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by Secruss » Mon May 18, 2009 7:11 am
by Oyen » Mon May 18, 2009 7:24 am
by Ventei » Mon May 18, 2009 10:33 am
Grays Harbor wrote: i have better things to do than continue to point out reality to a blithering idiot racist such as yourself. I point out facts, you spew racist propoganda.
by Dr Horrible Land » Mon May 18, 2009 10:48 am
by Behaved » Mon May 18, 2009 10:52 am
Blackledge wrote:Behaved wrote:Only in the last seven years of the world as we know it will that happen. It's what I believe and if you don't, well I got proof for what I believe. What's your proof?
What are you talking about?
by Acrostica » Mon May 18, 2009 11:01 am
Sheila Anteres wrote:Yes, the kingdom of Israel was established in the past, did you bother to find out how? The jews created it when they took by force the land of Canaan, when they fled from Egypt [Moses journey across the Red Sea]. They did not find an empty land, they seized it by force from the Philistines; the natives & the ancestors / forerunners of the Palestinians [remember David vs Goliath]. So even from then they were STEALING other peoples land.
by Behaved » Mon May 18, 2009 11:06 am
Ventei wrote:israel is a conscript nation, every citizen once they reach between the ages of 16-18 is required by israeli law to enter military service! They are soldiers of oppression & occupation! NO such thing as an "israeli civilian" nor innocent israeli.
Ferrous Oxide wrote:So is Switzerland. Does that give up free reign to bomb them into oblivion?
by Orwelliad » Mon May 18, 2009 11:07 am
by Grays Harbor » Mon May 18, 2009 11:36 am
Behaved wrote:Ventei wrote:israel is a conscript nation, every citizen once they reach between the ages of 16-18 is required by israeli law to enter military service! They are soldiers of oppression & occupation! NO such thing as an "israeli civilian" nor innocent israeli.Ferrous Oxide wrote:So is Switzerland. Does that give up free reign to bomb them into oblivion?
Switerland is not imperialist. In fact, someone said on another forum they don't do much of anything. [Israel is "an imperialist minnow", I saw someplace,b] [/b]so they are two different types. So, it's not a fair comparison. You got that, people?
by Blackledge » Mon May 18, 2009 11:43 am
Behaved wrote:Blackledge wrote:Behaved wrote:Only in the last seven years of the world as we know it will that happen. It's what I believe and if you don't, well I got proof for what I believe. What's your proof?
What are you talking about?
Read the Left Behind books or Revelation.I believe that stuff. If it scares you, well do something about that. Ask me what that is and I will send you a message.
by Greater Somalia » Mon May 18, 2009 11:49 am
Parthenon wrote:Another accommodating Israeli Prime Minister... He won't last long.
You give the Palestinians an inch, they want a mile; It has happened dozens of time. The only thing granting the Palestinians a state would do is provide them with more ground to stage rocket attacks from. There will be no peace in the region until Muslim extremism is extinguished.
by Dvardis » Mon May 18, 2009 11:51 am
by Kryozerkia » Mon May 18, 2009 11:53 am
Grays Harbor wrote:and i have better things to do than continue to point out reality to a blithering idiot racist such as yourself. I point out facts, you spew racist propoganda.
Oyen wrote:This is truely funny Grey no point getting angry they lost this, they dont got anything to back it up, we do, lol but i am surprise there are more cyber retards than i thought. (no offence, and you know who you are i dont need to point you out)
We know Israel is the rightful owner of the "holy land". (again check the first conversation that i had previuosly with the gal, any questions feel free to ask, ill show you my maps ). As for Palestinians i hope one day they do get their state but not under a group terrorists group like Hamas.
Ventei wrote:Grays Harbor wrote: i have better things to do than continue to point out reality to a blithering idiot racist such as yourself. I point out facts, you spew racist propoganda.
Your ignorance is truly frightening!
The racists here is israel and zionists; creating a 'state' based on the exclusive benefit of one ethnic group, whilst prejudicing against all others especially Arabs [the natives] both muslim and christian. The Arab inhabitants of israel are treated worst than second class citizens, worst that people of colour in america during segregation. Thats called an APARTHEID REGIME!
The only "blithering idiot racist" is you, for defending zionism. You sad sick person.
PS. "facts" ... what facts ? I haven't heard one fact nor credible claim from you yet! Just unsubstantiated opinions coming from you. I cite scholars [such as Dr. Sultana Afroz ], UN resolutions and documentaries; what have you cited?
by Ventei » Mon May 18, 2009 11:56 am
Dr Horrible Land wrote:Arabs are originally from the arabian peninsula. they are not the "natives" of the region in dispute. Get your facts straight.
Orwelliad wrote:the Jews deserved a country after all the crap they went trough in the hands of the Europeans, not just Hitler and his merry band of stinky Nazis, but also the inquisitions, and the hatred that was pretty much common place in europe, so yes, they deserved a country. Do the Arabs deserve the land where they used to live? yes! i would also be pissed if someone came and took my home.
