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Belmaria
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Postby Belmaria » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:35 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Belmaria wrote:Would you then say that the British Rail System is still in poor shape today?

Worse. Blair should had nationalised as soon he got in office, but Labour always lie to get in office. Ticket prices are insane. It costs me £5 to get into London on a train ticket. Some people spend 1/3 of their annual incomes on annual tickets. I heard one guy spent 1/2 his income on that. Infrastructure never gets upgraded either and railway companies receive subsidiaries that they almost seem to do nothing with. This is from someone who supports utilities privatisation; railway privatisation was a bad idea. Period.

What would you say to having public rail infrastructure but using privately owned trains on it?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:38 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Worse. Blair should had nationalised as soon he got in office, but Labour always lie to get in office. Ticket prices are insane. It costs me £5 to get into London on a train ticket. Some people spend 1/3 of their annual incomes on annual tickets. I heard one guy spent 1/2 his income on that. Infrastructure never gets upgraded either and railway companies receive subsidiaries that they almost seem to do nothing with. This is from someone who supports utilities privatisation; railway privatisation was a bad idea. Period.

What would you say to having public rail infrastructure but using privately owned trains on it?

I think Labour partially did that when Railtrack became Network Rail. It didn't work at all. Fees kept rising.
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Postby Belmaria » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:39 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Belmaria wrote:What would you say to having public rail infrastructure but using privately owned trains on it?

I think Labour partially did that when Railtrack became Network Rail. It didn't work at all. Fees kept rising.

I will have to investigate this. I suspect the main problem is monopoly. If these companies had to compete, they would have lower prices. How are the anti-collusion laws in Britain?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:43 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I think Labour partially did that when Railtrack became Network Rail. It didn't work at all. Fees kept rising.

I will have to investigate this. I suspect the main problem is monopoly. If these companies had to compete, they would have lower prices. How are the anti-collusion laws in Britain?

The problem was that there were actually too many companies. Railway ownership of different assets kept on changing. For instance, in the earlier years of my life, Connex used to run the South East line, which was the main line in my area. Then Connex failed some standards and it passed onto another company, then they failed as well and some other company owns it and calls it Southeastern now. Ownership changes way too often so companies don't bother with infrastructure and instead chooses to make a cheap buck by charging insanely high fees whilst providing terrible service. On the other end of the stick, a lack of competition would be just as bad.

EDIT: Heck, there's a film about it called The Navigators, that could explain it better to you then me.

EDIT II: Northern Ireland tends to be the backwater of the United Kingdom, but it has the most successful railway that has won more awards than most others. Why? It didn't get privatised. Lucky them.
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Postby NSG Senate Administrators » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:13 am

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Postby Glasgia » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:20 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Aurentine Traffic Code
Authors: New Zepuha [IND], Costa Algeria [LD] [ | Sponsors: Geilinor [LD], Nihilistic View [NLP], Ainin [TR], Fulflood [LD],Waldmania [NCP] | Urgency: Moderate | SIMBEDS Category: Order




Section 1. Purpose of the bill -
in recent days it has become clear at the continued escape of Mafia members, and the number of traffic accidents and inconveniences have risen. Noting that our country lacks a formal traffic code, this bill aims to service the basic needs of the motorist public.

Section 2. Establishment of road standards and Vehicle operations -


  • Stop signs will be placed at intersections deemed to be needing extra precaution, vehicles must make a full stop at the sign before continuing on. A rolling stop is not acceptable.
  • Traffic signals will be placed at major intersections that bear high amounts of traffic at a minimum of 3,000 vehicles a day. Lights will be posted facing each road coming into the intersection. A red signal will indicate all vehicles advancing towards it must stop. A yellow light will indicate you must prepare to stop, but not fully. Green will indicate that it is safe to proceed.
  • Official speed limits will be determined by local municipal governments, on thoroughfares/highway/freeway/motorway speed limits will be determined by the Ministry of Transportation. These limits must be posted on clearly visible signs bearing a standard black lettering on white background. They are required to be obeyed by all motorists.
  • Painted lines will indicate the ability to pass the vehicle in front of you. A dashed line will indicate the ability to pass, a solid line will bar passing. These lines will be determined by local governments or the Ministry of Transportation.
  • Clearly visible traffic signs will be required to indicate hazards approaching.
  • Pedestrian crossing zones should be established wherever a foot path is interrupted by a road. Marked by 'zebra crossings' and clear indicators to warn drivers to stop for pedestrians.
  • On roundabouts (traffic circles), vehicles already on the roundabout (coming from your right) have priority over those entering it

    Sub-Section A Speed Limits -


    Motorways: 130km/h.
    Dual Carriageways: 110km/h
    Normal Country Roads: 100km/h on open stretches. Municipalities may choose appropriate speed reductions through towns and villages.
    City Roads: 50-80km/h depending on location.
    Roadworks: 30km/h

    Vehicle Specific:
    Car/SUV/Van/etc. Towing Trailer: 80km/h
    Truck/Bus: 90km/h

    A note on the disabled - Special harnesses and belts are also available for the disabled. All belts, seats, harnesses and restraints must be correctly fitted and adjusted, without which they may be useless. These are available free of charge at any local police station.

