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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:33 pm

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Not sure what you mean. We have one for chemical weapons and one for mens incontinence. Oh, and a couple bad ones on animals and the environment.

They tend to follow something of a pattern. You'll see them follow real world issues as the news reports march by. With New Jersey legalizing gay marriage, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a draft repealing FoMA soon.

Don't we already have those on a regular basis, courtesy of the daily issue?


Forgot about that. Damn. And here I thought I had it down to a science. Well, most proposals follow the direction the real world news is going in. Out of sight, out of mind and vice-versa.

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Eire Ireland
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Postby Eire Ireland » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:49 pm

I sent this proposal but they removed it and said that I breached rules but I don't know what I did wrong. Please can you tell me what's wrong with it and suggest changes.

REALIZING That Passive Smoking Is Proven To Worsen Someone's health

DECIDING That Unwillingly Inhaling Smoke Is Unpleasant

Acknowledging
'Public Transport Station To Be Any Place Where People Wait For Public Transport.'

If This Proposel Is Passed
1. Any Tobacco Product Shall Be Banned In Public Transport Stations Or Stops

2. Advertising Tobacco Products Shall Be Banned In Public Transport Stations.

3. Selling Tobacco Products Shall Be Banned In Public Transport Stations

4. Public Transport Stations Shall Have To Erect No Smoking Notices In Platforms

5. The Establishment Of A Maximum Fine For Using A Tobacco Product In A Transport Station

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Postby Kryozerkia » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:01 pm

It was in the wrong category.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:35 pm

How is that in the wrong category? It was submitted as Recreational Drug Use -> Outlaw, and it bans tobacco (in certain places). It does a few other things, but its main effect doesn't seem horribly out of whack...

Edit: not sniping, genuinely curious.

Eire Ireland wrote:I sent this proposal but they removed it and said that I breached rules but I don't know what I did wrong. Please can you tell me what's wrong with it and suggest changes.


If you'd like comments on your proposal, I'd suggest making a new thread for it, and posting your proposal at the beginning. You can see lots of other people have done similarly in this forum, in the threads marked [DRAFT]. It's also generally a good idea to try to draft a proposal before submitting it.
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Postby Kryozerkia » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:48 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:How is that in the wrong category? It was submitted as Recreational Drug Use -> Outlaw, and it bans tobacco (in certain places). It does a few other things, but its main effect doesn't seem horribly out of whack...

When submitted, it originally only prohibited tobacco use in the public sphere. The category of "Outlaw" requires that the entire product be outlawed, not just its use in public sphere. Due to the restriction rather than the prohibition of this right, it is not in the correct category.
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I'm new to this

Postby Plaidland » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:39 pm

I am new to the wa and I have no clue how or what I am to do. If anyone can help me send me a telegram At pladland. Thank you :)

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:42 am

Kryozerkia wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:How is that in the wrong category? It was submitted as Recreational Drug Use -> Outlaw, and it bans tobacco (in certain places). It does a few other things, but its main effect doesn't seem horribly out of whack...

When submitted, it originally only prohibited tobacco use in the public sphere. The category of "Outlaw" requires that the entire product be outlawed, not just its use in public sphere. Due to the restriction rather than the prohibition of this right, it is not in the correct category.

Really - wow. I honestly didn't understand till now the category was so narrowly defined that a partial or qualified ban is illegal. That's incredibly limiting, and makes an already difficult-to-use category virtually worthless.

Thanks for the explanation.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:32 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Kryozerkia wrote:When submitted, it originally only prohibited tobacco use in the public sphere. The category of "Outlaw" requires that the entire product be outlawed, not just its use in public sphere. Due to the restriction rather than the prohibition of this right, it is not in the correct category.

Really - wow. I honestly didn't understand till now the category was so narrowly defined that a partial or qualified ban is illegal. That's incredibly limiting, and makes an already difficult-to-use category virtually worthless.

Thanks for the explanation.

There are other categories like that (i.e.: Gambling, Gun Control). Unfortunately these are what Max programmed into the game and how the Enodian Accords - when the rules for proposals were laid out - defined the categories.
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Postby Imperium Californium » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:30 pm

Is it possible for me, as a WA nation, to propose a resolution defending research operations vis a vis the current (pending) Zombie Apocalypse. Not just research done to cure the Zombie threat, but also research to cultivate and expand the zombie population? This would cover not only research for the October outbreak, but also the April Outbreak? Imperium Californium feels that no matter what research was conducted, no matter its ultimate goal, research should be protected for the pure sake of research. :twisted: :D

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:55 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:There are other categories like that (i.e.: Gambling, Gun Control). Unfortunately these are what Max programmed into the game and how the Enodian Accords - when the rules for proposals were laid out - defined the categories.


Yes, those three proposals are generally accountable for at least a third of all the Silly/Illegal proposals. I just hadn't appreciated till now how strict the interpretation of their mechanical effects was.

