NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Geilinor]

You'll have to change the title to "First Amendment to the SIMBEDS Omnibus Proceedure Act" I'm afraid.

Fixed.

I'll sponsor this. I suppose it's SHIMBEDS now that we're adding Health.

[Maklohi Vai]

No, it's a singular problem with Safety and Order. Making an amendment such that you suggest would cause more problems than it fixes ultimately, something I've expanded upon previously.

But what is to stop it happening again?

The reason we have so many bills there right now is because we're transitioning from the incredibly backlogged queue to the category system. The Senate will be more efficient from now on, so 13 bills will not be produced for one category at the rate that the system creates.

I will also sponsor the amendment bill once it's formatted with proper preambulatory and operative clauses.

[Ranbo]

I will also sponsor the amendment bill once it's formatted with proper preambulatory and operative clauses.

Guess I messed up on some of the wording, didn't I?

[Maklohi Vai]

I will also sponsor the amendment bill once it's formatted with proper preambulatory and operative clauses.

Guess I messed up on some of the wording, didn't I?

Not really, it's more the formatting. Operative clauses are numbered, for example.


In other news, that bill I mentioned earlier will be up within two hours.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

But how will we be able to vote on it without adding it to a category?

[Maklohi Vai]

But how will we be able to vote on it without adding it to a category?

It will have to be added to a category, yes, but we will vote on that category first so that the bill's effects can be felt thereafter. Here it is:

First Amendment to the Second Constitution of the Senate
Urgency: High | Author: Maklohi Vai [LD] | Category: Senatorial Procedures
Sponsors: Free South Califas [CP], Venaleria [RG], Blassland [TR], Yanalia [RG], Aeken [LD], Beta Test [LD], Fulflood [LD], Geilinor [LD]

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The Aurentine Senate,

Applauding the passage of the SIMBEDS Omnibus Act and the expedition of the voting process that it brings,

Believing that current debating mandates, specifically those about required times, are inadequate to serve this new method of voting and debating,

1. Strikes the fifth clause of the article “Legislation and Other Requirements” from the Second Constitution of the Senate;

2. Creates the procedure for debating time following the proceeding guidelines:
-If an omnibus category has 1-3 bills in it, it receives a minimum of 24 hours of debate time,
-If an omnibus category has 4-6 bills in it, it receives a minimum of 48 hours of debate time,
-If an omnibus category has 7+ bills in it, it receives a minimum of 72 hours of debate time,
-In order to extend the debating time, one must motion to do so; the motion must receive 10 seconds and approval from either the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, or the President pro Tempore.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

To what category?

The Amendment to the SCS, I mean.

[Maklohi Vai]

To what category?

The Amendment to the SCS, I mean.

It's in the first line of text. Senatorial Procedures.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

To what category?

The Amendment to the SCS, I mean.

It's in the first line of text. Senatorial Procedures.

Ah, forgive me.

Edit: Added.

[Maklohi Vai]

It's in the first line of text. Senatorial Procedures.

Ah, forgive me.

Edit: Added.

Hey, I can add links to the category posts to the OP if you want.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Ah, forgive me.

Edit: Added.

Hey, I can add links to the category posts to the OP if you want.

That's what I was just thinking!

Yes, that would be great.

[Maklohi Vai]

Hey, I can add links to the category posts to the OP if you want.

That's what I was just thinking!

Yes, that would be great.

Ok, done.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Thanks!

Should we get started debating things?

[Maklohi Vai]

Thanks!

Should we get started debating things?

Well, let's start with the Senate Procedures category because passing the FASCS will help alleviate other issues.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Right then.

Debate has now started on the Senate Procedures Category and will last until July 29th 2013, 9:05 pm EDT.

[Phocidaea]

I, for one, fail to see the point of the VRA. There is a strong incentive to join the Register and zero disincentive to doing so, so every Senator in their right mind who knows its existence will join it. The only use I can see of it is voter suppression, where the ruling party or parties either intentionally delay recognizing registrations of opponents or simply use the act to reduce participation by making it harder to participate.

