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Postby Ainin » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:42 am

Phing Phong wrote:For official purposes, is "Commonwealth of Aurentina" or "Aurentine Commonwealth" correct, or are both equally acceptable?

I think the former is the official one, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:43 am

Ainin wrote:
Phing Phong wrote:For official purposes, is "Commonwealth of Aurentina" or "Aurentine Commonwealth" correct, or are both equally acceptable?

I think the former is the official one, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I dont think either is technically correct one since as far as I know, we still haven't named our country.
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Postby Ainin » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:47 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Ainin wrote:I think the former is the official one, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I dont think either is technically correct one since as far as I know, we still haven't named our country.

Legally, we are Aurentina, since the International Law Act states:

The Senate of Aurentina,
Acknowledging...


Yay indirect references.
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Postby Britcan » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:48 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Ainin wrote:I think the former is the official one, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I dont think either is technically correct one since as far as I know, we still haven't named our country.

I think Aurentina has basically become the de facto name due to continued use and being called that in legislation.

This nation should not be taken to be representative of my real-life views, nor should any of the nonsense I posted on here as a teenager.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:48 am

Ainin wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:I dont think either is technically correct one since as far as I know, we still haven't named our country.

Legally, we are Aurentina, since the International Law Act states:

The Senate of Aurentina,
Acknowledging...


Yay indirect references.

Alternate way of interpreting that would be International Law Act doesn't apply here because it was acknowledged by senate of non-existent nation rather than by senate of this nation. :p
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Postby Ainin » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:51 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Ainin wrote:Legally, we are Aurentina, since the International Law Act states:

The Senate of Aurentina,
Acknowledging...


Yay indirect references.

Alternate way of interpreting that would be International Law Act doesn't apply here because it was acknowledged by senate of non-existent nation rather than by senate of this nation. :p

Bu...bu...bu...



Also, it refers to our nation as "the Commonwealth", pretty much confirming we are the Commonwealth of Aurentina.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:07 am

Herrebrugh wrote:I think this is the final draft, unless someone thinks there's something wrong with it:

National Symbols Act: Amendment 2
Urgency: Low


Drafted by: Jozef van Oostvoorne (Herrebrugh) [C]
Sponsored by: Fulflood [LDP], Hippostania [ANF], Liberated Counties [CFE], CTALNH [USLP], Ainin [TRP]

NOTING the absence of a national anthem:

AMENDS the National Symbols Act to include one.

NATIONAL ANTHEM shall be "Aurentina, Land of Liberty" written by Jozef van Oostvoorne on music by Ds. Marthinus Lourens de Villiers.

THE MELODY by M.L. de Villiers shall be as such: http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/362rkhh6b ... tini_1.mp3

THE LYRICS in English shall be as such:

"Over great and pristine mountains
Rising from our deep blue seas,
Lies our most beloved nation:
Aurentina, strong and free.

Let us strive to keep that freedom
Ever safe from tyranny,
And unite ourselves in labour
For the land of liberty.

That it may forever prosper,
So that we may prosper, too,
In our most beloved nation:
Aurentina, we love you!
"

THE LYRICS in Aurentine shall be as such:

"Över grot en prächter monten
Resend her wejs dep blaaw meer’n,
Lüg’ wejs lëefät näsioone:
Aurentina, stark en freer.

Wej träbör’n, tör häüd’ daat freihaid
Ältiid veig her törenë,
En ünid’ wejschälv in trëelböt
Voor de land wän libertë.

Det zet herältiid blövere,
So wej blövere ökreg,
In wejs lëefät näsioone:
Aurentina, wej lëef’ teg!
"

PREFERABLY, "Aurentina, Land of Liberty" shall be sung in both English and Aurentine. If, for whatever reason, it is impossible to comply to this, the English stanza shall be preferred.


Anyone else willing to sponsor this?
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Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


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Postby CTALNH » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:19 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:I think this is the final draft, unless someone thinks there's something wrong with it:

National Symbols Act: Amendment 2
Urgency: Low


Drafted by: Jozef van Oostvoorne (Herrebrugh) [C]
Sponsored by: Fulflood [LDP], Hippostania [ANF], Liberated Counties [CFE]

NOTING the absence of a national anthem:

AMENDS the National Symbols Act to include one.

NATIONAL ANTHEM shall be "Aurentina, Land of Liberty" written by Jozef van Oostvoorne on music by Ds. Marthinus Lourens de Villiers.