  • All traffic must yield to vehicles turning from or turning to the right at intersections.
  • Flashing indicators are required to be used to indicate the direction in which a driver intends to turn.
  • When all indicators are flashing this will signify an emergency or vehicle malfunction has occurred.
  • When emergency lights or sirens are flashing and being broadcasted behind a vehicle, the vehicle is obligated to pull to the shoulder on the side of the road.
  • All large trucks such as transporters should remain in the innermost lanes.
  • Drivers should stop at all marked pedestrian crossing zones.
  • For all adults the wearing of front and rear seat belts is compulsory and the driver is responsible for ensuring children under 14 use the correct seat belts or child restraints.
  • General traffic is prohibited from any marked lanes marked for other vehicles such as buses.
  • Parking areas clearly marked for emergency vehicles only must be obeyed.
  • Always approach pedestrian crossings with caution and don’t park or overtake another vehicle on the approach to a crossing, marked by a double line of studs or zigzag lines.
  • Slow moving vehicles such as tractors or caravans should pull over and let vehicles pass when at least 5 vehicles are following it.
  • Motorists must indicate before overtaking/passing and when moving back into an inside lane after overtaking.
  • You must make a full stop at marked railway crossings, and may not drive under barriers or around them.
  • Drive slowly near schools and be wary of children getting on or off buses.
  • If you need spectacles or contact lenses to read a number plate 79.4mm high at a distance of 20.5m (67ft) in good daylight, then you must always wear them when motoring. It’s advisable to carry a spare pair of glasses or contact lenses in your car.

Section 3. Traffic Infractions -


Failure to stop at a marked intersection - Failure to stop where a stop sign is posted or rolling slowly through the intersection. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £20 fine.
Failure to stop for an emergency vehicle - Not pulling to the side when emergency lights and sirens are being run behind a vehicle. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £55 fine.
Failure to signal - Not using a vehicle's indicators to indicate a turn. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £18 fine.
Speeding/Disobeying posted speed limit - Failure to maintain a speed below or at the posted limit. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £125, progressive in £25 increments for every 2km over the speed limit.
Passing in a no passing zone - Passing a vehicle in an area marked by a solid line. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £12 fine.
Reckless/Dangerous Driving - An act causing damage, possibly causing damage to other motorists or the general public or property. This is a delict and is punishable of up to a 1 year prison sentence and or a fine of £2,000 plus damages caused.
Road Rage - The act of aggressive driving that could intimidate, harass, or cause bodily harm to other motorists. This is a delict and is punishable of up to a 6 month prison sentence and or a £500 fine.
Traffic Hazard - An action causing a vehicle to be a hazard to other motorists, such as traveling at an excessively slow speed. This slow speed being 15 km under the posted limit. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £40 fine.
Unsafe operation of a motor-vehicle - Any act that could distract a driver from the task of driving or minimize their ability to perform; acts such as, operating a mobile device without a proper hands free mount. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £50 fine. If the case goes to court, you could risk a maximum fine of £1,000, which rises to £2,500 for the driver of a bus, coach, or heavy goods vehicle
Failure to wear safety belt - When a motorist or passengers are not wearing proper safety belts, the driver receives the fine in any case. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £65 fine.
Improper parking - Parking in a dangerous area, or an area deemed off limits, or a marked emergency vehicle only area. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £50 fine.
Running a railway crossing - The act of going around, through, or over a railway crossing without making a full stop, or ignoring flashing warning lights. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £50 fine.

Any of these crimes committed in a marked school zone adds the possibility of an added £30 onto the issued fine.

Section 4. Authority to enforce -

Authority to enforce each of the above infractions will be placed on the constabulary and will require that each municipality maintain at least one officer dedicated to traffic safety and enforcement. The Ministry of Transportation is given authority to dictate new standards via legislation and place the above markers on roads they deem fit.


Hereby passed the ATC into law.

This has enough support to be added to Order.


What side of the road do we drive on?

Wolfmanne wrote:
Belmaria wrote:I will have to investigate this. I suspect the main problem is monopoly. If these companies had to compete, they would have lower prices. How are the anti-collusion laws in Britain?

The problem was that there were actually too many companies. Railway ownership of different assets kept on changing. For instance, in the earlier years of my life, Connex used to run the South East line, which was the main line in my area. Then Connex failed some standards and it passed onto another company, then they failed as well and some other company owns it and calls it Southeastern now. Ownership changes way too often so companies don't bother with infrastructure and instead chooses to make a cheap buck by charging insanely high fees whilst providing terrible service. On the other end of the stick, a lack of competition would be just as bad.

EDIT: Heck, there's a film about it called The Navigators, that could explain it better to you then me.

EDIT II: Northern Ireland tends to be the backwater of the United Kingdom, but it has the most successful railway that has won more awards than most others. Why? It didn't get privatised. Lucky them.


Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Postby Fulflood » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:23 am

Wolfmanne wrote:
Belmaria wrote:I will have to investigate this. I suspect the main problem is monopoly. If these companies had to compete, they would have lower prices. How are the anti-collusion laws in Britain?

The problem was that there were actually too many companies. Railway ownership of different assets kept on changing. For instance, in the earlier years of my life, Connex used to run the South East line, which was the main line in my area. Then Connex failed some standards and it passed onto another company, then they failed as well and some other company owns it and calls it Southeastern now. Ownership changes way too often so companies don't bother with infrastructure and instead chooses to make a cheap buck by charging insanely high fees whilst providing terrible service. On the other end of the stick, a lack of competition would be just as bad.

