NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 3

[Free South Califas]

Alright, I'll ask my coauthor for consent to post a new version of the animal protection bill keeping it legal to kill insects generally. I'm not comfortable with that, personally, but I'll grudgingly accept it if necessary to establish working law. Why should an adult go outside and stamp on anthills that don't pose a threat to someone's health?

[Gothmogs]

Cork Oak Preservation Act
Drafted By: Cengiz Harun (Gothmogs)
Sponsors: Kamchastkia, Yanalia, Free South Califas, Oneracon, The Realm of God, Rumostan

This act outlines the importance of protecting Cork Oaks and restrictions on their harvesting and removal.

Cork Oak trees are of great importance to Aurentina due to their important position in the ecosystem, and their economical value. Cork Oaks help retain water, conserve soil, and take in carbon from the atmosphere that helps reduce greenhouse gases. They also provide habitats for a wide variety of plants and animals, as well as shade and feed for livestock. Cork Oaks produce thick bark which is used in almost all natural cork production, and is harvested by hand, providing jobs for many people. The trees do not need to be cut down for the bark to be harvested, meaning cork is a natural, renewable, and recyclable source. I urge that my fellow senators support this act, as it helps the earth, and the economy.

This bill defines a Cork Oak as any tree of the species Quercus suber.

This bill hereby enacts the following:

Section 1 - Removal
1. It shall be illegal to cut down a Cork Oak unless the said oak is causing endangerment to a persons life, is currently dead, has fallen over, is a danger to existing property, or needs to be removed for necessary forest regulation.

2. Any person who cuts down a Cork Oak will pay a £1,000 fine for each tree that was cut down.

3. A Cork Oak may only be removed if permission to do so was given by the local or national government.

Section 2 - Bark Harvesting
1. Cork Oaks under twelve feet tall or under 18 years of age may not be stripped of their bark.

2. Cork Oaks may only be stripped of their bark over eight years after their previous stripping.

3. Any person who strips the bark of a Cork Oak that may not be stripped will pay a fine no less than £500 and no more than £1,000 for each Cork Oak that was stripped illegally.

Section 3 - Government Powers
1. The local government of a constituency may mark some Cork Oaks as unsuitable to be stripped of their bark, and those trees marked unsuitable will not be allowed to be stripped.

2. The local government of a constituency may give permission for a Cork Oak to be cut down or removed if it follows the criteria in Section 1 of this bill.

3. The local government of a constituency may increase the limits at which a Cork Oak can be stripped of its bark.

4. The local government of a constituency may increase the fine for illegally striping a Cork Oak of its bark, or for illegally cutting down a Cork Oak.

5. The national government has all the powers listed in Article 1, 2, and 3, in Section 3 of this bill.

Hereby passes the Cork Oak Preservation Act

I had to redo all the formatting. I ask that the Senate President pro tempore update the Cork Oak Preservation Act to use this link.

[Pesda]

Alright, I'll ask my coauthor for consent to post a new version of the animal protection bill keeping it legal to kill insects generally. I'm not comfortable with that, personally, but I'll grudgingly accept it if necessary to establish working law. Why should an adult go outside and stamp on anthills that don't pose a threat to someone's health?

I'm not saying that and adult should go out and stamp on anthills, but I'm saying that an adult shouldn't go to jail for doing so.

[Gothmogs]

The legal guardian of the child would pay it. If they can't afford to pay it, or if they have no legal guardian, then that would be covered by what Ainin said I believe. It's also doubtful someone would try and report an innocent child so they would have to pay a fine.

I agree with you mostly, but you cannot expect a parent to be right next to the child 24/7. What if the child is in his backyard and he sees one of these animals? This law should really be a little bit more specific and explain everything.

Loggerhead turtles do not go into peoples backyards. They are sea turtles.

[Gothmogs]

Alright, I'll ask my coauthor for consent to post a new version of the animal protection bill keeping it legal to kill insects generally. I'm not comfortable with that, personally, but I'll grudgingly accept it if necessary to establish working law. Why should an adult go outside and stamp on anthills that don't pose a threat to someone's health?

You are right, but this is a societal thing that will probably never go away. I have never met anyone who has not stomped on an ant hill.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I agree with you mostly, but you cannot expect a parent to be right next to the child 24/7. What if the child is in his backyard and he sees one of these animals? This law should really be a little bit more specific and explain everything.

