International Coalition for Expansion [MT|Open]

[Leberly]

Nation Name: Republic of Leberly
National Leader(s): Premier Stalin II
National/Most Common Religion: none
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.)
Is every citizen given equal opportunities in society, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, political views, etc.? This question is redundant. There's no such thing as rights specific to certain groups. They're based on the individual. The idea that ICE plays identity politics is despicable.
Are the basic civil liberties and fundamental rights of LGBT citizens protected by law? Homosexuals are not considered human beings in our country
Are your citizens free to practice any religion they please? lol
Military Strength: 50 million
Main Infantry Weapon: AK-47
Main Battle Tank: http://www.supercheats.com/xbox360/guid ... wraith.jpg
Main Fighter Plane: No
Main Naval Warships: Yes
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 10x60mm and 5.56 NATO
Military Service Branches: 4
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) maybe
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x39mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Such a switch would have such massive impacts on our military that it would be unfeasible. It would involve spending money on switching the service rifle or heavily modifiying it and its action (potentially so much to the point where we would have to change massive portions of the weapon). Additionally, money would have to be dumped into retraining all of our personnel on the new system and radically throwing out, to complete waste, all existing logistical supply lines. All of this for a small performance increase.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: If we are accepted, it will be considered.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: none
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations. Please specify amount) 9,139,192,125,915 Leberlian Slits (approx $1.99 USD)
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: (all rifles/LMGs etc. should be chambered for 6.5 Grendel/ICE) 9000 AK-47s if they are rechambered by someone else or by ICE
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) not right now
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) tropical training
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: beach
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We firmly believe that countries around the world should dismantle their oppressive governments and establish free and representative governing systems.
Membership Type: (Humanitarian, Security, Full/Dual) full-duel
RP Examples:
viewtopic.php?p=15162660#p15162660
viewtopic.php?p=15162572#p15162572
viewtopic.php?p=15162677#p15162677

[Saigonias]

Nation Name: Saigonias
National Leader(s): President William Smith
National/Most Common Religion: Christianity
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.): Socialist Democracy
Is every citizen given equal opportunities in society, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, political views, etc.? Y/N: Yes
Are the basic civil liberties and fundamental rights of LGBT citizens protected by law? Y/N: Yes
Are your citizens free to practice any religion they please? Y/N: Yes
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one): http://www.nationstates.net/nation=saig ... k/id=79048
Main Infantry Weapon: M4 Carbine
Main Battle Tank: M1 Abrams
Main Fighter Plane: F-22 Raptor
Main Naval Warships: Destroyer
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) .223 Cal
Military Service Branches: Army, Air force, Navy, Special Operations, Recon, Marine
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A): Bullet Proof Vest, Protection glasses.
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x39mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever): Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes, as long as the cause is just.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: Red Cross
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations. Please specify amount): Yes, 5.4 Million NSD
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: 2 crates of morphine and 3 crates of various anti-venoms
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.): I am in need of extra troops for protection against hostile neighboring nations.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.): Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: In extreme areas, we prefer colder places, elevation does not matter, but we would cooperate either way.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We are surrounded by highly hostile areas, one an anarchy, one a ran by a genocidal maniac, and one a corporate invader but we are also accompanied by 2 friendly nations. Our main support will be humanitarian aide but we can also make a significant difference in your military forces as well.
Membership Type: (Humanitarian, Security, Full/Dual) Humanitarian and Security.

[Erucia]

*snip*

1.) You refused to fill out the government type.
2.) Isn't there an ICE charter that requires that people of all groups (LGBT in this case) are considered and treated fairly as human beings?
3.) You have a population of 5 million and a military of 50 million. Does this sound off to anyone?
4.) The AK-47 is not a suitable weapon by modern military standards; the sodding thing was a prototype weapon, for God's sake.
5.) You lack freedom of religion in your country.
6.) You're actually supposed to list your main naval warships...
7.) Maybe is your answer for body armor?! This isn't a game show!
8.) List your darned service branches.
9.) Is this seriously a joke? Two dollars to the Humanitarian Branch?
10.) "Beach" is not a climate.
11.) Full-Duel is not a single membership.
12.) Once again, is this even a serious application?

