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by Serrland » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:16 am
Big Jim P wrote:Fireye wrote:As someone who lives in Chicago: the above is entirely accurate.
And I'd like to point out that the gun was carried, used and likely kept illegally.
It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.
So much for gun control disarming criminals.
by Northern Dominus » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:18 am
As somebody else who lives in Chicago, there is no "just another" gang shooting. And this wasn't some drive-by or standoff, this was somebody whipping out a gun and firing wildly and hitting bystanders.
Yeah, funny thing about that, most of those guns are coming from veritable black market states like Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky and Wisconsin. You know where background checks for transfers of weapons between "private individuals" are laughed at and weapons like shotguns aren't even regulated among other things?Big Jim P wrote:Fireye wrote:As someone who lives in Chicago: the above is entirely accurate.
And I'd like to point out that the gun was carried, used and likely kept illegally.
It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.
So much for gun control disarming criminals.
I was gonna say, I'd bet the Gary/East Chicago hole is probably where the weapon came from...Serrland wrote:Big Jim P wrote:
It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.
So much for gun control disarming criminals.
My suspicion is that the gun will originate in Indiana. They so often are, sadly. Gangs seem to thrive on running them across from that cesspool Gary.
by Serrland » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:26 am
Northern Dominus wrote:I was gonna say, I'd bet the Gary/East Chicago hole is probably where the weapon came from...Serrland wrote:My suspicion is that the gun will originate in Indiana. They so often are, sadly. Gangs seem to thrive on running them across from that cesspool Gary.
You know, if we had neighbors that were making this much trouble for us in the city, wouldn't the city IE the people in charge eventually step in and intercede? Where the hell is the federal government when you need it, because Mike Pence clearly won't do anything and ISP is overtaxed as it is.
by New Octopucta » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:30 am
by Ermarian » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:34 am
Bezombia wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/20/justice/chicago-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2A mass shooting at a Chicago park left a 3-year-old boy in critical condition and returned the spotlight to gun violence in the city with the nation's highest number of homicides.
The child was among 13 people shot in Cornell Square Park on the city's South Side late Thursday night. None of the other victims were listed in critical condition early Friday.
The January shooting death of another child, 15-year-old Hadiya Pendleton, brought national attention to Chicago because the band majorette had performed in Washington at events surrounding President Barack Obama's inauguration in January.
The president invited Pendleton's parents to his State of the Union speech in February. Obama mentioned her in that speech and a few days later when he returned to Chicago, his hometown, for another speech in which he pressed for stricter gun laws.
Police charged two men in Pendleton's death. They said the two were gang members seeking revenge and mistook Pendleton for someone else.
Investigators believe Thursday night's shooting was also gang-related, said Officer Ron Gaines of the Chicago Police Department.
The 3-year-old victim was shot in the ear, and the bullet exited through his mouth, said Officer Ron Gaines of the Chicago Police Department.
The other victims included two 15-year-olds who were listed in stable condition, Gaines said. The remainder were adults ages 21 to 41. Four were in serious condition. The conditions of the others were listed as stable or good. One adult was treated and released from a hospital.
The shooting occurred in Cornell Square Park. Video from CNN affiliate WLS-TV showed police had taped off an outdoor basketball court.
No suspects were in custody late Thursday.
The FBI's annual crime report this week showed Chicago had 500 homicides in 2012, up from 431 in 2011 and more than any other American city. Chicago officials have said homicides this year are below the 2012 pace.
Thirteen wounded, no suspects...
This is how many days after the Washington shooting?
Ugh.
by Cetacea » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:36 am
Big Jim P wrote:Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:The United States is pretty pacifical if compared to my country that is among the 20 most violent since at least the early 1990s and I don't remember it ever being not among the 25 most violent since the point of estimates start in studies.
Yes, but everyone loves ragging on the U.S. Even some of our own people.
by Northern Dominus » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:36 am
And that's my point. If we're not at a crisis point of loophole weapons being purchased and smuggled into the city at this point we're damn close, and since none of the black market states are interested in preventing the deaths of inner city residents and the ATF is chronically under-funded, then clearly the city and state need to take matters into their own hands. How many CPD task forces that are mayoral wet dreams or pet projects can be disbanded for now, or state "special" units?Serrland wrote:Northern Dominus wrote:I was gonna say, I'd bet the Gary/East Chicago hole is probably where the weapon came from...
You know, if we had neighbors that were making this much trouble for us in the city, wouldn't the city IE the people in charge eventually step in and intercede? Where the hell is the federal government when you need it, because Mike Pence clearly won't do anything and ISP is overtaxed as it is.
To be honest, I'd have no problem with there being "checkpoints" at the Illinois-Indiana border. The Skyway is a traffic disaster anyways, you know?
I'm not entirely joking. I have no problems with bringing guns across the border. I myself am a FOID-holding owner of a legal firearm. I just want to make sure others are, too. If you're found in possession of a firearm you cannot legally carry when crossing into Illinois, it should be confiscated and the proper legal measures taken against the owner/possessor of that weapon.
by Starkiller101 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:37 am
by New Octopucta » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:38 am
Cetacea wrote:Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world
or
poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:40 am
by Big Jim P » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:41 am
Northern Dominus wrote:Yeah, funny thing about that, most of those guns are coming from veritable black market states like Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky and Wisconsin. You know where background checks for transfers of weapons between "private individuals" are laughed at and weapons like shotguns aren't even regulated among other things?Big Jim P wrote:
It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.
So much for gun control disarming criminals.
Now one way to control that is by making every single major road into Illinois from those states a one-toll only road with a checkpoint and searching suspicious vehicles as they get to the tolls..