THE MELODY by M.L. de Villiers shall be as such: http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/k9wrjxgs97/aurentini_.mp3

THE LYRICS in English shall be as such:

"Over great and pristine mountains
Rising from our deep blue seas,
Lies our most beloved nation:
Aurentina, strong and free.

Let us strive to keep that freedom
Ever safe from tyranny,
And unite ourselves in labour
For the land of liberty.

That it may forever prosper,
So that we may prosper too,
In our most beloved nation:
Aurentina, we love you!
"

THE LYRICS in Aurentine shall be as such:

"Över grot en prächter monten
Resend her wejs dep blaaw meer’n,
Lüg’ wejs lëefät näsioone:
Aurentina, stark en freer.

Wej träbör’n, tör häüd’ daat freihaid
Ältiid veig her törenë,
En ünid’ wejschälv in trëelböt
Voor de land wän libertë.

Det zet herältiid blövere,
So wej blövere ökreg,
In wejs lëefät näsioone:
Aurentina, wej lëef’ teg!
"

PREFERABLY, "Aurentina, Land of Liberty" shall be sung in both English and Aurentine. If, for whatever reason, it is impossible to comply to this, the English stanza shall be preferred.


Anyone else willing to sponsor this?

Me
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:33 am

CTALNH wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Anyone else willing to sponsor this?

Me


Merci.

By the way, how many sponsors does a proposal need, and what is the proper procedure after this amount of sponsors has been reached?
Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


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Postby Ainin » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:34 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:I think this is the final draft, unless someone thinks there's something wrong with it:

National Symbols Act: Amendment 2
Urgency: Low


Drafted by: Jozef van Oostvoorne (Herrebrugh) [C]
Sponsored by: Fulflood [LDP], Hippostania [ANF], Liberated Counties [CFE], CTALNH [USLP]

NOTING the absence of a national anthem:

AMENDS the National Symbols Act to include one.

NATIONAL ANTHEM shall be "Aurentina, Land of Liberty" written by Jozef van Oostvoorne on music by Ds. Marthinus Lourens de Villiers.

THE MELODY by M.L. de Villiers shall be as such: http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/k9wrjxgs97/aurentini_.mp3

THE LYRICS in English shall be as such:

"Over great and pristine mountains
Rising from our deep blue seas,
Lies our most beloved nation:
Aurentina, strong and free.

Let us strive to keep that freedom
Ever safe from tyranny,
And unite ourselves in labour
For the land of liberty.

That it may forever prosper,
So that we may prosper too,
In our most beloved nation:
Aurentina, we love you!
"

THE LYRICS in Aurentine shall be as such:

"Över grot en prächter monten
Resend her wejs dep blaaw meer’n,
Lüg’ wejs lëefät näsioone:
Aurentina, stark en freer.

Wej träbör’n, tör häüd’ daat freihaid
Ältiid veig her törenë,
En ünid’ wejschälv in trëelböt
Voor de land wän libertë.

Det zet herältiid blövere,
So wej blövere ökreg,
In wejs lëefät näsioone:
Aurentina, wej lëef’ teg!
"

PREFERABLY, "Aurentina, Land of Liberty" shall be sung in both English and Aurentine. If, for whatever reason, it is impossible to comply to this, the English stanza shall be preferred.


Anyone else willing to sponsor this?

I will.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:03 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Me


Merci.

By the way, how many sponsors does a proposal need, and what is the proper procedure after this amount of sponsors has been reached?

5 sponsers then it goes to the chamber
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:04 am

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Merci.

By the way, how many sponsors does a proposal need, and what is the proper procedure after this amount of sponsors has been reached?

5 sponsers then it goes to the chamber


So... It just goes to the chamber? Or do I have to speak to someone first?
Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:06 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:5 sponsers then it goes to the chamber


So... It just goes to the chamber? Or do I have to speak to someone first?

Once it gets 5, just copy/paste it and post inside the chamber "this has gotten enough cosponsors to be added to queue
Spoiler x spoiler"
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The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
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I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:06 am

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
So... It just goes to the chamber? Or do I have to speak to someone first?

Once it gets 5, just copy/paste it and post inside the chamber "this has gotten enough cosponsors to be added to queue
Spoiler x spoiler"


Alright, thanks for the help :)
Uyt naem Zijner Majeſteyt Jozef III, bij de gratie Godts, Koningh der Herrebrugheylanden, Prins van Rheda, Heer van Jozefslandt, enz. enz. enz.
Im Namen Seiner Majeſtät Joſeph III., von Gottes Gnaden König der Herrenbrückinſeln, Prinz von Rheda, Herr von Josephsland etc. etc. etc.