[Saigonias]

*snip*

1.) You refused to fill out the government type.
2.) Isn't there an ICE charter that requires that people of all groups (LGBT in this case) are considered and treated fairly as human beings?
3.) You have a population of 5 million and a military of 50 million. Does this sound off to anyone?
4.) The AK-47 is not a suitable weapon by modern military standards; the sodding thing was a prototype weapon, for God's sake.
5.) You lack freedom of religion in your country.
6.) You're actually supposed to list your main naval warships...
7.) Maybe is your answer for body armor?! This isn't a game show!
8.) List your darned service branches.
9.) Is this seriously a joke? Two dollars to the Humanitarian Branch?
10.) "Beach" is not a climate.
11.) Full-Duel is not a single membership.
12.) Once again, is this even a serious application?

OOC: It obviously isn't serious

[Phonencia]

Nation Name: Republic of Leberly
National Leader(s): Premier Stalin II
National/Most Common Religion: none
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.)
Is every citizen given equal opportunities in society, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, political views, etc.? This question is redundant. There's no such thing as rights specific to certain groups. They're based on the individual. The idea that ICE plays identity politics is despicable.
Are the basic civil liberties and fundamental rights of LGBT citizens protected by law? Homosexuals are not considered human beings in our country
Are your citizens free to practice any religion they please? lol
Military Strength: 50 million
Main Infantry Weapon: AK-47
Main Battle Tank: http://www.supercheats.com/xbox360/guid ... wraith.jpg
Main Fighter Plane: No
Main Naval Warships: Yes
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 10x60mm and 5.56 NATO
Military Service Branches: 4
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) maybe
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x39mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Such a switch would have such massive impacts on our military that it would be unfeasible. It would involve spending money on switching the service rifle or heavily modifiying it and its action (potentially so much to the point where we would have to change massive portions of the weapon). Additionally, money would have to be dumped into retraining all of our personnel on the new system and radically throwing out, to complete waste, all existing logistical supply lines. All of this for a small performance increase.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: If we are accepted, it will be considered.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: none
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations. Please specify amount) 9,139,192,125,915 Leberlian Slits (approx $1.99 USD)
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: (all rifles/LMGs etc. should be chambered for 6.5 Grendel/ICE) 9000 AK-47s if they are rechambered by someone else or by ICE
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) not right now
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) tropical training
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: beach
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We firmly believe that countries around the world should dismantle their oppressive governments and establish free and representative governing systems.
Membership Type: (Humanitarian, Security, Full/Dual) full-duel
RP Examples:
viewtopic.php?p=15162660#p15162660
viewtopic.php?p=15162572#p15162572
viewtopic.php?p=15162677#p15162677

Not in the mood for this. Leave. Now.

[The Keystone Federation]

Nation Name: Republic of Leberly
National Leader(s): Premier Stalin II
National/Most Common Religion: none
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.)
Is every citizen given equal opportunities in society, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, political views, etc.? This question is redundant. There's no such thing as rights specific to certain groups. They're based on the individual. The idea that ICE plays identity politics is despicable.
Are the basic civil liberties and fundamental rights of LGBT citizens protected by law? Homosexuals are not considered human beings in our country
Are your citizens free to practice any religion they please? lol
Military Strength: 50 million
Main Infantry Weapon: AK-47
Main Battle Tank: http://www.supercheats.com/xbox360/guid ... wraith.jpg
Main Fighter Plane: No
Main Naval Warships: Yes
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 10x60mm and 5.56 NATO
Military Service Branches: 4
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) maybe
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x39mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Such a switch would have such massive impacts on our military that it would be unfeasible. It would involve spending money on switching the service rifle or heavily modifiying it and its action (potentially so much to the point where we would have to change massive portions of the weapon). Additionally, money would have to be dumped into retraining all of our personnel on the new system and radically throwing out, to complete waste, all existing logistical supply lines. All of this for a small performance increase.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: If we are accepted, it will be considered.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: none
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations. Please specify amount) 9,139,192,125,915 Leberlian Slits (approx $1.99 USD)
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: (all rifles/LMGs etc. should be chambered for 6.5 Grendel/ICE) 9000 AK-47s if they are rechambered by someone else or by ICE
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) not right now
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) tropical training
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: beach
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We firmly believe that countries around the world should dismantle their oppressive governments and establish free and representative governing systems.
Membership Type: (Humanitarian, Security, Full/Dual) full-duel
RP Examples:
viewtopic.php?p=15162660#p15162660
viewtopic.php?p=15162572#p15162572
viewtopic.php?p=15162677#p15162677