Never mind the fact that for one unprofitable franchise, no-one wants to bid and they have to be renationalised.

Also, the idea that you can bring competition is laughable; from my nearest major station there is only one way to get to London, with one company operating, and only one way to get to Bristol, again with one company operating. This is due to the fact that it's prohibitively expensive and inefficient to have anything but regional monopolies.
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Postby New Zepuha » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:45 pm

Glasgia wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:
Aurentine Traffic Code
Authors: New Zepuha [IND], Costa Algeria [LD] [ | Sponsors: Geilinor [LD], Nihilistic View [NLP], Ainin [TR], Fulflood [LD],Waldmania [NCP] | Urgency: Moderate | SIMBEDS Category: Order




Section 1. Purpose of the bill -
in recent days it has become clear at the continued escape of Mafia members, and the number of traffic accidents and inconveniences have risen. Noting that our country lacks a formal traffic code, this bill aims to service the basic needs of the motorist public.

Section 2. Establishment of road standards and Vehicle operations -


  • Stop signs will be placed at intersections deemed to be needing extra precaution, vehicles must make a full stop at the sign before continuing on. A rolling stop is not acceptable.
  • Traffic signals will be placed at major intersections that bear high amounts of traffic at a minimum of 3,000 vehicles a day. Lights will be posted facing each road coming into the intersection. A red signal will indicate all vehicles advancing towards it must stop. A yellow light will indicate you must prepare to stop, but not fully. Green will indicate that it is safe to proceed.
  • Official speed limits will be determined by local municipal governments, on thoroughfares/highway/freeway/motorway speed limits will be determined by the Ministry of Transportation. These limits must be posted on clearly visible signs bearing a standard black lettering on white background. They are required to be obeyed by all motorists.
  • Painted lines will indicate the ability to pass the vehicle in front of you. A dashed line will indicate the ability to pass, a solid line will bar passing. These lines will be determined by local governments or the Ministry of Transportation.
  • Clearly visible traffic signs will be required to indicate hazards approaching.
  • Pedestrian crossing zones should be established wherever a foot path is interrupted by a road. Marked by 'zebra crossings' and clear indicators to warn drivers to stop for pedestrians.
  • On roundabouts (traffic circles), vehicles already on the roundabout (coming from your right) have priority over those entering it

    Sub-Section A Speed Limits -


    Motorways: 130km/h.
    Dual Carriageways: 110km/h
    Normal Country Roads: 100km/h on open stretches. Municipalities may choose appropriate speed reductions through towns and villages.
    City Roads: 50-80km/h depending on location.
    Roadworks: 30km/h

    Vehicle Specific:
    Car/SUV/Van/etc. Towing Trailer: 80km/h
    Truck/Bus: 90km/h

    A note on the disabled - Special harnesses and belts are also available for the disabled. All belts, seats, harnesses and restraints must be correctly fitted and adjusted, without which they may be useless. These are available free of charge at any local police station.

  • All traffic must yield to vehicles turning from or turning to the right at intersections.
  • Flashing indicators are required to be used to indicate the direction in which a driver intends to turn.
  • When all indicators are flashing this will signify an emergency or vehicle malfunction has occurred.
  • When emergency lights or sirens are flashing and being broadcasted behind a vehicle, the vehicle is obligated to pull to the shoulder on the side of the road.
  • All large trucks such as transporters should remain in the innermost lanes.
  • Drivers should stop at all marked pedestrian crossing zones.
  • For all adults the wearing of front and rear seat belts is compulsory and the driver is responsible for ensuring children under 14 use the correct seat belts or child restraints.
  • General traffic is prohibited from any marked lanes marked for other vehicles such as buses.
  • Parking areas clearly marked for emergency vehicles only must be obeyed.
  • Always approach pedestrian crossings with caution and don’t park or overtake another vehicle on the approach to a crossing, marked by a double line of studs or zigzag lines.
  • Slow moving vehicles such as tractors or caravans should pull over and let vehicles pass when at least 5 vehicles are following it.
  • Motorists must indicate before overtaking/passing and when moving back into an inside lane after overtaking.
  • You must make a full stop at marked railway crossings, and may not drive under barriers or around them.
  • Drive slowly near schools and be wary of children getting on or off buses.
  • If you need spectacles or contact lenses to read a number plate 79.4mm high at a distance of 20.5m (67ft) in good daylight, then you must always wear them when motoring. It’s advisable to carry a spare pair of glasses or contact lenses in your car.