Orwelliad wrote:In fact all sides were completly wrong, Jews and Arabs actually did´nt get along badly before.
by Yootopia » Mon May 18, 2009 11:56 am
Nvad wrote:I love how this turned from a political debate into one which emphasizes the 'true' owners of the land...
And then spiraled into a religious rampage.
by Dvardis » Mon May 18, 2009 12:07 pm
Ventei wrote:Not Judaism the problem, Not Islam the problem ... the problem is zionism ! only zionism! And it is Britain fault, its legacy of double dealing, deceit, duplicity and subversion in order to win the First World War that has caused this horrible problem.
by Yootopia » Mon May 18, 2009 12:07 pm
Ventai wrote:Orwelliad raises a good point, the jews went through a alot of suffering or as he puts it 'crap', but here is the key point, at who's hands did the jews experience all their suffering ? - The Europeans !
It is quite clear & undisputed! So since that is the case, why didn't the European slice off piece of their continent's territory and give it to the jews as reparation payment for the crimes they committed against them?
But oh no, can't do that, they had to take the Arab's land and give them, when the Arabs didn't do anything, and weren't responsible for the holocaust nor the inquisition. Punish the Arabs for europeans' crimes; thats fair...
Orwelliad is right again, there was no congenital hatred nor anamosity between Arabs and Jews before 1917.
All the problems started with British double dealing, deceit, duplicity and subversion in order to win the First World War with deals like the Hussein-McMahon correspondence in which Britain PROMISED the Arabs support for an independent state of Arabia if they revolted against Ottoman rule. Whilst 6 months later, the British & French secretly agreed to slice up the territories of the Ottoman Empire when it was defeated, dismembering Arabia and ensuring Arab disunity and infighting.
And at the same time, concocting the Balfour Declaration to enlist the support of the world jewry for the Allied cause - especially to bring America into the war and keep Russia in the war, by promising "the creation of a national homeland for the jews in the land of Palestine" whilst describing the vast Arab population of Palestine as simply non-jewish.
And the architect of said declaration - the British Foreign Secretary - Lord Arthur James Balfour said at the Versailles peace conference - "the great powers are committed to zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, ... it is a far profounder import than the rights of the 700,000 Arabs that know inhabit that ancient land."
[/quote]Not Judaism the problem, Not Islam the problem ... the problem is zionism ! only zionism! And it is Britain fault, its legacy of double dealing, deceit, duplicity and subversion in order to win the First World War that has caused this horrible problem.
by Dvardis » Mon May 18, 2009 12:11 pm
Yootopia wrote:Zionism is not uniquely British. Adolphe Crémieux was a fan of Zionism, and that was fifty years previous to the Great War. Alliance Israélite Universelle and all that.
by Yootopia » Mon May 18, 2009 12:12 pm
Dvardis wrote:The British are nevertheless to blame! Remember who ruled Palestine before it became a Jewish state, after all. Since the Jews and the Arabs never fought at all before the 1948 war, clearly the British Mandate must have caused tensions between them to rise!
In my next essay I clearly prove that Great Britain was responsible for the Second World War, coming soon to a message board near you!
by World Vision » Mon May 18, 2009 12:37 pm
by World Vision » Mon May 18, 2009 12:41 pm
Dvardis wrote:Yootopia wrote:Zionism is not uniquely British. Adolphe Crémieux was a fan of Zionism, and that was fifty years previous to the Great War. Alliance Israélite Universelle and all that.
The British are nevertheless to blame! Remember who ruled Palestine before it became a Jewish state, after all. Since the Jews and the Arabs never fought at all before the 1948 war, clearly the British Mandate must have caused tensions between them to rise!
In my next essay I clearly prove that Great Britain was responsible for the Second World War, coming soon to a message board near you!
by Orwelliad » Mon May 18, 2009 12:48 pm
by Dvardis » Mon May 18, 2009 12:55 pm
World Vision wrote:Dvardis wrote:Yootopia wrote:Zionism is not uniquely British. Adolphe Crémieux was a fan of Zionism, and that was fifty years previous to the Great War. Alliance Israélite Universelle and all that.
The British are nevertheless to blame! Remember who ruled Palestine before it became a Jewish state, after all. Since the Jews and the Arabs never fought at all before the 1948 war, clearly the British Mandate must have caused tensions between them to rise!
In my next essay I clearly prove that Great Britain was responsible for the Second World War, coming soon to a message board near you!
Britain and the US are responsible for all the ills in the world. Palestine was occupied illegally by Britain in order to steal the oil there. When they discovered that there were no oil reserves, they abandoned the area to the Zionists, forsaking the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people.
by Oyen » Mon May 18, 2009 1:31 pm
by Yootopia » Mon May 18, 2009 1:39 pm
Oyen wrote:Aight i know a way to shut you guys up(you know who you are), Any one want to have an open debate with me basically me defending the Israelis, and You(who ever accepts my challenge) defending the palestinians and arabs.
Ill challenge any one here to try and beat me in who is really right in the Israeli conflict.
PS: A Friendly debate, dont get angry if you lose
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