NSG Senate (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Napkiraly]

I concur. It is necessary to protect the democratic nature of the Chamber.

Yes, we don't want any Midnight Appointment-esque occurrences to happen within NSSenate.

Precisely.

[Gothmogs]

I have no problems with this bill.

[Othelos]

It's kind of necessary so a party can't just camp at night, wait for everyone to go off line, then force a proposal through.

I concur. It is necessary to protect the democratic nature of the Chamber.

Again.

When the Senate has 60 members, and 20 of them are inactive, tell me how that'll work?

We should lower the percentage to 50%, or at least 60%.

[Aquitayne]

I vote AYE for the current legislation.

[Napkiraly]

I concur. It is necessary to protect the democratic nature of the Chamber.

Again.

When the Senate has 60 members, and 20 of them are inactive, tell me how that'll work?

We should lower the percentage to 50%, or at least 60%.

I'd be okay with lowering it to 60%. 50% is not enough, especially if party numbers are narrow.

[Denecaep]

I vote AYE for the current legislation.

Senator, you are pushing a random wooden spot on your desk. We haven't gotten out the voting devices yet, because voting has not begun. We are currently debating.

[Othelos]

Again.

When the Senate has 60 members, and 20 of them are inactive, tell me how that'll work?

We should lower the percentage to 50%, or at least 60%.

I'd be okay with lowering it to 60%. 50% is not enough, especially if party numbers are narrow.

Okay, then we'll stick with 60%.

But seriously, I'd really hate for all this to go to waste because too many people became inactive.

[Aquitayne]

I vote AYE for the current legislation.

Senator, you are pushing a random wooden spot on your desk. We haven't gotten out the voting devices yet, because voting has not begun. We are currently debating.

Well don't I feel silly.

Don't mind me.

[Othelos]

Or even better, let's get rid of the percentage and stick with a 48 hour voting period. That way things won't get blocked, even if tons of people become inactive.

[Gaveo]

I'd be okay with lowering it to 60%. 50% is not enough, especially if party numbers are narrow.

Okay, then we'll stick with 60%.

But seriously, I'd really hate for all this to go to waste because too many people became inactive.

Agreed.

[Transoxthraxia]

Or even better, let's get rid of the percentage and stick with a 48 hour voting period. That way things won't get blocked, even if tons of people become inactive.

Seconded.

[Frisivisia]

Or even better, let's get rid of the percentage and stick with a 48 hour voting period. That way things won't get blocked, even if tons of people become inactive.

Seconded.

Thirded.

[Napkiraly]

Or even better, let's get rid of the percentage and stick with a 48 hour voting period. That way things won't get blocked, even if tons of people become inactive.

I disagree. This can lead to disparity if representatives from other parties are unable to perform their Senatorial duties due to prior engagements that can lead to lop sided debates when there wouldn't be and a breakdown of the democratic structure of the Chamber as a result. I suggest we keep a percentage that is higher than 50% of all Senators, regardless of political affiliation, in order for legislation to pass.

[Aeken]

Or even better, let's get rid of the percentage and stick with a 48 hour voting period. That way things won't get blocked, even if tons of people become inactive.

I seem to approve of this.

[Gothmogs]

Or even better, let's get rid of the percentage and stick with a 48 hour voting period. That way things won't get blocked, even if tons of people become inactive.

Seconded.

third-ed.

EDIT: Ninja'd

Fourthed

[Zweite Alaje]

Again.

When the Senate has 60 members, and 20 of them are inactive, tell me how that'll work?

We should lower the percentage to 50%, or at least 60%.

I'd be okay with lowering it to 60%. 50% is not enough, especially if party numbers are narrow.

I concur with Senator Napkiraly's statement. A 50% would threaten the stablity of this establishment.

[Thafoo]

Seconded.

Thirded.

Fourthed.

PROPOSAL I
CONSTITUTION OF THE NEW SENATE

Urgency: High

RECOGNIZING that this is the first proposal and that this proposal will shape the future of the NS senate,

DEFINING the powers of the Senate and its senators to be as follows;
The ability to draft legislation such as this,
The ability to vote on drafted legislation on the floor to be put up to vote,
The ability to repeal passed legislation,
The ability to vote on how many seats are available in the senate,
The ability to start a political party,
The ability to vote to remove drafted legislation from the floor,
The ability for the party with the majority to elect a President of the Senate, who selects a Vice President of the senate,
The ability for the party with the majority to make up an opposition,
which, in turn, gives the opposition the ability to select an opposition leader and second officer.