Not in the mood for this. Leave. Now.

*sigh* I hate people

[Saigonias]

But can I be accepted instead of pointing out the obvious troll application? Not to be rude of course.

[The Keystone Federation]

But can I be accepted instead of pointing out the obvious troll application? Not to be rude of course.

Not as if I have a say in these things, but I'd give you my vote. Though, you might want to fill in the TRC in the "Are you apart of any other Alliances" part.

[Saigonias]

But can I be accepted instead of pointing out the obvious troll application? Not to be rude of course.

Not as if I have a say in these things, but I'd give you my vote. Though, you might want to fill in the TRC in the "Are you apart of any other Alliances" part.

Oh, that was actually right before I joined the Red Cross, I forgot to update it. I'm stupid, sorry. lol

[Ascelonia]

1.) You refused to fill out the government type.
2.) Isn't there an ICE charter that requires that people of all groups (LGBT in this case) are considered and treated fairly as human beings?
3.) You have a population of 5 million and a military of 50 million. Does this sound off to anyone?
4.) The AK-47 is not a suitable weapon by modern military standards; the sodding thing was a prototype weapon, for God's sake.
5.) You lack freedom of religion in your country.
6.) You're actually supposed to list your main naval warships...
7.) Maybe is your answer for body armor?! This isn't a game show!
8.) List your darned service branches.
9.) Is this seriously a joke? Two dollars to the Humanitarian Branch?
10.) "Beach" is not a climate.
11.) Full-Duel is not a single membership.
12.) Once again, is this even a serious application?

1. I don't see why it's necessary to treat a new RPer with hostility and accuse him of being a troll. It's clear that he needs help developing his RP skills. Moreover, not everyone can afford to outfit their soldiers with the most modern equipment. Maybe if ICE got out of their ivory caseless telescoped towers of privilege, they'd be able to understand that an overmilitarized 5 million man nation can't afford to equip their people with AKMs.

2. Maybe if you guys tried to think beyond your palaces, mansions, and presidential estates, you'd see that hyperinflation has ruined his nation's economy. For just one dollar a day, you can feed a Leberlian child, the two dollars he plans on sending your humanitarian branch would mean that two children in his country will starve.

3. Maybe you guys should stop trying to forcefeed your Western ideals to struggling third world nations like his. What's more important, feeding his people or forcing them to accept vague concepts like human rights? Yes, I'm sure teaching them time-tested values such as freedom of religion and LGBT rights is more important than improving farming techniques, developing water conservation, or learning proper resource management. ICE clearly sees what's important here.

4. I don't see why you're being so condescending to someone who's clearly new. He has a whopping total of 3 posts. I'm pretty sure some of you were once just like him. Some of you still are.

[Saigonias]

3. Maybe you guys should stop trying to forcefeed your Western ideals to struggling third world nations like his. What's more important, feeding his people or forcing them to accept vague concepts like human rights? Yes, I'm sure teaching them time-tested values such as freedom of religion and LGBT rights is more important than improving farming techniques, developing water conservation, or learning proper resource management. ICE clearly sees what's important here.

