NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 3

[The Nihilistic view]

I move to remove Corps Creation Charter from the Domestic Development omnibus, and into the International Relations one, for having absolutely no relation with the ministries classified into Domestic Development.

I second this motion.

[Ainin]

I move to remove Corps Creation Charter from the Domestic Development omnibus, and into the International Relations one, for having absolutely no relation with the ministries classified into Domestic Development.

I counter this movement, as I the author placed it there in protest to the classification of the MoD under International Relations.

Unless we intend our military to be an imperialist or interventionist force to gallivant around the globe policing or invading this that or the other, then it is a defence force and should come rightfully under domestic development.

A military does nothing to advance the development of Aurentina. It is an institution used on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad, that often strengthen relations with the affected nation, and belongs in International Relations.

[Kouralia]

I counter this movement, as I the author placed it there in protest to the classification of the MoD under International Relations.

Unless we intend our military to be an imperialist or interventionist force to gallivant around the globe policing or invading this that or the other, then it is a defence force and should come rightfully under domestic development.

A military does nothing to advance the development of Aurentina. It is an institution used on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad, that often strengthen relations with the affected nation, and belongs in International Relations.

Sweet Jesus, we have a Euphemistic name for the Ministry that doesn't even relate to what the Ministry's meant to do...

[The Nihilistic view]

A military does nothing to advance the development of Aurentina. It is an institution used on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad, that often strengthen relations with the affected nation, and belongs in International Relations.

Sweet Jesus, we have a Euphemistic name for the Ministry that doesn't even relate to what the Ministry's meant to do...

It is only called the MOD to fool people, when was the last time Britain/USA used its MOD/military in defense of the homeland?

[Kouralia]

Sweet Jesus, we have a Euphemistic name for the Ministry that doesn't even relate to what the Ministry's meant to do...

It is only called the MOD to fool people, when was the last time Britain/USA used its MOD/military in defense of the homeland?

1982 for Britain, though it may have been more recently.

[Ainin]

It is only called the MOD to fool people, when was the last time Britain/USA used its MOD/military in defense of the homeland?

1982 for Britain, though it may have been more recently.

That's not the homeland. The Falkland Islands are a BOT.

[Kouralia]

1982 for Britain, though it may have been more recently.

That's not the homeland. The Falkland Islands are a BOT.

It counts as a 'defence' operation, however. While they're not the 'Homeland', they're British and were illegally invaded on false pretenses to 'reclaim the lost Islas Malvinas' by Argentina. It was a defensive operation, unlike say the Invasion of Iraq.

[Britanno]

While I agree that Argentina unlawfully invaded the Falklands, this I not the place to discuss it.

[Lamaredia]

Guys, take it somewhere else. We're debating Senate Procedures here.

[Battlion]

I move to remove Corps Creation Charter from the Domestic Development omnibus, and into the International Relations one, for having absolutely no relation with the ministries classified into Domestic Development.

I second this motion.

I third the motion

[Lamaredia]

I second this motion.

I third the motion

I fourth it.

[Ranbo]

I third the motion

I fourth it.

Fifthed.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Sorry I wasn't here to sort this out.

Senate Procedures is currently in debate and voting will start on Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:23 am EDT [UTC-4], unless otherwise motioned with ten seconds to prolong debate (at the discretion of the motioning Senator).

I will sixth the movement motion. -Venaleria

4 more seconds are needed in order to move the Corps Creation Charter from Domestic Development to International Relations.

I don't even know how we got into discussion of the Falkland Islands, but it needs to stop. Thanks.

[Free South Califas]

If you subvert the process of making a motion, there's really no excuse. Also, Boris never linked to the post where he allegedly made a motion. I need to see that first.

I may have missed something about the requirements for making a motion. Fair enough:

I think it would be most urgent to vote on this first Senate procedures

[Maklohi Vai]

If you subvert the process of making a motion, there's really no excuse. Also, Boris never linked to the post where he allegedly made a motion. I need to see that first.

I may have missed something about the requirements for making a motion. Fair enough:

I think it would be most urgent to vote on this first Senate procedures

That is not a motion, that's a statement. It's not valid in any way. However, considering it's been treated de facto as such and received enough seconds, we will move to Senate Procedures.

[Geilinor]

A military does nothing to advance the development of Aurentina. It is an institution used on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad, that often strengthen relations with the affected nation, and belongs in International Relations.