Section 3. Traffic Infractions -


Failure to stop at a marked intersection - Failure to stop where a stop sign is posted or rolling slowly through the intersection. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £20 fine.
Failure to stop for an emergency vehicle - Not pulling to the side when emergency lights and sirens are being run behind a vehicle. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £55 fine.
Failure to signal - Not using a vehicle's indicators to indicate a turn. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £18 fine.
Speeding/Disobeying posted speed limit - Failure to maintain a speed below or at the posted limit. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £125, progressive in £25 increments for every 2km over the speed limit.
Passing in a no passing zone - Passing a vehicle in an area marked by a solid line. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £12 fine.
Reckless/Dangerous Driving - An act causing damage, possibly causing damage to other motorists or the general public or property. This is a delict and is punishable of up to a 1 year prison sentence and or a fine of £2,000 plus damages caused.
Road Rage - The act of aggressive driving that could intimidate, harass, or cause bodily harm to other motorists. This is a delict and is punishable of up to a 6 month prison sentence and or a £500 fine.
Traffic Hazard - An action causing a vehicle to be a hazard to other motorists, such as traveling at an excessively slow speed. This slow speed being 15 km under the posted limit. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £40 fine.
Unsafe operation of a motor-vehicle - Any act that could distract a driver from the task of driving or minimize their ability to perform; acts such as, operating a mobile device without a proper hands free mount. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £50 fine. If the case goes to court, you could risk a maximum fine of £1,000, which rises to £2,500 for the driver of a bus, coach, or heavy goods vehicle
Failure to wear safety belt - When a motorist or passengers are not wearing proper safety belts, the driver receives the fine in any case. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £65 fine.
Improper parking - Parking in a dangerous area, or an area deemed off limits, or a marked emergency vehicle only area. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £50 fine.
Running a railway crossing - The act of going around, through, or over a railway crossing without making a full stop, or ignoring flashing warning lights. This is a contravention and is punishable of up to a £50 fine.

Any of these crimes committed in a marked school zone adds the possibility of an added £30 onto the issued fine.

Section 4. Authority to enforce -

Authority to enforce each of the above infractions will be placed on the constabulary and will require that each municipality maintain at least one officer dedicated to traffic safety and enforcement. The Ministry of Transportation is given authority to dictate new standards via legislation and place the above markers on roads they deem fit.


Hereby passed the ATC into law.

This has enough support to be added to Order.


What side of the road do we drive on?

Wolfmanne wrote:The problem was that there were actually too many companies. Railway ownership of different assets kept on changing. For instance, in the earlier years of my life, Connex used to run the South East line, which was the main line in my area. Then Connex failed some standards and it passed onto another company, then they failed as well and some other company owns it and calls it Southeastern now. Ownership changes way too often so companies don't bother with infrastructure and instead chooses to make a cheap buck by charging insanely high fees whilst providing terrible service. On the other end of the stick, a lack of competition would be just as bad.

EDIT: Heck, there's a film about it called The Navigators, that could explain it better to you then me.

EDIT II: Northern Ireland tends to be the backwater of the United Kingdom, but it has the most successful railway that has won more awards than most others. Why? It didn't get privatised. Lucky them.


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Postby Glasgia » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:15 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
Glasgia wrote:


What side of the road do we drive on?



Couldn't have put it better myself.

The left, jut like the UK.


Good, just wanted to check. Maybe add a clause in there, or is it already established elsewhere?
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:27 pm

I motion to have this added to the queue in an omnibus with the Aurentine Traffic Code:

National Motor Vehicle Licencing and Registration Act
Category: Domestic Devlopment
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (LD)
Co-Sponsors: Oranje Vrijastaat (MRP), Maklohi Vai (LD), The Licentian Isles (LD), New Zephua (Ind.)
Urgency: Moderate


RECOGNISING: That Aurentina lacks a codified set of regulations concerning the licencing of motor vehicle operators and the registration of motor vehicles that have been sold or imported into Aurentina.

NOTING: That a “Motor Vehicles Registry” has been created under Article 2b of the Transportation Ministry Provision Act, but no government policy pertaining to the registration of motor vehicles has been enacted.

ALARMED: That there is the potential for illicit industries to flourish on the sale and distribution of stolen motor vehicles as well as the potential for serious injury and death resulting from unlicenced drivers on the roads of Aurentina.

HEREBY: Reinforces the powers of the Ministry of Transport as well as outlining the requirements for registering a motor vehicle, regulations surrounding registration plates, both Aurentine and foreign, as well as the licencing of motor vehicle operators.

ALSO LEGISLATES: The appropriate punishments and fines for violating laws pertaining to the registration of a motor vehicle and the licencing of its operator as well as the fees, taxes and other potential revenue associated with the registration of motor vehicles and the licencing of their operators.

Article 1: On Motor Vehicle Registration
Article 1a: Hereby mandates that it is mandatory for all motor vehicles that are in regular use on public roads in Aurentina to be registered to the Motor Vehicles Registry.
Article 1b: Exemptions are the following:
Motor vehicles that were registered in another country that are in Aurentina temporarily.
Motor vehicles that are in use on private land and are not used on public roads.
Article 1c: Delcares that owners of vehicles with foreign registrations may have their vehicle/s plates registered in the Motor Vehicles Registry if said licence plate has a code that is compatible with the registry system.
Article 1d: Mandates that all vehicles in Aurentina who are listed on the Motor Vehicles Registry carry Aurentine standard licence plates.
Article 1e: Exemptions are as stated in Article 1b with the following exemption of motor vehicles with foreign registration that is compatible with the registry system.
Article 1f: Hereby outlines the parameters of standard Aurentine licence plates as the following:
  • The plate shall be 50 centimetres long and 15 centimetres wide.
  • It shall have a black border with a yellow background and black numbers and characters.
  • The standard code shall be “AU AANNNN 0N”. Any code which deviates from this basic format shall be deemed illegal.

Article 1g: Hereby mandates that all Aurentine registered vehicles shall have a valid registration for one year for all vehicles under 10 years since the date of registration. All vehicles over 10 years shall have a valid registration for six months. A standard registration renewall fee of 65 pounds shall be levied for all registered vehicles.
Article 1h: Mandates that it shall be illegal for registered vehicles to be on public roads without valid registrations.
Article 1i: Vehicles with personalised registrations approved by the government are exempt from the above Article.
Article 1j: The punishment for driving an unregistered vehicle shall be a fine of no more than 500 pounds.

