]
[*]No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall be permitted to consent to a search for the purposes of law enforcement of said devices without the permission of the possessing employee.
[*]No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall monitor usage of said devices or search said devices without permission of its possessing employee, unless:[list=a][*]there is sufficient evidence that the employee in question is using these devices in detriment of their employer or fellow employees; or [*]the employee in question works for a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis (in accordance with Section 8ai of this Act).[/list]
[u]Legality of Encryption[/u]
[*]The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of encryption algorithms by the general public.
[*]The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by the general public.
[*]No Internet Service Provider shall restrict the use of encryption algorithms by its subscribers, the passage of encrypted traffic through its network, or the usage of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by its subscribers.

[u]Freedom of Speech[/u]
[*]The right to freedoms of speech and expression shall apply to online communications and publications equally to any other means of communication, including any conditions specified in the [i]Limiting Legislation Act[/i] and other laws.

[u]Protection of Internet Users from Private Entity Surveillance[/u]
[*]No government entity shall accept unsolicited Internet-based personal information regarding individual customers of Internet Service Providers.
[*]No government entity shall be obligated to provide Internet-based personal information to a private entity.
[*]Only government entities shall be issued search warrants to permit individual online monitoring.

[u]Exceptions for Non-Individual Monitoring[/u]
[*]No part of this Act shall be construed as limiting the rights of Internet Service Providers to monitor general flows of traffic through their network or the bandwidth usage of individual users for the purposes of ensuring quality of service.[/list][/box]

[Kamchastkia]

To all the Americans in this thread like me...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Yes! Time to eat a lot celebrating the ONE time we didn't slaughter the native americans! WOOT!

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Mister PpT, could you please redirect the link for the Internet User Protection Act to this version?

Internet User Protection Act
Urgency: High | Author: Oneracon [RG] | Category: Domestic Development
Sponsors: Belmaria [LCP], Kiruri [RG], The New Sea Territory [LCP], Jerusalemian [NDP]

---

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

APPLAUDING the aims of the Internet Freedom Act to protect the privacy of Internet users;

LAMENTING the incomplete focus of said Act, especially its explicit focus on government entities;

SEEKING to ensure that all Aurentine Internet users are protected from unnecessary surveillance by both government and private entities;

HEREBY ENACTS the following:

Repeals

1. The Internet Freedom Act and the First Amendment to the Internet Freedom Act shall be struck out and rendered null and void.
   
   Definitions
2. For the purposes of this Act, "individual" and "individual person" is defined as a natural person.
3. For the purposes of this Act, "government entity" is defined as any level of government within the Aurentine Commonwealth and any subdivisions thereof.
4. For the purposes of this Act, "private entity" is defined as any registered legal entity that is not a government entity.
5. For the purposes of this Act, "online activities" are defined as any action or series of actions that involves the transmission and/or retrieval of data via the Internet. This includes but is not limited to: sending or receiving electronic mail, browsing websites, and/or accessing computer files.
6. For the purposes of this Act, "Internet Service Provider" is defined as any entity that provides subscribers with access to the Internet.
7. For the purposes of this Act, "encryption algorithm" is defined as any method by which data can be enciphered so as to be unreadable to unauthorized persons or entities.
8. For the purposes of this Act, "personal information" is defined as any information about an identifiable individual including information concerning data transmitted over the Internet.
   
   Prohibition of Censorship
9. No government entity, private entity, or individual shall modify, censor, or remove online content.
   
   1. The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):
      1. In the case of a government entity: content which exists on websites, databases, servers owned by the government or content on domains or subdomains reserved for government use by the Aurentina Network Information Centre (AurNIC).
      2. In the case of a private entity or individual: content that exists on websites, databases, or servers owned by said private entity or individual.
      3. Pornographic materials, defined as any images designed to incite sexual arousal, which portray or depict at least one or more real individuals under the age of consent.
   Prohibition of Individual Monitoring
10. No government entity, private entity, or individual shall monitor the online activities of individual persons.
    1. The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):
       1. In the case of a government entity: Monitoring employees of a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis; Monitoring individuals suspected of criminal activity if a warrant has been issued pursuant to Sections 4b - 4e of the Law and Order Improvement Act.
    Protection of Employee Privacy
11. No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall be permitted to consent to a search for the purposes of law enforcement of said devices without the permission of the possessing employee.
12. No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall monitor usage of said devices or search said devices without permission of its possessing employee, unless:
    1. there is sufficient evidence that the employee in question is using these devices in detriment of their employer or fellow employees; or
    2. the employee in question works for a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis (in accordance with Section 8ai of this Act).
    Legality of Encryption
13. The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of encryption algorithms by the general public.
14. The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by the general public.
15. No Internet Service Provider shall restrict the use of encryption algorithms by its subscribers, the passage of encrypted traffic through its network, or the usage of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by its subscribers.
    