Sweet Jesus, we have a Euphemistic name for the Ministry that doesn't even relate to what the Ministry's meant to do...

What should we call it if not the Ministry of Defense?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

However, considering it's been treated de facto as such and received enough seconds, we will move to Senate Procedures.

And it only took us three pages. Record time for the Aurentine Senate.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Sweet Jesus, we have a Euphemistic name for the Ministry that doesn't even relate to what the Ministry's meant to do...

What should we call it if not the Ministry of Defense?

I've always thought Ministry of War was vastly more to-the-point, but that would set us apart from virtually every other Western nation on Earth.

[Phing Phong]

I move to remove Corps Creation Charter from the Domestic Development omnibus, and into the International Relations one, for having absolutely no relation with the ministries classified into Domestic Development.

I counter this movement, as I the author placed it there in protest to the classification of the MoD under International Relations.

Unless we intend our military to be an imperialist or interventionist force to gallivant around the globe policing or invading this that or the other, then it is a defence force and should come rightfully under domestic development.

I wish to second Senator Kouralia's opposition to reclassifying the bill in question. The Ministry of Defence is not the Ministry of Illegal Foreign Wars.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I will sixth the movement motion. -Venaleria

4 more seconds are needed in order to move the Corps Creation Charter from Domestic Development to International Relations.

I will seventh the motion.

[Mediciano]

The Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities Establishment Act
Category: Domestic Development | Urgency: Low | Author: Senator Marius Kruger (Ind.) | Co-Sponsors: Byzantium Imperial, The Grand Republic of Hannover, Maklohi Vai, Seitonjin, Geilinor, Prussia-Steinbach, New Zephua, Battlion

The Aurentine Senate,

DECLARING that the arts and humanities are an integral part of Aurentine and European cultures, and are one of the defining features in any given culture,

NOTING that the responsibility of funding art, establishing grants for the support of the arts, and funding the education of arts and humanities, rests primarily on the shoulders of the private citizen, and the private organization,

ALSO NOTING that it is also a responsibility of the state to recognize that

a) the arts and humanities are crucial to the development and continuation of a national culture,
b) the arts and humanities are beneficial to the people,
c) it is often necessary for the state to complement and assist in the funding of artists and the organizations which support them, as the granting of private funds is often inconsistent, and governed by the willingness of the private individual to utilize his own funds, and thus is insecure without government help,

WARNING that a modern, developed nation cannot focus primarily on the issues of scientific and technological value, but must place equal value in the branches of creative and artistic scholarly thought as they provide

a) crucial insight into understanding, analyzing and predicting the past, present and future,
b) cultural enrichment to the lives of the people,

HEREBY CREATES
(1) the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities, which will provide public funding from the state,

a) in the form of grants, scholarships and donations, to groups which are seen as vital and necessary to the arts and humanities by the Ministry of Culture.
b) which will be drawn from state taxes, as well as from donations added to the fund by private individuals.

(2) the Board of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities,

a) which will be composed of twenty men and women knowledgeable in their respective fields,
b) whose respective fields shall be relevant to the arts and humanities, as well as to the management of public finances,
c) whose task will be to advise the Chairperson of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities in the distribution of fund assets.

(3) the office of Chairperson of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities, who will be charged with

a) overseeing the distribution of fund assets to worthy causes,
b) lobbying in support of the fund before the Senate, should further funding ever be deemed necessary by the Board of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities, or in any issue concerning the fund.

DEFINITIONS
(1) The term "humanities" includes, but is not limited to, the study and interpretation of the following:

(a)language, both modern and classical;
(b) linguistics;
(c) literature;
(d) history;
(e) jurisprudence;
(f) philosophy;
(g) archaeology;
(h) comparative religion;
(i) ethics;
(j) the history, criticism, and theory of the arts;
(k) those aspects of the social sciences which have humanistic content and employ humanistic methods;
(l) the study and application of the humanities to the human environment with particular attention to reflecting our diverse heritage, traditions, and history;
(m) to the relevance of the humanities to the current conditions of national life.