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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:20 am

Universal Credit
Urgency: High| Drafted by: Great Nepal| Co-sponsors: Malgrave (USLP), Lemonius (C), Ainin (TR), Welsh Cowboy (IND), Geilinor (LD), Bleckonia (NCP)


Recognising that certain income is nessecery to survive, and this income must be guaranteed to every citizen while ensuring that work always pays and work is never disincentived. This, by power granted to this senate by the people, hereby enacts universal credit bill,
Section 1- Definition
When used in this act, following terms will have meaning as stated in this section and any other disputes as to meaning of terms shall be dealt with by Oxford dictionary (http://oxforddictionaries.com/))
Living income shall be defined as minimum income required for an individual to subsist.
Other income shall be defined as income an individual gets from any other source, except from universal credit.

Section 2 - Creation and Administration of Universal Credit System
a) Living wage commission shall be created, which shall be tasked with dividing the nation into "income zones", based on cost of living.
b) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with calculating living income for each income zone, which is to be updated every 31,536,000 seconds (1 year).
c) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with creating one claim form required to claim universal credit, this form shall be called "Universal Credit Claim Application - F".
d) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with authorising universal credit payments.
e) Universal credit payments shall be calculated as "UCP = LI - II", where UCP refers to universal credit payment, LI refers to living income calculated as established in section 2b, II refers to income of individual. If the value calculated is lower than zero, no universal credit payments will be made nor will any deductions be made.
f) Claimant of universal credit payment shall be required to fill out the "Universal Credit Claim Application - F" before payments are begun and this form must be filled out every year, or when there is any change in circumstances, which ever is earlier.
g) Universal credit payment shall be paid into private bank account, which claimant will be required to have.
h) No further payments shall be granted by future bills, unless such benefit is for shall be pregnant women, carers, disabled and war veterans.
i) Claimant must be a permanent resident in Aurentina or its dependencies.

Section 3 - Declaration and Fraud
a) All claimants of universal credit payments shall be required to declare their total other income as part of the form mentioned in section 2. This must be done every three months, or when there is change in income, which ever is earlier.
b) Failure to comply with section 3a or section 2f, within fifteen days of the change shall be considered fraud of second degree.
i) If wrongfully claimed amount is below £7500, this shall be considered delict and punishable by prison sentence between two and seven years and fine equivalent to 200% of the payments made to individual by living wage commission.
ii) If wrongfully claimed amount exceeds £7500, this shall be considered felony and punishable by fine equivalent to 200% of the payments made to individual by living wage commission upto £1,000,000 and appropriate prison sentence as established by judicial act.

c) Providing living wage commission with false information or failure to comply with section 3a or section 2f within ninety days of the change shall be considered serious fraud of first degree.
i) If wrongfully claimed amount is below £5000, this shall be considered delict and punishable by prison sentence between five and ten years and fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to individual by living wage commission.
ii) If wrongfully claimed amount exceeds £5000, this shall be considered felony and punishable by fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to individual by living wage commission upto £1,000,000 and appropriate prison sentence as established by judicial act.

d) Once an individual has committed fraud under either section 3b or section 3c, there shall be more intensive search before authorising universal credit payment in future.

Section 4 - Requirement to work
a) Unless there is special exceptions, as granted by living wage commission, claimant shall be required to actively seek work to increase their income. Failure to do this shall be considered valid reason for withdrawal of universal credit payments.
b) Unemployed claimant will also be required to take any job offered by living wage commission, or volunteer in local charity. Failure to do this is valid reason for withdrawal of universal credit payment.
c) Special exception shall include but shall not be limited to:
i) Severely disabled preventing from working.
ii) Over retirement age, which shall be determined by future legislation.
iii) Enrolled in formal education or vocational training.

Guys, we still need sponsors...
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:21 am

Im not much of a welfare person myself
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:24 am

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Im not much of a welfare person myself

Well, this just ensures everyone has enough to merely subsist...
Even if people shouldn't be given free handout, it will cost more if we have to pick up dead bodies from streets.
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Postby Fulflood » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:54 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Universal Credit
Urgency: High| Drafted by: Great Nepal| Co-sponsors:


Recognising that certain income is nessecery to survive, and this income must be guaranteed to every citizen while ensuring that work always pays and work is never disincentived. This, by power granted to this senate by the people, hereby enacts universal credit bill,
Section 1- Definition
When used in this act, following terms will have meaning as stated in this section and any other disputes as to meaning of terms shall be dealt with by Oxford dictionary (http://oxforddictionaries.com/))
Living income shall be defined as minimum income required for an indivudal to subsist.
Other income shall be defined as income an indivudal gets from any other source, except from universal credit.