We would be setting up hospitals and schools and whatnot so maybe they could learn how to improve farming and resource management.

[The Keystone Federation]

1.) You refused to fill out the government type.
2.) Isn't there an ICE charter that requires that people of all groups (LGBT in this case) are considered and treated fairly as human beings?
3.) You have a population of 5 million and a military of 50 million. Does this sound off to anyone?
4.) The AK-47 is not a suitable weapon by modern military standards; the sodding thing was a prototype weapon, for God's sake.
5.) You lack freedom of religion in your country.
6.) You're actually supposed to list your main naval warships...
7.) Maybe is your answer for body armor?! This isn't a game show!
8.) List your darned service branches.
9.) Is this seriously a joke? Two dollars to the Humanitarian Branch?
10.) "Beach" is not a climate.
11.) Full-Duel is not a single membership.
12.) Once again, is this even a serious application?

1. I don't see why it's necessary to treat a new RPer with hostility and accuse him of being a troll. It's clear that he needs help developing his RP skills. Moreover, not everyone can afford to outfit their soldiers with the most modern equipment. Maybe if ICE got out of their ivory caseless telescoped towers of privilege, they'd be able to understand that an overmilitarized 5 million man nation can't afford to equip their people with AKMs.

2. Maybe if you guys tried to think beyond your palaces, mansions, and presidential estates, you'd see that hyperinflation has ruined his nation's economy. For just one dollar a day, you can feed a Leberlian child, the two dollars he plans on sending your humanitarian branch would mean that two children in his country will starve.

3. Maybe you guys should stop trying to forcefeed your Western ideals to struggling third world nations like his. What's more important, feeding his people or forcing them to accept vague concepts like human rights? Yes, I'm sure teaching them time-tested values such as freedom of religion and LGBT rights is more important than improving farming techniques, developing water conservation, or learning proper resource management. ICE clearly sees what's important here.

4. I don't see why you're being so condescending to someone who's clearly new. He has a whopping total of 3 posts. I'm pretty sure some of you were once just like him. Some of you still are.

Third world nation? He has 50 million military personnel..that is a pretty damn well off third world nation.

[Erucia]

1. I don't see why it's necessary to treat a new RPer with hostility and accuse him of being a troll. It's clear that he needs help developing his RP skills. Moreover, not everyone can afford to outfit their soldiers with the most modern equipment. Maybe if ICE got out of their ivory caseless telescoped towers of privilege, they'd be able to understand that an overmilitarized 5 million man nation can't afford to equip their people with AKMs.

2. Maybe if you guys tried to think beyond your palaces, mansions, and presidential estates, you'd see that hyperinflation has ruined his nation's economy. For just one dollar a day, you can feed a Leberlian child, the two dollars he plans on sending your humanitarian branch would mean that two children in his country will starve.

3. Maybe you guys should stop trying to forcefeed your Western ideals to struggling third world nations like his. What's more important, feeding his people or forcing them to accept vague concepts like human rights? Yes, I'm sure teaching them time-tested values such as freedom of religion and LGBT rights is more important than improving farming techniques, developing water conservation, or learning proper resource management. ICE clearly sees what's important here.

4. I don't see why you're being so condescending to someone who's clearly new. He has a whopping total of 3 posts. I'm pretty sure some of you were once just like him. Some of you still are.

1.) Are you really coming in here and accusing us of being imperialists and elitists? Are you even part of ICE?
2.) Perhaps you would recognize that, if you decided to read into his background application and do research into his country, (as pointed out) his population of 5 million appears to draw from a 45-million-man mercenary force. If he listed his real population, perhaps it could be forgiven.
3.) Dear God, how elitist are you? You're coming in here calling us Western Imperialists and defending him as a struggling third world country whose debt is probably caused by their 50 million man military that uses sodding Wraith tanks from Halo.
4.) Why on Earth are you coming in here and bickering about how we're judging an applicant? S/He knows what s/he's getting into here.