(2) The term "the arts" includes, but is not limited to, the study and interpretation of the following:

(a) music (instrumental and vocal);
(b) dance;
(c) drama;
(d) folk art;
(e) creative writing;
(f) architecture and allied fields;
(g) painting;
(h) sculpture;
(i) photography;
(j) graphic and craft arts;
(k) industrial design;
(l) costume and fashion design;
(m) motion pictures;
(n) television;
(o) radio;
(p) film;
(q) video;
(r) tape and sound recording;
(s) the arts related to the presentation, performance, execution, and exhibition of such major art forms;
(t) all those traditional arts practiced by the diverse peoples of this country;
(u) the study and application of the arts to the human environment.

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[box][align=center][size=125][b]The Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities Establishment Act[/b][/size]
[b]Category:[/b] Domestic Development | [b]Urgency:[/b] Low | [b]Author:[/b] [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=240308&p=15800756#p15800756]Senator Marius Kruger[/url] (Ind.) | [b]Co-Sponsors: [nation]Byzantium Imperial[/nation], [nation]The Grand Republic of Hannover[/nation], [nation]Maklohi Vai[/nation], [nation]Seitonjin[/nation], [nation]Geilinor[/nation], [nation]Prussia-Steinbach[/nation], [nation]New Zephua[/nation], [nation]Battlion[/nation][/b][/align]

The Aurentine Senate,

[b]DECLARING[/b] that the arts and humanities are an integral part of Aurentine and European cultures, and are one of the defining features in any given culture,

[b]NOTING[/b] that the responsibility of funding art, establishing grants for the support of the arts, and funding the education of arts and humanities, rests primarily on the shoulders of the private citizen, and the private organization,

[b]ALSO NOTING[/b] that it is also a responsibility of the state to recognize that
[blocktext][b]a)[/b] the arts and humanities are crucial to the development and continuation of a national culture,
[b]b)[/b] the arts and humanities are beneficial to the people,
[b]c)[/b] it is often necessary for the state to complement and assist in the funding of artists and the organizations which support them, as the granting of private funds is often inconsistent, and governed by the willingness of the private individual to utilize his own funds, and thus is insecure without government help,[/blocktext]

[b]WARNING[/b] that a modern, developed nation cannot focus primarily on the issues of scientific and technological value, but must place equal value in the branches of creative and artistic scholarly thought as they provide
[blocktext][b]a)[/b] crucial insight into understanding, analyzing and predicting the past, present and future,
[b]b)[/b] cultural enrichment to the lives of the people,[/blocktext]

[b]HEREBY CREATES[/b]
[b](1)[/b] the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities, which will provide public funding from the state,
[blocktext][b]a)[/b] in the form of grants, scholarships and donations, to groups which are seen as vital and necessary to the arts and humanities by the Ministry of Culture.
[b]b)[/b] which will be drawn from state taxes, as well as from donations added to the fund by private individuals.[/blocktext]

[b](2)[/b] the Board of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities,
[blocktext][b]a)[/b] which will be composed of twenty men and women knowledgeable in their respective fields,
[b]b)[/b] whose respective fields shall be relevant to the arts and humanities, as well as to the management of public finances,
[b]c)[/b] whose task will be to advise the Chairperson of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities in the distribution of fund assets.[/blocktext]

[b](3)[/b] the office of Chairperson of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities, who will be charged with
[blocktext][b]a)[/b] overseeing the distribution of fund assets to worthy causes,
[b]b)[/b] lobbying in support of the fund before the Senate, should further funding ever be deemed necessary by the Board of the Aurentine Fund for the Arts and Humanities, or in any issue concerning the fund.[/blocktext]

[b]DEFINITIONS[/b]
[b](1)[/b] The term "humanities" includes, but is not limited to, the study and interpretation of the following:
[blocktext][b](a)[/b]language, both modern and classical;
[b](b)[/b] linguistics;
[b](c)[/b] literature;
[b](d)[/b] history;
[b](e)[/b] jurisprudence;
[b](f)[/b] philosophy;
[b](g)[/b] archaeology;
[b](h)[/b] comparative religion;
[b](i)[/b] ethics;
[b](j)[/b] the history, criticism, and theory of the arts;
[b](k)[/b] those aspects of the social sciences which have humanistic content and employ humanistic methods;
[b](l)[/b] the study and application of the humanities to the human environment with particular attention to reflecting our diverse heritage, traditions, and history;
[b](m)[/b] to the relevance of the humanities to the current conditions of national life.[/blocktext]