    Freedom of Speech
16. The right to freedoms of speech and expression shall apply to online communications and publications equally to any other means of communication, including any conditions specified in the Limiting Legislation Act and other laws.
    
    Protection of Internet Users from Private Entity Surveillance
17. No government entity shall accept unsolicited Internet-based personal information regarding individual customers of Internet Service Providers.
18. No government entity shall be obligated to provide Internet-based personal information to a private entity.
19. Only government entities shall be issued search warrants to permit individual online monitoring.
    
    Exceptions for Non-Individual Monitoring
20. No part of this Act shall be construed as limiting the rights of Internet Service Providers to monitor general flows of traffic through their network or the bandwidth usage of individual users for the purposes of ensuring quality of service.

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[box][align=center][size=150][b]Internet User Protection Act[/b][/size]
[b]Urgency:[/b] High | [b]Author:[/b] [nation]Oneracon[/nation] [RG] | [b]Category:[/b] Domestic Development
[b]Sponsors:[/b] [nation]Belmaria[/nation] [LCP], [nation]Kiruri[/nation] [RG], [nation]The New Sea Territory[/nation] [LCP], [nation]Jerusalemian[/nation] [NDP][/align][hr][/hr] [i]The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,[/i]

[b]APPLAUDING[/b] the aims of the [i]Internet Freedom Act[/i] to protect the privacy of Internet users;

[b]LAMENTING[/b] the incomplete focus of said Act, especially its explicit focus on government entities;

[b]SEEKING[/b] to ensure that all Aurentine Internet users are protected from unnecessary surveillance by both government and private entities;

[b]HEREBY ENACTS[/b] the following:

[list=1][u]Repeals[/u]
[*]The [i]Internet Freedom Act[/i] and the [i]First Amendment to the Internet Freedom Act[/i] shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

[u]Definitions[/u]
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "individual" and "individual person" is defined as a natural person.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "government entity" is defined as any level of government within the Aurentine Commonwealth and any subdivisions thereof.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "private entity" is defined as any registered legal entity that is not a government entity.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "online activities" are defined as any action or series of actions that involves the transmission and/or retrieval of data via the Internet. This includes but is not limited to: sending or receiving electronic mail, browsing websites, and/or accessing computer files.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "Internet Service Provider" is defined as any entity that provides subscribers with access to the Internet.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "encryption algorithm" is defined as any method (usually mathematical) by which data can be enciphered so as to be unreadable to unauthorized persons or entities.
[*]For the purposes of this Act, "personal information" is defined as any information about an identifiable individual including information concerning data transmitted over the Internet.