There is no potential benefit to the Senate from this bill, only a potential - if somewhat unlikely - detriment. This is just bureaucratic red tape, something no party openly supports (though a few on the far left do unintentionally).

Addendum: By "VRA" I mean "Voter Registration Act", NOT "Voting Reform Act". This is to clear up any confusion - although I would advise against like-acronymed bills in the same omnibus for the future.

[Byzantium Imperial]

When it comes to a vote, one should be acronymed VRFA, and the other VRIA

[Maklohi Vai]

I, for one, fail to see the point of the VRA. There is a strong incentive to join the Register and zero disincentive to doing so, so every Senator in their right mind who knows its existence will join it. The only use I can see of it is voter suppression, where the ruling party or parties either intentionally delay recognizing registrations of opponents or simply use the act to reduce participation by making it harder to participate.

There is no potential benefit to the Senate from this bill, only a potential - if somewhat unlikely - detriment. This is just bureaucratic red tape, something no party openly supports (though a few on the far left do unintentionally).

Addendum: By "VRA" I mean "Voter Registration Act", NOT "Voting Reform Act". This is to clear up any confusion - although I would advise against like-acronymed bills in the same omnibus for the future.

I second this position. While I appreciate the authors' intent, I don't think this bill does anything to significantly boost the success of elections.

[Mediciano]

I second this position. While I appreciate the authors' intent, I don't think this bill does anything to significantly boost the success of elections.

Agreed. It is neither harsh enough to prevent voter fraud, nor is it efficient enough to expedite or aid the voting process in any way.

[New Zepuha]

I, for one, fail to see the point of the VRA. There is a strong incentive to join the Register and zero disincentive to doing so, so every Senator in their right mind who knows its existence will join it. The only use I can see of it is voter suppression, where the ruling party or parties either intentionally delay recognizing registrations of opponents or simply use the act to reduce participation by making it harder to participate.

There is no potential benefit to the Senate from this bill, only a potential - if somewhat unlikely - detriment. This is just bureaucratic red tape, something no party openly supports (though a few on the far left do unintentionally).

Addendum: By "VRA" I mean "Voter Registration Act", NOT "Voting Reform Act". This is to clear up any confusion - although I would advise against like-acronymed bills in the same omnibus for the future.

I second this position. While I appreciate the authors' intent, I don't think this bill does anything to significantly boost the success of elections.

As do I, it really creates a way to kill votes rather than anything else. If someone forgets to register, well flap jacks they can't vote! Why in the world does a Senator need to register to vote anyway?

[Byzantium Imperial]

I second this position. While I appreciate the authors' intent, I don't think this bill does anything to significantly boost the success of elections.

As do I, it really creates a way to kill votes rather than anything else. If someone forgets to register, well flap jacks they can't vote! Why in the world does a Senator need to register to vote anyway?

I think its to prevent the relatively decent sized group of nations that ressurected durrin ght presidential election from voting. As many of those cases were quite suspsious.

[Oneracon]

Addendum: By "VRA" I mean "Voter Registration Act", NOT "Voting Reform Act". This is to clear up any confusion - although I would advise against like-acronymed bills in the same omnibus for the future.

Well they weren't in the same omnibus until SIMBEDS passed.

[Ranbo]

Guess I messed up on some of the wording, didn't I?

Not really, it's more the formatting. Operative clauses are numbered, for example.


In other news, that bill I mentioned earlier will be up within two hours.

In that case, I will be more mindful of that in the future.

[Maryginia]

I say we vote on them one at a time, not 13 at a time, it's too easy to slip some stuff in it, and if a person is gone for a week at a time and there's a lot of bills in, well, they'll miss a lot of bills.

[Maklohi Vai]

I say we vote on them one at a time, not 13 at a time, it's too easy to slip some stuff in it, and if a person is gone for a week at a time and there's a lot of bills in, well, they'll miss a lot of bills.

That's illegal and defeats the point of the bill and the procedure. And there's no such thing as "slipping some stuff in" if you take the time to look over everything and read it.