[Saigonias]

1. I don't see why it's necessary to treat a new RPer with hostility and accuse him of being a troll. It's clear that he needs help developing his RP skills. Moreover, not everyone can afford to outfit their soldiers with the most modern equipment. Maybe if ICE got out of their ivory caseless telescoped towers of privilege, they'd be able to understand that an overmilitarized 5 million man nation can't afford to equip their people with AKMs.

2. Maybe if you guys tried to think beyond your palaces, mansions, and presidential estates, you'd see that hyperinflation has ruined his nation's economy. For just one dollar a day, you can feed a Leberlian child, the two dollars he plans on sending your humanitarian branch would mean that two children in his country will starve.

3. Maybe you guys should stop trying to forcefeed your Western ideals to struggling third world nations like his. What's more important, feeding his people or forcing them to accept vague concepts like human rights? Yes, I'm sure teaching them time-tested values such as freedom of religion and LGBT rights is more important than improving farming techniques, developing water conservation, or learning proper resource management. ICE clearly sees what's important here.

4. I don't see why you're being so condescending to someone who's clearly new. He has a whopping total of 3 posts. I'm pretty sure some of you were once just like him. Some of you still are.

1.) Are you really coming in here and accusing us of being imperialists and elitists? Are you even part of ICE?
2.) Perhaps you would recognize that, if you decided to read into his background application and do research into his country, (as pointed out) his population of 5 million appears to draw from a 45-million-man mercenary force. If he listed his real population, perhaps it could be forgiven.
3.) Dear God, how elitist are you? You're coming in here calling us Western Imperialists and defending him as a struggling third world country whose debt is probably caused by their 50 million man military that uses sodding Wraith tanks from Halo.
4.) Why on Earth are you coming in here and bickering about how we're judging an applicant? S/He knows what s/he's getting into here.

You British?

[Erucia]

You British?

'Naw, man. American.

But I do enjoy the phrase "sodding." Came from British TV, I suppose.

[Saigonias]

1.) You refused to fill out the government type.
2.) Isn't there an ICE charter that requires that people of all groups (LGBT in this case) are considered and treated fairly as human beings?
3.) You have a population of 5 million and a military of 50 million. Does this sound off to anyone?
4.) The AK-47 is not a suitable weapon by modern military standards; the sodding thing was a prototype weapon, for God's sake.
5.) You lack freedom of religion in your country.
6.) You're actually supposed to list your main naval warships...
7.) Maybe is your answer for body armor?! This isn't a game show!
8.) List your darned service branches.
9.) Is this seriously a joke? Two dollars to the Humanitarian Branch?
10.) "Beach" is not a climate.
11.) Full-Duel is not a single membership.
12.) Once again, is this even a serious application?

1. I don't see why it's necessary to treat a new RPer with hostility and accuse him of being a troll. It's clear that he needs help developing his RP skills. Moreover, not everyone can afford to outfit their soldiers with the most modern equipment. Maybe if ICE got out of their ivory caseless telescoped towers of privilege, they'd be able to understand that an overmilitarized 5 million man nation can't afford to equip their people with AKMs.

2. Maybe if you guys tried to think beyond your palaces, mansions, and presidential estates, you'd see that hyperinflation has ruined his nation's economy. For just one dollar a day, you can feed a Leberlian child, the two dollars he plans on sending your humanitarian branch would mean that two children in his country will starve.

3. Maybe you guys should stop trying to forcefeed your Western ideals to struggling third world nations like his. What's more important, feeding his people or forcing them to accept vague concepts like human rights? Yes, I'm sure teaching them time-tested values such as freedom of religion and LGBT rights is more important than improving farming techniques, developing water conservation, or learning proper resource management. ICE clearly sees what's important here.

4. I don't see why you're being so condescending to someone who's clearly new. He has a whopping total of 3 posts. I'm pretty sure some of you were once just like him. Some of you still are.

You can tell by his structure he didn't care. He used derogatory insults, netspeak, and refused to answer a lot of the questions and answered even more wrong.