[u]Prohibition of Censorship[/u]
[*]No government entity, private entity, or individual shall modify, censor, or remove online content.
[list=a][*]The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):[list=i][*]In the case of a government entity: content which exists on websites, databases, servers owned by the government or content on domains or subdomains reserved for government use by the Aurentina Network Information Centre (AurNIC).[*]In the case of a private entity or individual: content that exists on websites, databases, or servers owned by said private entity or individual.[*]Pornographic materials, defined as any images designed to incite sexual arousal, which portray or depict at least one or more real individuals under the age of consent.[/list][/list]
[u]Prohibition of Individual Monitoring[/u]
[*]No government entity, private entity, or individual shall monitor the online activities of individual persons.[list=a][*]The above shall not apply to the following exceptional case(s):[list=i][*]In the case of a government entity: Monitoring employees of a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis; Monitoring individuals suspected of criminal activity if a warrant has been issued pursuant to Sections 4b - 4e of the [i]Law and Order Improvement Act[/i].[/list][/list]
[u]Protection of Employee Privacy[/u]
[*]No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall be permitted to consent to a search for the purposes of law enforcement of said devices without the permission of the possessing employee.
[*]No private entity which issues computers or computer-like devices (such as smartphones) to its employees shall monitor usage of said devices or search said devices without permission of its possessing employee, unless:[list=a][*]there is sufficient evidence that the employee in question is using these devices in detriment of their employer or fellow employees; or [*]the employee in question works for a government entity where data vital to the national security are being used on a regular basis (in accordance with Section 8ai of this Act).[/list]
[u]Legality of Encryption[/u]
[*]The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of encryption algorithms by the general public.
[*]The government shall pass no law or directive with the purpose of restricting access to or the use of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by the general public.
[*]No Internet Service Provider shall restrict the use of encryption algorithms by its subscribers, the passage of encrypted traffic through its network, or the usage of anonymity software such as Tor or Freenet by its subscribers.

[u]Freedom of Speech[/u]
[*]The right to freedoms of speech and expression shall apply to online communications and publications equally to any other means of communication, including any conditions specified in the [i]Limiting Legislation Act[/i] and other laws.

[u]Protection of Internet Users from Private Entity Surveillance[/u]
[*]No government entity shall accept unsolicited Internet-based personal information regarding individual customers of Internet Service Providers.
[*]No government entity shall be obligated to provide Internet-based personal information to a private entity.
[*]Only government entities shall be issued search warrants to permit individual online monitoring.

[u]Exceptions for Non-Individual Monitoring[/u]
[*]No part of this Act shall be construed as limiting the rights of Internet Service Providers to monitor general flows of traffic through their network or the bandwidth usage of individual users for the purposes of ensuring quality of service.[/list][/box]

Done.

[Bleckonia]

To all the Americans in this thread like me...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Yes! Time to eat a lot celebrating the ONE time we didn't slaughter the native americans! WOOT!

We used to kill Native Americans on Thanksgiving to steal their land. Now we kill each other to get a cheap 60" TV. To paraphrase George Carlin a bit: People say that the U.S.'s religion is Christianity, but it's actually consumerism. So true.

EDIT: Sorry to be off topic.

[Skeckoa]

Yes! Time to eat a lot celebrating the ONE time we didn't slaughter the native americans! WOOT!

We used to kill Native Americans on Thanksgiving to steal their land. Now we kill each other to get a cheap 60" TV. To paraphrase George Carlin a bit: People say that the U.S.'s religion is Christianity, but it's actually consumerism. So true.EDIT: Sorry to be off topic.

In all fairness, Americans didn't start continually celebrating the day until the Civil War was underway. Lincoln declared it a national holiday, and Senate made if officially official in 1941. So there are truly humbling circumstances where people began to be grateful.

[New Bierstaat]

To all the Americans in this thread like me...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Yes! Time to eat a lot celebrating the ONE time we didn't slaughter the native americans! WOOT!

We? I don't know about you, but I'm American and I've never killed a Native American.

[Kamchastkia]

Yes! Time to eat a lot celebrating the ONE time we didn't slaughter the native americans! WOOT!

We? I don't know about you, but I'm American and I've never killed a Native American.

We, the peoples of europe, and of european descent. Need I not remind you of people like Christopher Columbus.

[Minarchist States]

I am native American as I was born in North America

Who is slaughtering native Americans? I demand to know who'd butcher native Americans on Thanksgiving.

[New Bierstaat]

We? I don't know about you, but I'm American and I've never killed a Native American.

We, the peoples of europe, and of european descent. Need I not remind you of people like Christopher Columbus.

We didn't choose to kill native Americans. Christopher Columbus is to blame for his actions, Andrew Jackson for his, and so on.
I am not to blame for the killings of Native Americans, and neither is any group that includes me.

[Unicario]

We? I don't know about you, but I'm American and I've never killed a Native American.

We, the peoples of europe, and of european descent. Need I not remind you of people like Christopher Columbus.

Collective guilt is definitely something that's not okay. Keep your mass guilt to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.