Article 2: On Operators Licence and Vehicle Classes
Article 2a: It shall be mandatory for all motor vehicles in use on public roads to be operated by a licenced individual who has a valid licence for the operation of a specific class of vehicle.
Article 2b: Exempts operators of vehicles on private land only from this clause.
Article 2c: Vehicle classes are defined as the following:
  • Motorcycle: Any motor vehicle with an open body and two or three wheels that is operated by handlebars.
  • Quadricycle: Any motor vehicle that has an open body and four wheels that is operated either by handlebars or a steering wheel and can carry two passengers.
  • Car: Any motor vehicle that has an enclosed cabin area, three to four wheels and carries less than 10 passengers or weighs less than 5 tons.
  • Truck: Any cargo carrying vehicle with an open or an enclosed cabin that weighs more than 5 tons and has four or more wheels.
  • Bus: Any vehicle with an enclosed cabin that weighs more than 5 tons and carries more than 10 passengers and has more than four wheels.

Article 2d: Vehicle licence classes are the following:
  • Motorcycle: This licence applies to the operation of motor vehicles classified as motorcycles and quadricycles with more than 35 horsepower.
  • General: This licence applies to all motor vehicles that are classified as cars.
  • Commerical A: This applies to all motor vehicles that are classified as trucks.
  • Commercial B: This applies to all motor vehicles that are classified as buses.
  • Emergency: This applies to all motor vehicles operation with emergency services. The operator must also have the required non-emergency licence also.
  • Military: This applies to all motor vehicles in operation with the defence forces.

Article 2e: Drivers who have one of the above licence classes may obtain another licence from a recognised licenced school at full cost.

Article 3: On Operator Licence Testing, Regulations and Laws
Article 3a: All drivers of motor vehicles on public are required to have their licence with them at all times.
Article 3b: Failure to follow this rule may incur a 150 pound fine.
Article 3c: Exemptions from the requirement stipulated in Article 3a are vehicles operating on pirvate land.
Article 3d: Hereby mandates that driving tests are mandatory. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads without a licence will incur a 150 pound fine.
Article 3e: The minimum age for which a person may apply for a driving licence is 16.
Article 3f: Further adds to Article 3d by outlining the three basic licence catgeories: Student, Restricted and Full.
Article 3g: Defines the licence categories as the following:
  • Student: The most basic licence for those who have passed the Basic Aptitude Test (BAT). It enables student drivers to learn to drive whilst supervised.
  • Restricted: The second-tier licence which enables the driver to drive without supervision.
  • Full: The third-tier licence which enables the driver to carry passengers of any age and relation at any time.
Article 3h Defines the Basic Aptitude Test (BAT):
  • Drivers are required to study the Aurentine Road Code which outlines the basic road rules of Aurentina. They will answer a set of multi-choice questions on different rules and regulations as well as other observational questions.
  • Drivers are to also have their sight examined. Driver's may be required to have an additional eye test or an endorsement from their optician.
  • Drivers must also fill out an application form stating their name, home address, phone number, date of birth and any medical conditions that may affect their ability to drive.
Article 3i: A charge of 75 pounds is applied to the BAT.
Article 3j: Both the Student and Restricted licence categories are to have restrictions.
Article 3k: Defines the restrictions for Student licences:
  • Student drivers must have 150 hours of supervised driving before being eligible for a Restricted licence. This must include 30 hours of driving at night and 30 hours of driving in poor weather conditions.
  • Supervisors must have a full licence that was issued at least three years before.
  • Student drivers may not have any of electronic entertainment features activated in the car when they drive, such as the radio.
  • Student drivers must display “S” plates on their vehicle at all times.
  • “S” plates must be yellow with a black border and black letters and must be placed at the top left corner of the windscreen and top right corner of the rear window.
  • Student drivers may drive with passengers as long as they are supervisors.
Article 3l: Defines restrictions for Restricted licences:
  • Restricted drivers may drive unsupervised.
  • Restricted drivers may also drive with passengers. These may be their husband/wife/partner or any immediate family relation that has a full licence for three years.
  • Conditions may be allowed for drivers to have children as passengers. These children must be directly related to the driver.
  • Restricted drivers must have an additional 150 hours supervised driving from a licenced driving instructor and must take an 18 month course in car control at a licenced driving school.
  • Restricted drivers may not drive between the hours of 11pm and 6am.
Article 3m: Mandates that drivers over the age of 75 must undergo a licence renewal and fitness test every five years at no charge.
Article 3n: Outlines the parameters of an Aurentine driver's licence:
Front:
  • Picture of the licence holder
  • Name of the licence holder
  • Address
  • Date of Birth
  • Licence serial number
  • Licence expiry date
Reverse:
  • Driving conditions: Whether or not the driver is able to drive an automatic gearbox only, if they have to wear glasses/spectacles etc.
  • Medical conditions
  • Organ donor approval
  • Licence holder's signature.
Article 3o: All Aurentine driver's licences must have a microchip installed for the purposes of fighting forgery. This microchip may not contain any extra information on the licence holder and is expressly used for determining the validity of the licence.
Article 3p: Driving with an expired licence is illegal. A fine of 150 pounds may be incurred.