[Ascelonia]

1.) Are you really coming in here and accusing us of being imperialists and elitists? Are you even part of ICE?
2.) Perhaps you would recognize that, if you decided to read into his background application and do research into his country, (as pointed out) his population of 5 million appears to draw from a 45-million-man mercenary force. If he listed his real population, perhaps it could be forgiven.
3.) Dear God, how elitist are you? You're coming in here calling us Western Imperialists and defending him as a struggling third world country whose debt is probably caused by their 50 million man military that uses sodding Wraith tanks from Halo.
4.) Why on Earth are you coming in here and bickering about how we're judging an applicant? S/He knows what s/he's getting into here.

1. Funny, you question my abilities to read and research. Yet, you have to ask me these questions.

2. I'm well aware of the situation. Again, instead of acting condescending and arrogant, you could've tried educating him.

3. I refer you to three of your points based around his inability to protect human rights in his country or contribute to your humanitarian branch. It's clear that he's taken enormous steps to request acceptance into the alliance since he's willing to starve his people further for the advancement of your alliance's perverted idea of humanitarianism.

2.) Isn't there an ICE charter that requires that people of all groups (LGBT in this case) are considered and treated fairly as human beings?
5.) You lack freedom of religion in your country.
9.) Is this seriously a joke? Two dollars to the Humanitarian Branch?

4. I'm judging your treatment, because I'm trying to teach you all people skills. I know this may be hard for you to understand, but Leberly is new to RP and he could use more direction. Bashing him doesn't make him a better RPer and it clearly hasn't benefitted your membership either.

You can tell by his structure he didn't care. He used derogatory insults, netspeak, and refused to answer a lot of the questions and answered even more wrong.

Honestly, I thought he exposed several flaws in your application form.

[Erucia]

1. Funny, you question my abilities to read and research. Yet, you have to ask me these questions.

2. I'm well aware of the situation. Again, instead of acting condescending and arrogant, you could've tried educating him.

3. I refer you to three of your points based around his inability to protect human rights in his country or contribute to your humanitarian branch. It's clear that he's taken enormous steps to request acceptance into the alliance since he's willing to starve his people further for the advancement of your alliance's perverted idea of humanitarianism.

4. I'm judging your treatment, because I'm trying to teach you all people skills. I know this may be hard for you to understand, but Leberly is new to RP and he could use more direction. Bashing him doesn't make him a better RPer and it clearly hasn't benefitted your membership either.

You can tell by his structure he didn't care. He used derogatory insults, netspeak, and refused to answer a lot of the questions and answered even more wrong.

Honestly, I thought he exposed several flaws in your application form.

1.) Why are you dancing around my supposed "ask you for help" statement? This isn't anywhere; nowhere did I ever ask you to give me help in research?
2.) Perhaps it is wrong of me to be harsh, yes; however, you continue to hypocritically act self-righteously while accusing myself and other members of ICE of doing exactly that.
3.) Where did you get the idea he wants to starve his population to get into ICE? He's been doing it anyway.
4.) I understand he is a bad RPer; why are you seemingly obsessed with "making us all better people?"

[Ascelonia]

1.) Why are you dancing around my supposed "ask you for help" statement? This isn't anywhere; nowhere did I ever ask you to give me help in research?
2.) Perhaps it is wrong of me to be harsh, yes; however, you continue to hypocritically act self-righteously while accusing myself and other members of ICE of doing exactly that.
3.) Where did you get the idea he wants to starve his population to get into ICE? He's been doing it anyway.
4.) I understand he is a bad RPer; why are you seemingly obsessed with "making us all better people?"

The fact that you cannot understand why someone would go out of their way to help another person better him/herself illustrates the fundamental flaws in the thought process of ICE's membership. It's clear to me that none of you have any concept of altruism and only pretend to empathize with the impoverished and oppressed out of sociopathic self-interest.