[Beta Test]

We, the peoples of europe, and of european descent. Need I not remind you of people like Christopher Columbus.

Collective guilt is definitely something that's not okay. Keep your mass guilt to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.

[New Bierstaat]

We, the peoples of europe, and of european descent. Need I not remind you of people like Christopher Columbus.

Collective guilt is definitely something that's not okay. Keep your mass guilt to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.

This. Thank you!

[Divitaen]

We, the peoples of europe, and of european descent. Need I not remind you of people like Christopher Columbus.

Collective guilt is definitely something that's not okay. Keep your mass guilt to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.

Finally, someone says it.

[Britanno]

Can we shut up about an American holiday that makes no sense and has little point and get back on topic?

[New Bierstaat]

Can we shut up about an American holiday that makes no sense and has little point and get back on topic?

Come on, celebrating Thanksgiving while defeating Kam's collectivist white guilt claims is fun!

And actually, Thanksgiving makes a lot of sense when you consider the historical context.

[Kamchastkia]

We, the peoples of europe, and of european descent. Need I not remind you of people like Christopher Columbus.

Collective guilt is definitely something that's not okay. Keep your mass guilt to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.

I'm sorry, but we shouldn't feel guilty for what our governments have done to thousands upon thousands of natives? Should we not feel bad about letting Hitler get into power? Should we not feel bad about the holocaust? Should we not feel bad about the Israeli-Palestinian situation caused by the British rule we were under until a few months ago?

[New Bierstaat]

Collective guilt is definitely something that's not okay. Keep your mass guilt to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.

I'm sorry, but we shouldn't feel guilty for what our governments have done to thousands upon thousands of natives? Should we not feel bad about letting Hitler get into power? Should we not feel bad about the holocaust? Should we not feel bad about the Israeli-Palestinian situation caused by the British rule we were under until a few months ago?

No, we shouldn't. We didn't do it. Sympathy, yes. Guilt, no.

[Unicario]

Collective guilt is definitely something that's not okay. Keep your mass guilt to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.

I'm sorry, but we shouldn't feel guilty for what our governments have done to thousands upon thousands of natives? Should we not feel bad about letting Hitler get into power? Should we not feel bad about the holocaust? Should we not feel bad about the Israeli-Palestinian situation caused by the British rule we were under until a few months ago?

Sympathy for those that died, and remember what they died for? Of course.

Feeling bad about it because white guilt? Hell no. Take that shit elsewhere.

[Kamchastkia]

I'm sorry, but we shouldn't feel guilty for what our governments have done to thousands upon thousands of natives? Should we not feel bad about letting Hitler get into power? Should we not feel bad about the holocaust? Should we not feel bad about the Israeli-Palestinian situation caused by the British rule we were under until a few months ago?

No, we shouldn't. We didn't do it. Sympathy, yes. Guilt, no.

wat

[Skeckoa]

I'm sorry, but we shouldn't feel guilty for what our governments have done to thousands upon thousands of natives? Should we not feel bad about letting Hitler get into power? Should we not feel bad about the holocaust? Should we not feel bad about the Israeli-Palestinian situation caused by the British rule we were under until a few months ago?

Sympathy for those that died, and remember what they died for? Of course.Feeling bad about it because white guilt? Hell no. Take that shit elsewhere.

I may not be white guilt type of person, but just remember that most likely, you still benefit from those tragedies.

[Unicario]

Sympathy for those that died, and remember what they died for? Of course.Feeling bad about it because white guilt? Hell no. Take that shit elsewhere.

I may not be white guilt type of person, but just remember that most likely, you still benefit from those tragedies.

Considering I'm a German, and I have to spend most of my life dealing with people looking down on myself and my people collectively for the Holocaust? Doubtful.

[Britanno]

Take this elsewhere.

[Skeckoa]

I may not be white guilt type of person, but just remember that most likely, you still benefit from those tragedies.

Considering I'm a German, and I have to spend most of my life dealing with people looking down on myself and my people collectively for the Holocaust? Doubtful.

Ahh, well, I never understood well Europe's remorse. I was thinking more American. Okey dokeys then. BTW, at least as far as I know, Germany seems to have paid off its dues as a nation.

Take this elsewhere.

Peace out!