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:42 am
New Octopucta wrote:Cetacea wrote:Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world
or
poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war
Are you seriously saying that applying gun control turns 1st world countries into 3rd world ones? Because the British want to have a word with you if that's the case.
by Ayreonia » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:43 am
Big Jim P wrote:Fireye wrote:As someone who lives in Chicago: the above is entirely accurate.
And I'd like to point out that the gun was carried, used and likely kept illegally.
It was almost guaranteed to have been Kept and carried illegally, and certainly was used so.
So much for gun control disarming criminals.
by Northern Dominus » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:44 am
You mean like closing the gun show loophole? Yeah, good luck with that, maybe if you shut Wayne LaPierre and the rest of the Cult of the Gun up for the duration and let the adults work out some reasonable and universal firearms regulation, but that's not going to happen. Because unfortunately the wingnuts have more than a few pet politicians, and the rest of us are going to pay for that influence in blood until something drastic changes.Big Jim P wrote:Northern Dominus wrote:Yeah, funny thing about that, most of those guns are coming from veritable black market states like Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky and Wisconsin. You know where background checks for transfers of weapons between "private individuals" are laughed at and weapons like shotguns aren't even regulated among other things?
Now one way to control that is by making every single major road into Illinois from those states a one-toll only road with a checkpoint and searching suspicious vehicles as they get to the tolls..
Or enact reasonable gun measures that work to keep every other place in America safer than Chicago.
by Cetacea » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:44 am
New Octopucta wrote:Cetacea wrote:Richest Nation on earth, Leader of the Free world
or
poverty stricken hellhole with as much violence as 3rd world countries in the midst of civil war
Are you seriously saying that applying gun control turns 1st world countries into 3rd world ones? Because the British want to have a word with you if that's the case.
by The Serbian Empire » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:45 am
by Serrland » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:45 am
Northern Dominus wrote:And that's my point. If we're not at a crisis point of loophole weapons being purchased and smuggled into the city at this point we're damn close, and since none of the black market states are interested in preventing the deaths of inner city residents and the ATF is chronically under-funded, then clearly the city and state need to take matters into their own hands. How many CPD task forces that are mayoral wet dreams or pet projects can be disbanded for now, or state "special" units?Serrland wrote:
To be honest, I'd have no problem with there being "checkpoints" at the Illinois-Indiana border. The Skyway is a traffic disaster anyways, you know?
I'm not entirely joking. I have no problems with bringing guns across the border. I myself am a FOID-holding owner of a legal firearm. I just want to make sure others are, too. If you're found in possession of a firearm you cannot legally carry when crossing into Illinois, it should be confiscated and the proper legal measures taken against the owner/possessor of that weapon.
I mean shit, this is our city in our state, and I dunno about you but I'm sick and tired of other people helping to dig a channel for that awful river of blood, and you have to think some ISP and CPD officers are just as sick and tired if not more so.
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:48 am
Cetacea wrote:New Octopucta wrote:Are you seriously saying that applying gun control turns 1st world countries into 3rd world ones? Because the British want to have a word with you if that's the case.
whaaa? no I was posing a question as to how we should be viewing the US given its violence problem - of the worlds 50 cities with the highest murder rates, the US appears 4 times (5 if you include San Juan).
by The Serbian Empire » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:50 am
by Corrian » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:52 am
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:52 am
The Serbian Empire wrote:Ayreonia wrote:Well, your gun rights aren't exactly keeping the people safe, either.
The criminals will keep doing what they're doing unless one were to subjugate organized criminal groups. Nothing short of legalizing all the drugs would destroy the criminal enterprises as they are left without most of their funds.
by The Serbian Empire » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:54 am
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:The criminals will keep doing what they're doing unless one were to subjugate organized criminal groups. Nothing short of legalizing all the drugs would destroy the criminal enterprises as they are left without most of their funds.
I wonder why this is received with still so much opposition and skepticism.
It is people's choices to do what they want their own bodies.
by Northern Dominus » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:54 am
At the very least it would stem the flow long enough for the CPD and ISP to crack down on the assholes storing them in the city proper. Plus you're right, with the snarls we get during the summer it's not like the flow of traffic will be any more impeded than it already is.Serrland wrote:Northern Dominus wrote:And that's my point. If we're not at a crisis point of loophole weapons being purchased and smuggled into the city at this point we're damn close, and since none of the black market states are interested in preventing the deaths of inner city residents and the ATF is chronically under-funded, then clearly the city and state need to take matters into their own hands. How many CPD task forces that are mayoral wet dreams or pet projects can be disbanded for now, or state "special" units?
I mean shit, this is our city in our state, and I dunno about you but I'm sick and tired of other people helping to dig a channel for that awful river of blood, and you have to think some ISP and CPD officers are just as sick and tired if not more so.
I mean, every so often someone mentions the governor calling up the national guard to police some of the neighborhoods most plagued by gun violence. That isn't what is going to stop it. A couple hundred national guard folks on the Indiana border might around the Hammond/Munster/Calumet City area might. Declare the firearm, show proper paperwork, and be on your way. An inconvenience, yes, but if it can save even one innocent life it is worth it. What is an extra few minutes out of your day compared to a life?
by Ayreonia » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:54 am
The Serbian Empire wrote:Ayreonia wrote:Well, your gun rights aren't exactly keeping the people safe, either.
The criminals will keep doing what they're doing unless one were to subjugate organized criminal groups. Nothing short of legalizing all the drugs would destroy the criminal enterprises as they are left without most of their funds.
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