You attack new members and you attack people who try to help you. ICE is an incredibly isolationist and elitist organization dedicated to filling its coffers with blood money from exploited member states whose people suffer from crippling poverty. Its armies march over the corpses of famished children in third world countries who slave away at assembly lines to meet production quotas for their unique 6.5x39mm notGrendel ammo.

ICE's archenemies are supposedly Ralkovia, Milograd, and UWO. Now that I've seen how ICE members act towards applicants, I fail to see how their conception of human rights and compassion differ from their sworn enemies.

[The Keystone Federation]

1.) Why are you dancing around my supposed "ask you for help" statement? This isn't anywhere; nowhere did I ever ask you to give me help in research?
2.) Perhaps it is wrong of me to be harsh, yes; however, you continue to hypocritically act self-righteously while accusing myself and other members of ICE of doing exactly that.
3.) Where did you get the idea he wants to starve his population to get into ICE? He's been doing it anyway.
4.) I understand he is a bad RPer; why are you seemingly obsessed with "making us all better people?"

The fact that you cannot understand why someone would go out of their way to help another person better him/herself illustrates the fundamental flaws in the thought process of ICE's membership. It's clear to me that none of you have any concept of altruism and only pretend to empathize with the impoverished and oppressed out of sociopathic self-interest.

You attack new members and you attack people who try to help you. ICE is an incredibly isolationist and elitist organization dedicated to filling its coffers with blood money from exploited member states whose people suffer from crippling poverty. Its armies march over the corpses of famished children in third world countries who slave away at assembly lines to meet production quotas for their unique 6.5x39mm notGrendel ammo.

ICE's archenemies are supposedly Ralkovia, Milograd, and UWO. Now that I've seen how ICE members act towards applicants, I fail to see how their conception of human rights and compassion differ from their sworn enemies.

Hey dude, ICE decides who comes in and who doesn't, if he's denied, he's denied, stop getting so butthurt and find someone else to badger.

[Erucia]

The fact that you cannot understand why someone would go out of their way to help another person better him/herself illustrates the fundamental flaws in the thought process of ICE's membership. It's clear to me that none of you have any concept of altruism and only pretend to empathize with the impoverished and oppressed out of sociopathic self-interest.

You attack new members and you attack people who try to help you. ICE is an incredibly isolationist and elitist organization dedicated to filling its coffers with blood money from exploited member states whose people suffer from crippling poverty. Its armies march over the corpses of famished children in third world countries who slave away at assembly lines to meet production quotas for their unique 6.5x39mm notGrendel ammo.

ICE's archenemies are supposedly Ralkovia, Milograd, and UWO. Now that I've seen how ICE members act towards applicants, I fail to see how their conception of human rights and compassion differ from their sworn enemies.

And what do you wish to seek by slandering our name? Do you simply prefer to go about and critique organizations for their OOC application decisions? Are you simply the authority for judging all fake international organizations?

The applicant who I attack is not even a member. He made a subpar, absolute joke of an application (that I have seenthe likes of before). I am attacking you because you seek to undermine me and the people of the organization for holding standards, and for wishing that we would abandon our beliefs about writing and our laid-out standards. You are not here to help, you are here to undermine us for not wishing to accept everyone into a casual and friendly alliance of self-proclaimed good writers.

When on Earth have we marched across third-world nations? Our operations have lead us against the ACA and through first-world countries being invaded for their democratic beliefs (the war in Afalia). All costs involving rechambering to 6.5mm are covered by ICE, something that the applicant didn't bother to discover.

You finally don't seem to understand that you are intruding in the business of a fake RPing alliance. Why should we listen to you? Why are you posting here? Why do you hold us all to your blind standards?

[Virana]

As a former member of the ICE Security Council, I'd like to make a statement here regarding this. I don't think Ascelonia is attacking the denial itself, but rather the method it was carried out. Back when I was in charge of this stuff, I wouldn't ever go near such an inflammatory method of denying someone who obviously doesn't know what they're doing.