Article 4: On Licence Suspension and Removal
Article 4a: Hereby sets up a system of De-Merit Points for vehicle licences.
Article 4b: Defines the points for the following laws in the Aurentine Traffic Code:
  • Failure to Stop at a Marked Intersection: 10 points.
  • Failure to Stop for an Emergency Vehicle: 5 points.
  • Failure to Signal: Two points.
  • Speeding/Disobeying Posted Speed Limit: 10 points plus a further 1 point for every 1km/h over the posted speed limit. Drivers who automatically exceed the limit of De-Merit Points will have their licence suspended for six months.
  • Passing on a Solid Line: 5 points.
  • Reckless/Dangerous Driving: 20 points or an automatic licence suspension for 18 months.
  • Road Rage: 20 points or an automatic licence suspension for 12 months.
  • Creating a Hazard: 10 points.
  • Unsafe Operation: 15 points.
  • Failure to Wear a Seatbelt: 10 points.
  • Improper Parking: 5 points.
  • Failure to Stop at a Crossing: 10-20 points.

Article 4c: The limit of De-Merit Points that any one can accumulate is 35.
Article 4d: Drivers who surpass the point limit will incur an automatic licence suspension for three months.
Article 4e: Drivers who have their licence suspended four times may have their licence removed from them indefinitely.
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Costa Alegria wrote:I motion to have this added to the queue in an omnibus with the Aurentine Traffic Code:

National Motor Vehicle Licencing and Registration Act
Category: Domestic Devlopment
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (LD)
Co-Sponsors: Oranje Vrijastaat (MRP), Maklohi Vai (LD), The Licentian Isles (LD), New Zephua (Ind.)
Urgency: Moderate


RECOGNISING: That Aurentina lacks a codified set of regulations concerning the licencing of motor vehicle operators and the registration of motor vehicles that have been sold or imported into Aurentina.

NOTING: That a “Motor Vehicles Registry” has been created under Article 2b of the Transportation Ministry Provision Act, but no government policy pertaining to the registration of motor vehicles has been enacted.

ALARMED: That there is the potential for illicit industries to flourish on the sale and distribution of stolen motor vehicles as well as the potential for serious injury and death resulting from unlicenced drivers on the roads of Aurentina.

HEREBY: Reinforces the powers of the Ministry of Transport as well as outlining the requirements for registering a motor vehicle, regulations surrounding registration plates, both Aurentine and foreign, as well as the licencing of motor vehicle operators.

ALSO LEGISLATES: The appropriate punishments and fines for violating laws pertaining to the registration of a motor vehicle and the licencing of its operator as well as the fees, taxes and other potential revenue associated with the registration of motor vehicles and the licencing of their operators.

Article 1: On Motor Vehicle Registration
Article 1a: Hereby mandates that it is mandatory for all motor vehicles that are in regular use on public roads in Aurentina to be registered to the Motor Vehicles Registry.
Article 1b: Exemptions are the following:
Motor vehicles that were registered in another country that are in Aurentina temporarily.
Motor vehicles that are in use on private land and are not used on public roads.
Article 1c: Delcares that owners of vehicles with foreign registrations may have their vehicle/s plates registered in the Motor Vehicles Registry if said licence plate has a code that is compatible with the registry system.
Article 1d: Mandates that all vehicles in Aurentina who are listed on the Motor Vehicles Registry carry Aurentine standard licence plates.
Article 1e: Exemptions are as stated in Article 1b with the following exemption of motor vehicles with foreign registration that is compatible with the registry system.
Article 1f: Hereby outlines the parameters of standard Aurentine licence plates as the following:
  • The plate shall be 50 centimetres long and 15 centimetres wide.
  • It shall have a black border with a yellow background and black numbers and characters.
  • The standard code shall be “AU AANNNN 0N”. Any code which deviates from this basic format shall be deemed illegal.

Article 1g: Hereby mandates that all Aurentine registered vehicles shall have a valid registration for one year for all vehicles under 10 years since the date of registration. All vehicles over 10 years shall have a valid registration for six months. A standard registration renewall fee of 65 pounds shall be levied for all registered vehicles.
Article 1h: Mandates that it shall be illegal for registered vehicles to be on public roads without valid registrations.
Article 1i: Vehicles with personalised registrations approved by the government are exempt from the above Article.
Article 1j: The punishment for driving an unregistered vehicle shall be a fine of no more than 500 pounds.

Article 2: On Operators Licence and Vehicle Classes
Article 2a: It shall be mandatory for all motor vehicles in use on public roads to be operated by a licenced individual who has a valid licence for the operation of a specific class of vehicle.
Article 2b: Exempts operators of vehicles on private land only from this clause.
Article 2c: Vehicle classes are defined as the following:
  • Motorcycle: Any motor vehicle with an open body and two or three wheels that is operated by handlebars.
  • Quadricycle: Any motor vehicle that has an open body and four wheels that is operated either by handlebars or a steering wheel and can carry two passengers.
  • Car: Any motor vehicle that has an enclosed cabin area, three to four wheels and carries less than 10 passengers or weighs less than 5 tons.
  • Truck: Any cargo carrying vehicle with an open or an enclosed cabin that weighs more than 5 tons and has four or more wheels.
  • Bus: Any vehicle with an enclosed cabin that weighs more than 5 tons and carries more than 10 passengers and has more than four wheels.