Imperium Californium wrote:Is it possible for me, as a WA nation, to propose a resolution defending research operations vis a vis the current (pending) Zombie Apocalypse. Not just research done to cure the Zombie threat, but also research to cultivate and expand the zombie population? This would cover not only research for the October outbreak, but also the April Outbreak? Imperium Californium feels that no matter what research was conducted, no matter its ultimate goal, research should be protected for the pure sake of research. :twisted: :D


Ugh...

In general, proposals can't reference in game actions, so I doubt a specific reference to the Outbreak would be permitted. A general treatment on zombies might be allowed. I have no idea whether the moderators would allow that or not (though I suspect not) but for the WA players, it might get a bit old. I mean, the Zombie outbreak thing will die off in a few days, but a WA law remains on the books for life.

Maybe you could make it a bit broader than just zombies - infectious disease in general? or, a resolution promoting scientific and medical research? I'm sure a proposal could cleverly hint at such a thing, while actually tackling serious issues.

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Postby Talkistan » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:05 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Maybe you could make it a bit broader than just zombies - infectious disease in general? or, a resolution promoting scientific and medical research? I'm sure a proposal could cleverly hint at such a thing, while actually tackling serious issues.


A general WA policy for "pandemics that alter consciousness and behavior" would probably be legal, internationally relevant and perhaps important enough to legislate. But you would have to see if it is compatible with the existing GAR #53 or not.

My question: Will the behavior of the WA be affected in any way by the zombie invasion? (I don't mean WA nations' behaviors, I mean the WA aspect of the game itself)

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:37 am

Talkistan wrote:My question: Will the behavior of the WA be affected in any way by the zombie invasion? (I don't mean WA nations' behaviors, I mean the WA aspect of the game itself)


Will the brainless and oft-shambling diplomats that populate the WA be bothered by an invasion of brainless, shambling corpses...Not if the Stranger's Bar starts serving raw flesh as a regular meal. It'll be business as usual.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:21 am

Talkistan wrote:My question: Will the behavior of the WA be affected in any way by the zombie invasion? (I don't mean WA nations' behaviors, I mean the WA aspect of the game itself)

No more than it was the last time. So, no.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:54 pm

Per this post and this post:
The proposal rules used to make it clear that: "Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does." While this judgement can be abstracted from the current proposal rules and a link within them, it is no longer explicitly stated. Given there have been at least two recent examples of players being confused about this, should the original language, or something like it, be returned to the proposal rules in explicit form?
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Postby Ardchoille » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:47 am

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Postby The Akashic Records » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:56 pm


Thanks! *leaves plenty of milk and cookies*
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:58 pm

Thanks, Ard, I approve of this change.

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Postby Du Pont » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:50 am

Are there any laws about maritime safety and trade?
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:04 am

Du Pont wrote:Are there any laws about maritime safety and trade?

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Postby Barunia » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:25 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Du Pont wrote:Are there any laws about maritime safety and trade?

Passed GA resolutions: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30

#168: Laws of the Sea springs to mind....
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Postby Rotterwerp » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:00 am

I try to figure out how to do bold. But nothing is happening. What do I do?
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Postby Barunia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:06 am

Rotterwerp wrote:I try to figure out how to do bold. But nothing is happening. What do I do?


Use tags. Using [b*]Text goes here[/b*] without the stars works. Also, when posting a reply, there are two lines of buttons between the subject and the area where you enter the post. The first button will give you the tags, just right what you want bold between them. Somewhere around here there is a formatting guide, but I can't seem to find it.
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Postby Mousebumples » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:15 am

Barunia wrote:
Rotterwerp wrote:I try to figure out how to do bold. But nothing is happening. What do I do?


Use tags. Using [b*]Text goes here[/b*] without the stars works. Also, when posting a reply, there are two lines of buttons between the subject and the area where you enter the post. The first button will give you the tags, just right what you want bold between them. Somewhere around here there is a formatting guide, but I can't seem to find it.

The formatting guide is going to be, I'm guessing, this part of the Technical FAQ in the Technical Forum.
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Repeal but don't fix

Postby Ambystomatica » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:57 pm

Why do we have a rule that prevents us from amending or fixing laws? Since I've joined WA it keeps repealing law after law because is a tiny flaw in the wording. I've yet to see a new proposal after the repeal that fixes the minor flaw. Is the rule designed to ensure that the WA remains dysfunctional?

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Postby Mousebumples » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:36 pm

Ambystomatica wrote:Why do we have a rule that prevents us from amending or fixing laws? Since I've joined WA it keeps repealing law after law because is a tiny flaw in the wording. I've yet to see a new proposal after the repeal that fixes the minor flaw. Is the rule designed to ensure that the WA remains dysfunctional?

Amending is illegal, both per Fris & Ard.

Only the original author of the now-repealed legislation would be able to resubmit the original with aforementioned minor flaws. If a different player writes the replacement, it needs to be wholly different (in wording, at least) so as to avoid getting dinged for plagiarism.
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