Section 2 - Creation and Administration of Universal Credit System
a) Living wage commission shall be created, which shall be tasked with dividing the nation into "income zones", based on cost of living.
b) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with calculating living income for each income zone, which is to be updated 31,536,000 seconds (1 year).
c) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with creating one claim form required to claim universal credit, this form shall be called "Universal Credit Claim Application - F".
d) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with authorising universal credit payments.
e) Universal credit payments shall be calculated as "UCP = LI - II", where UCP refers to universal credit payment, LI refers to living income calculated as established in section 2b, II refers to income of indivudal. If the value calculated is lower than zero, no universal credit payments will be made nor will any deductions be made.
f) Claimant of universal credit payment shall be required to fill out the "Universal Credit Claim Application - F" before payments are begun and this form must be filled out every year, or when there is any change in circumstances, which ever is earlier.
g) Universal credit payment shall be paid into private bank account, which claimant will be required to have.
h) No further payments shall be granted by future bills, unless such benefit is for shall be pregnant women, carers, disabled and war veterans.
i) Claimant must be a permanent resident in Aurentina or its dependencies.

Section 3 - Declaration and Fraud
a) All claimants of universal credit payments shall be required to declare their total other income as part of the form mentioned in section 2. This must be done every three months, or when there is change in income, which ever is earlier.
b) Failure to comply with section 3a or section 2f, within fifteen days of the change shall be considered fraud of second degree.
i) If wrongfully claimed amount is below £7500, this shall be considered delict and punishable by prison sentence between two and seven years and fine equivalent to 200% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission.
ii) If wrongfully claimed amount exceeds £7500, this shall be considered felony and punishable by fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission upto £1,000,000 and appropriate prison sentence as established by judicial act.

c) Providing living wage commission with false information or failure to comply with section 3a or section 2f within ninety days of the change shall be considered serious fraud of first degree.
i) If wrongfully claimed amount is below £5000, this shall be considered delict and punishable by prison sentence between five and ten years and fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission.
ii) If wrongfully claimed amount exceeds £5000, this shall be considered felony and punishable by fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission upto £1,000,000 and appropriate prison sentence as established by judicial act.

d) Once an indivudal has committed fraud under either section 3b or section 3c, there shall be more intensive search before authorising universal credit payment in future.

Section 4 - Requirement to work
a) Unless there is special exceptions, as granted by living wage commission, claimant shall be required to actively seek work to increase their income. Failure to do this shall be considered valid reason for withdrawal of universal credit payments.
b) Unemployed claimant will also be required to take any job offered by living wage commission, or volunteer in local charity. Failure to do this is valid reason for withdrawal of universal credit payment.
c) Special exception shall include but shall not be limited to:
i) Severely disabled preventing from working.
ii) Over retirement age, which shall be determined by future legislation.
iii) Enrolled in formal education or vocational training.

Guys, we still need sponsors...

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Postby The IASM » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:55 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Im not much of a welfare person myself

Well, this just ensures everyone has enough to merely subsist...
Even if people shouldn't be given free handout, it will cost more if we have to pick up dead bodies from streets.

May we please not have a welfare system?
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Postby Gallup » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:56 am

The IASM wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Well, this just ensures everyone has enough to merely subsist...
Even if people shouldn't be given free handout, it will cost more if we have to pick up dead bodies from streets.

May we please not have a welfare system?

Yes!
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:56 am

Fulflood wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:
Universal Credit
Urgency: High| Drafted by: Great Nepal| Co-sponsors:


Recognising that certain income is nessecery to survive, and this income must be guaranteed to every citizen while ensuring that work always pays and work is never disincentived. This, by power granted to this senate by the people, hereby enacts universal credit bill,
Section 1- Definition
When used in this act, following terms will have meaning as stated in this section and any other disputes as to meaning of terms shall be dealt with by Oxford dictionary (http://oxforddictionaries.com/))
Living income shall be defined as minimum income required for an indivudal to subsist.
Other income shall be defined as income an indivudal gets from any other source, except from universal credit.