Article 2d: Vehicle licence classes are the following:
  • Motorcycle: This licence applies to the operation of motor vehicles classified as motorcycles and quadricycles with more than 35 horsepower.
  • General: This licence applies to all motor vehicles that are classified as cars.
  • Commerical A: This applies to all motor vehicles that are classified as trucks.
  • Commercial B: This applies to all motor vehicles that are classified as buses.
  • Emergency: This applies to all motor vehicles operation with emergency services. The operator must also have the required non-emergency licence also.
  • Military: This applies to all motor vehicles in operation with the defence forces.

Article 2e: Drivers who have one of the above licence classes may obtain another licence from a recognised licenced school at full cost.

Article 3: On Operator Licence Testing, Regulations and Laws
Article 3a: All drivers of motor vehicles on public are required to have their licence with them at all times.
Article 3b: Failure to follow this rule may incur a 150 pound fine.
Article 3c: Exemptions from the requirement stipulated in Article 3a are vehicles operating on pirvate land.
Article 3d: Hereby mandates that driving tests are mandatory. Driving a motor vehicle on public roads without a licence will incur a 150 pound fine.
Article 3e: The minimum age for which a person may apply for a driving licence is 16.
Article 3f: Further adds to Article 3d by outlining the three basic licence catgeories: Student, Restricted and Full.
Article 3g: Defines the licence categories as the following:
  • Student: The most basic licence for those who have passed the Basic Aptitude Test (BAT). It enables student drivers to learn to drive whilst supervised.
  • Restricted: The second-tier licence which enables the driver to drive without supervision.
  • Full: The third-tier licence which enables the driver to carry passengers of any age and relation at any time.
Article 3h Defines the Basic Aptitude Test (BAT):
  • Drivers are required to study the Aurentine Road Code which outlines the basic road rules of Aurentina. They will answer a set of multi-choice questions on different rules and regulations as well as other observational questions.
  • Drivers are to also have their sight examined. Driver's may be required to have an additional eye test or an endorsement from their optician.
  • Drivers must also fill out an application form stating their name, home address, phone number, date of birth and any medical conditions that may affect their ability to drive.
Article 3i: A charge of 75 pounds is applied to the BAT.
Article 3j: Both the Student and Restricted licence categories are to have restrictions.
Article 3k: Defines the restrictions for Student licences:
  • Student drivers must have 150 hours of supervised driving before being eligible for a Restricted licence. This must include 30 hours of driving at night and 30 hours of driving in poor weather conditions.
  • Supervisors must have a full licence that was issued at least three years before.
  • Student drivers may not have any of electronic entertainment features activated in the car when they drive, such as the radio.
  • Student drivers must display “S” plates on their vehicle at all times.
  • “S” plates must be yellow with a black border and black letters and must be placed at the top left corner of the windscreen and top right corner of the rear window.
  • Student drivers may drive with passengers as long as they are supervisors.
Article 3l: Defines restrictions for Restricted licences:
  • Restricted drivers may drive unsupervised.
  • Restricted drivers may also drive with passengers. These may be their husband/wife/partner or any immediate family relation that has a full licence for three years.
  • Conditions may be allowed for drivers to have children as passengers. These children must be directly related to the driver.
  • Restricted drivers must have an additional 150 hours supervised driving from a licenced driving instructor and must take an 18 month course in car control at a licenced driving school.
  • Restricted drivers may not drive between the hours of 11pm and 6am.
Article 3m: Mandates that drivers over the age of 75 must undergo a licence renewal and fitness test every five years at no charge.
Article 3n: Outlines the parameters of an Aurentine driver's licence:
Front:
  • Picture of the licence holder
  • Name of the licence holder
  • Address
  • Date of Birth
  • Licence serial number
  • Licence expiry date
Reverse:
  • Driving conditions: Whether or not the driver is able to drive an automatic gearbox only, if they have to wear glasses/spectacles etc.
  • Medical conditions
  • Organ donor approval
  • Licence holder's signature.
Article 3o: All Aurentine driver's licences must have a microchip installed for the purposes of fighting forgery. This microchip may not contain any extra information on the licence holder and is expressly used for determining the validity of the licence.
Article 3p: Driving with an expired licence is illegal. A fine of 150 pounds may be incurred.

Article 4: On Licence Suspension and Removal
Article 4a: Hereby sets up a system of De-Merit Points for vehicle licences.
Article 4b: Defines the points for the following laws in the Aurentine Traffic Code:
  • Failure to Stop at a Marked Intersection: 10 points.
  • Failure to Stop for an Emergency Vehicle: 5 points.
  • Failure to Signal: Two points.
  • Speeding/Disobeying Posted Speed Limit: 10 points plus a further 1 point for every 1km/h over the posted speed limit. Drivers who automatically exceed the limit of De-Merit Points will have their licence suspended for six months.
  • Passing on a Solid Line: 5 points.
  • Reckless/Dangerous Driving: 20 points or an automatic licence suspension for 18 months.
  • Road Rage: 20 points or an automatic licence suspension for 12 months.
  • Creating a Hazard: 10 points.
  • Unsafe Operation: 15 points.
  • Failure to Wear a Seatbelt: 10 points.
  • Improper Parking: 5 points.
  • Failure to Stop at a Crossing: 10-20 points.

