Thama wrote:Hello, I'm a Caucasian male and Nigga this shit is dank 'yo.
Political Correctness. Pfft.
Oh Jesus it's that guitarist from U2.
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by Frisivisia » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:33 am
Thama wrote:Hello, I'm a Caucasian male and Nigga this shit is dank 'yo.
Political Correctness. Pfft.
by Shove Piggy Shove » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:34 am
Kumrann wrote:Its arrogant to suggest that because someone disagrees with something automatically means they don't understand what their talking about. Of course there's lots of anti PC nonsense with people saying "we have to call Christmas Wintermass or you cant order a black coffee". But its wrong to pretend that despite being well intended it's not flawed - it's gone beyond a sort of organised politeness to something that does limit political discourse there are a number of issues that politicians (I can only speak for the UK) are unable to have an open discussion about. Surely the sign of a mature, free and liberal society is to not have political correctness but to have one were people are allowed to say what they want so say & also one were people can rightfully defend themselves and feel offended without being told they need to grow a 'thicker skin' ?
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by Kumrann » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:40 am
Shove Piggy Shove wrote:Kumrann wrote:Its arrogant to suggest that because someone disagrees with something automatically means they don't understand what their talking about. Of course there's lots of anti PC nonsense with people saying "we have to call Christmas Wintermass or you cant order a black coffee". But its wrong to pretend that despite being well intended it's not flawed - it's gone beyond a sort of organised politeness to something that does limit political discourse there are a number of issues that politicians (I can only speak for the UK) are unable to have an open discussion about. Surely the sign of a mature, free and liberal society is to not have political correctness but to have one were people are allowed to say what they want so say & also one were people can rightfully defend themselves and feel offended without being told they need to grow a 'thicker skin' ?
Surely it depends on what they are being offended by? For example, this just seems silly to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22
by Liriena » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:02 am
Kumrann wrote:Liriena wrote:People whining about "political correctness" don't have any idea what the fuck they are talking about.
Its arrogant to suggest that because someone disagrees with something automatically means they don't understand what their talking about. Of course there's lots of anti PC nonsense with people saying "we have to call Christmas Wintermass or you cant order a black coffee". But its wrong to pretend that despite being well intended it's not flawed - it's gone beyond a sort of organised politeness to something that does limit political discourse there are a number of issues that politicians (I can only speak for the UK) are unable to have an open discussion about. Surely the sign of a mature, free and liberal society is to not have political correctness but to have one were people are allowed to say what they want so say & also one were people can rightfully defend themselves and feel offended without being told they need to grow a 'thicker skin' ?
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by Shove Piggy Shove » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:12 am
Kumrann wrote:Well I don't think that would be offensive but I think you should be allowed to be offended by it (even if I don't understand why you should). It also depends who says they were offended - if a black person said to me "I don't like it when people say niggardly" I wouldn't say it again.
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Jasper Fforde wrote:If the real world were a book, it would never find a publisher. Overlong, detailed to the point of distraction - and ultimately, without a major resolution.
Dennis the peasant wrote:Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
by Yorkopolis » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:14 am
Alien Space Bats wrote:Quintium wrote:My signature has a very sensible point on political correctness. The subjects for political correctness may have changed since the early 1940s, but the ways in which it is generally carried out have not. It's not so much overt government censorship - which is a shame, because then people couldn't deny it - but rather a sickening, deceptive form of self-censorship by those genuinely afraid of offending someone or something they're afraid to offend.
Let's be honest with ourselves: Conservative carpring about political correctness is largely an effort to avoid getting called out for being racist, sexist, or homophobic. It's as if Conservative America is telling the rest of us, "Look, if I want to call a black man 'nigger', a woman 'slut', and a gay man 'faggot", that's not my problem — it's yours. Grow a pair, accept my right to offend you, AND DON'T TALK BACK."
Thus, my response to criticism of "political correctness": If you want to be a racist, sexist, homophobic, or religious bigot, go ahead — shoot off your mouth. Use whatever hateful language and vile epithets you want; that IS indeed your right.
But don't whine when I rhetorically tear you a bloody new asshole, calling you out for your small-minded hatefulness and unsuitability as even a poor facsimile of a human being. If you're going to reserve the right to be insensitive to others around you, then I'm going to reserve the right to make your asshattery abundantly clear to the world, and ride you off into the sunset like a broken quarterhorse until you can't stand the sound of my voice in your ear.
Because if you insist on exercising your God-given right to bring discomfort and misery to the loves of others, then I'm going to make it my Karmic mission to bring discomfort and misery to yours. First Amendment, bitches.
by Ifreann » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:59 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:12 am
by Nazi Flower Power » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:18 am
Baltic Finland wrote:Political correctness is fucking bullshit. Why shouldn't I be allowed to criticize a nutjob whose opinions are goddamn stupid with harsh words?
by Shaggai » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:22 am
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Baltic Finland wrote:Political correctness is fucking bullshit. Why shouldn't I be allowed to criticize a nutjob whose opinions are goddamn stupid with harsh words?
You are allowed. It's just a two way street and you have to accept that sometimes people will whine about how you hurt their feelings.
Sometimes people are going to tell you that whatever you said is insensitive, racist, sexist, etc., and you just have to tell them, "Well, it's still true, and you can't change reality by playing the race/gender/whatever card."