[b](2)[/b] The term "the arts" includes, but is not limited to, the study and interpretation of the following:
[blocktext][b](a)[/b] music (instrumental and vocal);
[b](b)[/b] dance;
[b](c)[/b] drama;
[b](d)[/b] folk art;
[b](e)[/b] creative writing;
[b](f)[/b] architecture and allied fields;
[b](g)[/b] painting;
[b](h)[/b] sculpture;
[b](i)[/b] photography;
[b](j)[/b] graphic and craft arts;
[b](k)[/b] industrial design;
[b](l)[/b] costume and fashion design;
[b](m)[/b] motion pictures;
[b](n)[/b] television;
[b](o)[/b] radio;
[b](p)[/b] film;
[b](q)[/b] video;
[b](r)[/b] tape and sound recording;
[b](s)[/b] the arts related to the presentation, performance, execution, and exhibition of such major art forms;
[b](t)[/b] all those traditional arts practiced by the diverse peoples of this country;
[b](u)[/b] the study and application of the arts to the human environment.[/blocktext][/box]

I motion to add this to the queue under "Domestic Development."

[Ainin]

I counter this movement, as I the author placed it there in protest to the classification of the MoD under International Relations.

Unless we intend our military to be an imperialist or interventionist force to gallivant around the globe policing or invading this that or the other, then it is a defence force and should come rightfully under domestic development.

I wish to second Senator Kouralia's opposition to reclassifying the bill in question. The Ministry of Defence is not the Ministry of Illegal Foreign Wars.

Humanitarian and peacekeeping missions aren't illegal, last time I checked.

[Oneracon]

Second Amendment to the Second Constitution of the Senate (Improvement of Archiving), has enough sponsors to be added to Senate Procedures.

Second Amendment to the Second Constitution of the Senate (Improvement of Archiving)
Urgency: Medium | Author: Oneracon [RG] | Category: Senate Procedures
Co-sponsors: Venaleria [RG], Maklohi Vai [LD], Free South Califas [C], Battlion [NLP], The Grand Republic of Hannover [FW], Gothmogs [TR]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

NOTING the difficulties that may arise when transferring passed legislation to the official Senate Archives;

SEEKING to ensure the efficient and accurate archiving of legislation

HEREBY ENACTS the following amendments to the Second Constitution of the Senate:

1. Article 2 ("Legislation and Other Requirements"), Section 4 shall be changed to read:
   
   The layout of legislation submitted to the Chamber shall mimic this one and shall be accompanied by a BBCode version to allow for accurate archiving.

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[box][align=center][size=150][b]Second Amendment to the Second Constitution of the Senate (Improvement of Archiving)[/b][/size]
[b]Urgency:[/b] Medium | [b]Author:[/b] [nation]Oneracon[/nation] [RG] | [b]Category:[/b] Senate Procedures
[b]Co-sponsors:[/b] [nation]Venaleria[/nation] [RG], [nation]Maklohi Vai[/nation] [LD], [nation]Free South Califas[/nation] [C], [nation]Battlion[/nation] [NLP], [nation]The Grand Republic of Hannover[/nation] [FW], [nation]Gothmogs[/nation] [TR][/align][hr][/hr] The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

[b]NOTING[/b] the difficulties that may arise when transferring passed legislation to the official Senate Archives;

[b]SEEKING[/b] to ensure the efficient and accurate archiving of legislation

[b]HEREBY ENACTS[/b] the following amendments to the [i]Second Constitution of the Senate[/i]:
[list=1][*]Article 2 ("Legislation and Other Requirements"), Section 4 shall be changed to read:
[list][i]The layout of legislation submitted to the Chamber shall mimic this one and shall be accompanied by a BBCode version to allow for accurate archiving.[/i][/list] [/list][/box]

[Fulflood]

I wish to second Senator Kouralia's opposition to reclassifying the bill in question. The Ministry of Defence is not the Ministry of Illegal Foreign Wars.

Humanitarian and peacekeeping missions aren't illegal, last time I checked.

Should've really sorted bills by ministry IMHO.

[Free South Califas]

Sweet Jesus, we have a Euphemistic name for the Ministry that doesn't even relate to what the Ministry's meant to do...

What should we call it if not the Ministry of Defense?

Ministry of War sounds appropriate. However, I'm not aware of any 'humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad' that we're a part of...?