To be honest, it wasn't even an official denial because, unless I'm mistaken, Erucia doesn't have the responsibility to accept of deny people. Instead, it was blatantly attacking a new player. If I was still second in command of this alliance, I'd probably discuss the situation with the parties involved in a non inflammatory way.

No offense to any of the members of this alliance, but I'm actually agreeing with a lot that Asc is saying. The response to the application was, in my honest opinion, far out of line and unnecessary. Was the application bad? Yes. Did it warrant such an unprofessional response? No.

If this was still my responsibility, I'd have told the guy something like " denied, you just have to improve your RPing." Why? Because people who I'd say that to often would try hard and get better.

Instead, you've demoralized the poor kid. Great conduct.

[Erucia]

*snip*

*Ahem*

I must admit, this is amongst the hardest things for me to write, but I feel that it is necessary. Seeing this response from one of the RP'ers I admire the most is absolutely eye-opening and serves to embarrass me. However, I feel that that is totally necessary.

My conduct was, in retrospect, absolutely rude; I feel that my only reasoning for my writing was that I felt that the applicant (Leberly) had made something that was meant as a joke because of the occasional use of slang and anti-ICE wording in a single sentence. I feel that this does not excuse my actions in writing such immature responses as "This isn't a game show" and "Is this seriously a joke," nor does it excuse that I decided that it was necessary to create an entire list of things I felt was wrong with the application,

I have absolutely no desire to defend my actions any longer; while I feel that I should have made a response to the application as a member of the organization, my desire to explain my reasoning in-detail instead created a bully of a post that would absolutely drive away any possible new member.

@Ascelonia, I immediately and thoroughly wish to apologize sincerely for my writings to you. While I have felt that your approach into the discussion was in-itself rude, it was certainly justified and your points 100% valid. You pointed out that I simply attacked an applicant out of spite, and you are 100% right.

@Leberly: I ask that you allow me to please take those words back. My behavior was inexcusable and rude; I felt that I could somehow show off the mistakes in the application, yet it turned simply into my own arrogance. It took someone I really respect coming out and verbally slapping me to recognize this.

My own history of RP'ing wasn't perfect; I started out my very first post with barely a full paragraph. I looked towards those around me for help in making longer and more interesting posts, and they helped. If they had done what I have done tonight, I perhaps never would have gotten better.

I truly mean what I have said, but I'm afraid that I might not be able to convey my own apology in mere internet writings. However, I want to publicly recognize that I have done wrong. I want to improve my ability to help others be better at RP'ing. As someone who operates an RP'ing thread, I want to be able to make amends and to pay back those who helped me way back when.

@Leberly/Ascelonia, I ask you both to read this. Again, what I did was inexcusable and may have just ruined someone's view of myself, ICE and RP'ing on NS in general.

[First Valerian Empire]

As the Empire is beefing up it's navy in preparation for conflict in the region of Aurora, the Emperor has seen fit to strengthen our ties to the noble organization known as ICE. Therefore we will be helping to ensure that ICE receives all or most of the items on it's wishlist.

Namely,


Several more cargo freighters
Atleast three thousand more peacekeepers
300,000 more tonnes of medical supplies and equipment
Armored Units [Light tanks, APC's, IFV's]


The Imperial Navy will be working with military contractors in the future to produce the necessary freighters for the alliance as well as the Empire.
The 10th Legion, will be assigned to ICE and ICE-related operations and based in Valyrian military bases housed in ICE member nations.
The Imperial Humanitarian Aid Society(IHAS) Will be working closely with the Valyrian Knights of the Temple or Knights Templar to provide the required medical support for sustained humanitarian aid overseas.
Armored units will be rotated out of the Imperial Army as it modernizes and the variety of older tanks are phased out in favor of newer post-2000 designs.

[Phonencia]

I side with Erucia. The application was immature and annoying (thus my response to it)

I usually try really hard not to pull the "I'm the founder!" card but today is a special occasion.

Ascelonia and Leberly are banned from the Coalition.