Article 4c: The limit of De-Merit Points that any one can accumulate is 35.
Article 4d: Drivers who surpass the point limit will incur an automatic licence suspension for three months.
Article 4e: Drivers who have their licence suspended four times may have their licence removed from them indefinitely.

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New Zepuha wrote:The left, jut like the UK.


Good, just wanted to check. Maybe add a clause in there, or is it already established elsewhere?

Not sure of the name but it was taken down in legislature.
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Postby Britanno » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:32 am

Glasgia wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:The left, jut like the UK.


Good, just wanted to check. Maybe add a clause in there, or is it already established elsewhere?


RoG wrote a bill about it.
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Ok, I have to say this. When submitting or quoting large bills, can you please spoiler them?
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Postby Fulflood » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:10 am

Wolfmanne wrote:
Belmaria wrote:Would you then say that the British Rail System is still in poor shape today?

Worse. Blair should had nationalised as soon he got in office, but Labour always lie to get in office. Ticket prices are insane. It costs me £5 to get into London on a train ticket.

Christ that's cheap.

You mean to say you don't live in London, and you're able to pay £5 to get in?
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Postby Glasgia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:24 am

Fulflood wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Worse. Blair should had nationalised as soon he got in office, but Labour always lie to get in office. Ticket prices are insane. It costs me £5 to get into London on a train ticket.

Christ that's cheap.

You mean to say you don't live in London, and you're able to pay £5 to get in?


That's the price for a half an hour journey into Portsmouth from where I live, off peak an hour to get to London Waterloo is £25.00. As a child I pay less, but still. That's only the edge of London as well.

Unlike most stuff, it's not much better up north. From Glasgow Central to Kilmarnock used to be about a fiver for adults, just for a forty minute journey. I have no doubt it's more expensive now.
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Postby Fulflood » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:35 am

Glasgia wrote:
Fulflood wrote:Christ that's cheap.

You mean to say you don't live in London, and you're able to pay £5 to get in?


That's the price for a half an hour journey into Portsmouth from where I live, off peak an hour to get to London Waterloo is £25.00. As a child I pay less, but still. That's only the edge of London as well.

Unlike most stuff, it's not much better up north. From Glasgow Central to Kilmarnock used to be about a fiver for adults, just for a forty minute journey. I have no doubt it's more expensive now.

Yeah, £5 doesn't even cover the cost to get into Southampton for me. In fact it's possible to get a train from one bit of Southampton to another (journey total: about 5 miles) for about £5.
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Postby Glasgia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:16 am

Fulflood wrote:
Glasgia wrote:
That's the price for a half an hour journey into Portsmouth from where I live, off peak an hour to get to London Waterloo is £25.00. As a child I pay less, but still. That's only the edge of London as well.

Unlike most stuff, it's not much better up north. From Glasgow Central to Kilmarnock used to be about a fiver for adults, just for a forty minute journey. I have no doubt it's more expensive now.

Yeah, £5 doesn't even cover the cost to get into Southampton for me. In fact it's possible to get a train from one bit of Southampton to another (journey total: about 5 miles) for about £5.


Damn, two quid from Portsmouth & Southsea to Portsmouth Harbour, about the same to get to Glasgow Queen Street or Central from Bishopbriggs or Paisley.
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Postby Fulflood » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:14 am

Glasgia wrote:
Fulflood wrote:Yeah, £5 doesn't even cover the cost to get into Southampton for me. In fact it's possible to get a train from one bit of Southampton to another (journey total: about 5 miles) for about £5.


Damn, two quid from Portsmouth & Southsea to Portsmouth Harbour, about the same to get to Glasgow Queen Street or Central from Bishopbriggs or Paisley.

£2 is the standard one-stop fare for some crazy reason.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, you could easily run that distance in a shorter time.
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Postby Glasgia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:25 am

Fulflood wrote:
Glasgia wrote:
Damn, two quid from Portsmouth & Southsea to Portsmouth Harbour, about the same to get to Glasgow Queen Street or Central from Bishopbriggs or Paisley.

£2 is the standard one-stop fare for some crazy reason.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, you could easily run that distance in a shorter time.


Just checking that actually.

EDIT: Four minutes from Portsmouth & Southsea to Portsmouth Harbour on the train. It's about a mile on foot and I can just almost do a five minute mile. If you add in buying a ticket and getting on the train, I might just beat it.
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Britanno wrote:Ok, I have to say this. When submitting or quoting large bills, can you please spoiler them?


And per SASCS you have to include a BBCode version using the Code tag.
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Postby Fulflood » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:52 pm

Glasgia wrote:
Fulflood wrote:£2 is the standard one-stop fare for some crazy reason.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, you could easily run that distance in a shorter time.


Just checking that actually.

EDIT: Four minutes from Portsmouth & Southsea to Portsmouth Harbour on the train. It's about a mile on foot and I can just almost do a five minute mile. If you add in buying a ticket and getting on the train, I might just beat it.

I would definitely add in buying a ticket and getting on the train.
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Postby Glasgia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Fulflood wrote:
Glasgia wrote:
Just checking that actually.

EDIT: Four minutes from Portsmouth & Southsea to Portsmouth Harbour on the train. It's about a mile on foot and I can just almost do a five minute mile. If you add in buying a ticket and getting on the train, I might just beat it.

I would definitely add in buying a ticket and getting on the train.


I'm quicker than a train!

Anyway, back to serious debate.
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Postby Venaleria » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:05 pm

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