Loggerhead turtles do not go into peoples backyards. They are sea turtles.

I meant other animals in danger of extinction

[Yanalia]

Loggerhead turtles do not go into peoples backyards. They are sea turtles.

I meant other animals in danger of extinction

And the bill is about loggerhead turtles.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I meant other animals in danger of extinction

And the bill is about loggerhead turtles.

Yep, I just realized that
I mean, some people have beach houses as well.

I don't really have a problem with the fine, maybe it could be a bit higher if the species is in such danger of extinction

[The Nihilistic view]

I agree with you mostly, but you cannot expect a parent to be right next to the child 24/7. What if the child is in his backyard and he sees one of these animals? This law should really be a little bit more specific and explain everything.

Loggerhead turtles do not go into peoples backyards. They are sea turtles.

Would this count as cruelty?



Escaping of a tropical island in the style of jack sparrow?

[Geilinor]

Why don't we create a bill that applies to all endangered species, instead of writing separate legislation for each species?

[Gothmogs]

Why don't we create a bill that applies to all endangered species, instead of writing separate legislation for each species?

We should. I just wanted to avoid the hassle. Also it' more likely an individual bill will pass than one about all endangered species. People will find reasons to be against anything.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Why don't we create a bill that applies to all endangered species, instead of writing separate legislation for each species?

I agree completely. It would be inefficient to do it otherwise

[Belmaria]

Why don't we create a bill that applies to all endangered species, instead of writing separate legislation for each species?

We should. I just wanted to avoid the hassle. Also it' more likely an individual bill will pass than one about all endangered species. People will find reasons to be against anything.

Protect endangered species but do not force good people off land to do so. Do not fine children for doing what is in their nature. Do not prosecute people for helping beached sea creatures that are endangered, as Americans do. These laws need to be lenient in nature to have a positive effect.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

We should. I just wanted to avoid the hassle. Also it' more likely an individual bill will pass than one about all endangered species. People will find reasons to be against anything.

Protect endangered species but do not force good people off land to do so. Do not fine children for doing what is in their nature. Do not prosecute people for helping beached sea creatures that are endangered, as Americans do. These laws need to be lenient in nature to have a positive effect.

I agree. This bill should not have more negative effects than positive.

[New Zepuha]

"If someone does not have the means to pay a fine, they cannot be handed it."
-Criminal Code

So then we have no alternative punishment?

[Belmaria]

"If someone does not have the means to pay a fine, they cannot be handed it."
-Criminal Code

So then we have no alternative punishment?

Death by hamster stampede

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

So then we have no alternative punishment?

Death by hamster stampede

[Senate President pro Tempore]

snip

Done.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

I'd actually like to point out that the NPWWA and the NPSEA contradict each other on the regulation of standards in a national park.

I'll be supporting New Zepuha's bill over yours. Hopefully the NPSEA will not pass.

This is kind of late to respond to, but ummm...harsh much?

[The Nihilistic view]

I'll be supporting New Zepuha's bill over yours. Hopefully the NPSEA will not pass.

This is kind of late to respond to, but ummm...harsh much?

How is it harsh? He is simply stating an opinion. There is nothing wrong or against any law in that statement.

[Yanalia]

This is kind of late to respond to, but ummm...harsh much?

How is it harsh? There is nothing wrong or against any law in that statement.

What definition of harsh are you using that includes the term "illegal"?

[Venaleria]

This is kind of late to respond to, but ummm...harsh much?

How is it harsh? He is simply stating an opinion. There is nothing wrong or against any law in that statement.

I never said it was illegal....

[The Nihilistic view]

How is it harsh? There is nothing wrong or against any law in that statement.

What definition of harsh are you using that includes the term "illegal"?

There SPPT has no power to do anything about comments that are harsh. Thus I ask why he has bothered to bring it up.

[Venaleria]

What definition of harsh are you using that includes the term "illegal"?

There SPPT has no power to do anything about comments that are harsh. Thus I ask why he has bothered to bring it up.

I bring it up because I ask why the Senator prefers the other bill over mine (not to be egocentric). I had no intention to use my power in order to make a punishment. I bring it up with the same right as any other Senator.

[Geilinor]

"If someone does not have the means to pay a fine, they cannot be handed it."
-Criminal Code

So then we have no alternative punishment?

Community service could be an alternative punishment.