If the PC backlash is so overwhelming that you can't stand your ground, then maybe whatever you said actually WAS bigoted and wrong. If you have a reasonable opinion and you do a decent job of arguing it, you can generally find at least SOMEONE to back you up.
by Nazi Flower Power » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:28 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Baltic Finland wrote:Just stating my opinion. Isn't what I said what political correctness means?
That's the myth part of it. There is literally no major movement afoot in the United States (nor, so far as I am aware, any other Western nation) to take away your right to say whatever you want.
by Nazi Flower Power » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:38 am
Shaggai wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
You are allowed. It's just a two way street and you have to accept that sometimes people will whine about how you hurt their feelings.
Sometimes people are going to tell you that whatever you said is insensitive, racist, sexist, etc., and you just have to tell them, "Well, it's still true, and you can't change reality by playing the race/gender/whatever card."
If the PC backlash is so overwhelming that you can't stand your ground, then maybe whatever you said actually WAS bigoted and wrong. If you have a reasonable opinion and you do a decent job of arguing it, you can generally find at least SOMEONE to back you up.
No, he's saying that PC doesn't exist. You're agreeing.
by New Octopucta » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:39 am
Ethel mermania wrote:to a point political correctness is required. no one should be called nigger or spic,
but can it go to far?
is a halloween costume of treyvon martin racist?
how about a geisha?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... z2jhJkYy9k
by Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:44 am
New Octopucta wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:to a point political correctness is required. no one should be called nigger or spic,
but can it go to far?
is a halloween costume of treyvon martin racist?
how about a geisha?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... z2jhJkYy9k
I don't know about necessarily racist, but both are ridiculously insensitive no matter what your skin color is. A black person in a Treyvon Martin costume or a Japanese-American in a Geisha costume is still using someone's suffering to draw attention to themselves.
by New Octopucta » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:49 am
Ethel mermania wrote:it would be a white person in the treyvon martin costume, and i agree its insensitive.
an american in the geisha outfit . how is that racist?
by Alien Space Bats » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:58 am
Quintium wrote:And perhaps it's the people calling others racist, sexist or homophobic instead of responding to what they said who are the problem. If their point is really that nonsensical, why not explain that to them? Why immediately play the bigot card? That stifles public debate and creates an effect called 'polarisation' - the right moves to the right and the left moves to the left and ultimately you'll have a country that can barely be governed anymore because everyone's bickering over who's racist and who's politically correct.
Quintium wrote:Alien Space Bats wrote:It's as if Conservative America is telling the rest of us, "Look, if I want to call a black man 'nigger', a woman 'slut', and a gay man 'faggot", that's not my problem — it's yours. Grow a pair, accept my right to offend you, AND DON'T TALK BACK."
That has nothing to do with political correctness. I'll give you a better example.
Recently, many progressive politicians wanted to change a nineteenth-century royal carriage in my country because it depicted black people offering gifts to white people. That's political correctness. The changing, denying or ignoring of certain parts of reality, or history, or certain parts of the public debate in order to prevent offending people you've decided you do not want to offend. It's blatant revisionism for ideological reasons.
Quintium wrote:Well, I've never rhetorically had a new asshole torn by anyone. They've tried, but they've always failed, and you are no exception.
The best they could do were strawmen, insults, harsh language, threats and reports to moderators on an online forum.
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:22 am
by New Octopucta » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:34 am
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:I think feminists and people who are reeeeeeally moralistic about prostitution would rather not favour it but I don't see how it is inherently oppressive or insensitive.
by Indira » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:45 am
by Baltic Finland (Ancient) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:51 am
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Baltic Finland wrote:Political correctness is fucking bullshit. Why shouldn't I be allowed to criticize a nutjob whose opinions are goddamn stupid with harsh words?
You are allowed. It's just a two way street and you have to accept that sometimes people will whine about how you hurt their feelings.
Sometimes people are going to tell you that whatever you said is insensitive, racist, sexist, etc., and you just have to tell them, "Well, it's still true, and you can't change reality by playing the race/gender/whatever card."
If the PC backlash is so overwhelming that you can't stand your ground, then maybe whatever you said actually WAS bigoted and wrong. If you have a reasonable opinion and you do a decent job of arguing it, you can generally find at least SOMEONE to back you up.
by The UK in Exile » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:42 pm
Quintium wrote:
And perhaps it's the people calling others racist, sexist or homophobic instead of responding to what they said who are the problem. If their point is really that nonsensical, why not explain that to them? Why immediately play the bigot card?
by Madenia » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:58 pm
Ifreann wrote:I delight in the fact that the people complaining of PC going mad are effectively doing exactly what they're complaining of.
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by Yorkopolis » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:03 pm
The UK in Exile wrote:Quintium wrote:
And perhaps it's the people calling others racist, sexist or homophobic instead of responding to what they said who are the problem. If their point is really that nonsensical, why not explain that to them? Why immediately play the bigot card?
Because the process by which people arrive at non-sensical conclusions prevents them from grasping sensible explainations. Besides which no-one cares if a tiny minority of people have terrible views. Its only a problem when people choose to share them. The fallacy here is that racist, sexist or Homophobic views are somehow contributing to a debate. They aren't. If you aren't contributing, you need to be discouraged from taking part. Essentially they are just people blowing rasberries every time its their turn to talk. your saying "why not engage with them?"
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