Section 2 - Creation and Administration of Universal Credit System
a) Living wage commission shall be created, which shall be tasked with dividing the nation into "income zones", based on cost of living.
b) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with calculating living income for each income zone, which is to be updated 31,536,000 seconds (1 year).
c) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with creating one claim form required to claim universal credit, this form shall be called "Universal Credit Claim Application - F".
d) Living wage commission shall also be tasked with authorising universal credit payments.
e) Universal credit payments shall be calculated as "UCP = LI - II", where UCP refers to universal credit payment, LI refers to living income calculated as established in section 2b, II refers to income of indivudal. If the value calculated is lower than zero, no universal credit payments will be made nor will any deductions be made.
f) Claimant of universal credit payment shall be required to fill out the "Universal Credit Claim Application - F" before payments are begun and this form must be filled out every year, or when there is any change in circumstances, which ever is earlier.
g) Universal credit payment shall be paid into private bank account, which claimant will be required to have.
h) No further payments shall be granted by future bills, unless such benefit is for shall be pregnant women, carers, disabled and war veterans.
i) Claimant must be a permanent resident in Aurentina or its dependencies.

Section 3 - Declaration and Fraud
a) All claimants of universal credit payments shall be required to declare their total other income as part of the form mentioned in section 2. This must be done every three months, or when there is change in income, which ever is earlier.
b) Failure to comply with section 3a or section 2f, within fifteen days of the change shall be considered fraud of second degree.
i) If wrongfully claimed amount is below £7500, this shall be considered delict and punishable by prison sentence between two and seven years and fine equivalent to 200% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission.
ii) If wrongfully claimed amount exceeds £7500, this shall be considered felony and punishable by fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission upto £1,000,000 and appropriate prison sentence as established by judicial act.

c) Providing living wage commission with false information or failure to comply with section 3a or section 2f within ninety days of the change shall be considered serious fraud of first degree.
i) If wrongfully claimed amount is below £5000, this shall be considered delict and punishable by prison sentence between five and ten years and fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission.
ii) If wrongfully claimed amount exceeds £5000, this shall be considered felony and punishable by fine equivalent to 300% of the payments made to indivudal by living wage commission upto £1,000,000 and appropriate prison sentence as established by judicial act.

d) Once an indivudal has committed fraud under either section 3b or section 3c, there shall be more intensive search before authorising universal credit payment in future.

Section 4 - Requirement to work
a) Unless there is special exceptions, as granted by living wage commission, claimant shall be required to actively seek work to increase their income. Failure to do this shall be considered valid reason for withdrawal of universal credit payments.
b) Unemployed claimant will also be required to take any job offered by living wage commission, or volunteer in local charity. Failure to do this is valid reason for withdrawal of universal credit payment.
c) Special exception shall include but shall not be limited to:
i) Severely disabled preventing from working.
ii) Over retirement age, which shall be determined by future legislation.
iii) Enrolled in formal education or vocational training.

Guys, we still need sponsors...

31,536,000 seconds. Really?

I just had to write that down, I have put 1 year in brackets. :p
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Postby Fulflood » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:59 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Fulflood wrote:31,536,000 seconds. Really?

I just had to write that down, I have put 1 year in brackets. :p

Apart from that, and the "living zones" (this idea seems good but is unsustainable as it ends up increasing the income divides - and therefore the cost of living - overall, therefore inflating the problem it is trying to fix) and a couple of grammar mistakes, I approve.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:04 am

Fulflood wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:I just had to write that down, I have put 1 year in brackets. :p

Apart from that, and the "living zones" (this idea seems good but is unsustainable as it ends up increasing the income divides - and therefore the cost of living - overall, therefore inflating the problem it is trying to fix) and a couple of grammar mistakes, I approve.

Without living zones, we could end up in situation where people living in countryside have spare money while people living in city centres not having enough to live on... I will run it through MS-word tonight.
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Postby Ainin » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:05 am

The IASM wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Well, this just ensures everyone has enough to merely subsist...
Even if people shouldn't be given free handout, it will cost more if we have to pick up dead bodies from streets.

May we please not have a welfare system?

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:06 am

The IASM wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Well, this just ensures everyone has enough to merely subsist...
Even if people shouldn't be given free handout, it will cost more if we have to pick up dead bodies from streets.

May we please not have a welfare system?

Would you rather have to pick up dead bodies from streets? Because, honestly that would make my shoes and car tires dirty...
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