SETTING the required number of votes to put legislation on the floor to be put up to vote be at least 5 approvals,

MORE SETTING legislation to be passed if there is a majority "FOR" in a 48 hour period of voting,

REALIZING the confusion that would be caused by multiple bills to be voted at a time, thusly LIMITING the number of bills up to vote to 1; bills that have reached the 5 approvals necessary will be next in chronological order of which bills reached minimum approvals first,

ALSO SETTING the conduct of senators to allow silliness as any F7 thread should go but requiring all senators use common sense and comply with site rules, at penalty of being kicked from the senate by a 90% majority of senators present voting "FOR" and being at the mercy of the Modly Powers,

RECOGNIZES that Senators of the NSG Senate may at some point no longer have interest in participating in the NSG Senate, or are simply idle,

CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staffers to remove idle Senators after said Senators have gone through a period of 15 days where said Senator made no constructive posts in any of the NSG Senate threads,

ALSO CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staff to send Senators who are within 3 days of being removed because of their idleness a notice via telegram to notify them of their imminent removal

BUT gives the chance for a senator to explain a disappearance of up to 60 days before the disappearance,

ASKING that the proposal, should it pass, serve as a template for future proposals to formatted exactly like this one,

REALIZING that the Constitution may at some times be able to be amended, so therefore allows amendments to pass, under the following conditions:

Amendments may happen to this document, if a majority (set by an amendment editing what defines a majority) of Senators present believe that this document should be amended, and it shall become the new version of the Constitution.

RULING that to protect from a single party voting in the middle of the night to pass a bill that suits their best interests, 12 hours will have to have elapsed after 75% of ALL senators have voted, before a bill is passed/shot down.

SETTING FURTHER: the following as the template for voting:
[insert box code]

VOTING: PROPOSAL <insert Roman numeral>
FOR: <nation(s)> AGAINST: <nation(s)>

[/insert box code]

HEREBY DRAFTING PROPOSAL I.
Revised. 2
This proposal is under Voting Stage.

[Othelos]

Thirded.

Fourthed.

PROPOSAL I
CONSTITUTION OF THE NEW SENATE

Urgency: High

RECOGNIZING that this is the first proposal and that this proposal will shape the future of the NS senate,

DEFINING the powers of the Senate and its senators to be as follows;
The ability to draft legislation such as this,
The ability to vote on drafted legislation on the floor to be put up to vote,
The ability to repeal passed legislation,
The ability to vote on how many seats are available in the senate,
The ability to start a political party,
The ability to vote to remove drafted legislation from the floor,
The ability for the party with the majority to elect a President of the Senate, who selects a Vice President of the senate,
The ability for the party with the majority to make up an opposition,
which, in turn, gives the opposition the ability to select an opposition leader and second officer.

SETTING the required number of votes to put legislation on the floor to be put up to vote be at least 5 approvals,

MORE SETTING legislation to be passed if there is a majority "FOR" in a 48 hour period of voting,

REALIZING the confusion that would be caused by multiple bills to be voted at a time, thusly LIMITING the number of bills up to vote to 1; bills that have reached the 5 approvals necessary will be next in chronological order of which bills reached minimum approvals first,

ALSO SETTING the conduct of senators to allow silliness as any F7 thread should go but requiring all senators use common sense and comply with site rules, at penalty of being kicked from the senate by a 90% majority of senators present voting "FOR" and being at the mercy of the Modly Powers,

RECOGNIZES that Senators of the NSG Senate may at some point no longer have interest in participating in the NSG Senate, or are simply idle,

CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staffers to remove idle Senators after said Senators have gone through a period of 15 days where said Senator made no constructive posts in any of the NSG Senate threads,

ALSO CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staff to send Senators who are within 3 days of being removed because of their idleness a notice via telegram to notify them of their imminent removal

BUT gives the chance for a senator to explain a disappearance of up to 60 days before the disappearance,

ASKING that the proposal, should it pass, serve as a template for future proposals to formatted exactly like this one,

REALIZING that the Constitution may at some times be able to be amended, so therefore allows amendments to pass, under the following conditions:

Amendments may happen to this document, if a majority (set by an amendment editing what defines a majority) of Senators present believe that this document should be amended, and it shall become the new version of the Constitution.

RULING that to protect from a single party voting in the middle of the night to pass a bill that suits their best interests, 12 hours will have to have elapsed after 75% of ALL senators have voted, before a bill is passed/shot down.

SETTING FURTHER: the following as the template for voting:
[insert box code]

VOTING: PROPOSAL <insert Roman numeral>
FOR: <nation(s)> AGAINST: <nation(s)>

[/insert box code]

HEREBY DRAFTING PROPOSAL I.
Revised. 2
This proposal is under Voting Stage.

You fifthed it, actually, so it can go back to the drafting stage.

[Denecaep]

Thirded.

Fourthed.

To speed things up, I'm going to go ahead and fifth that.

The official text now reads...

RECOGNIZING that this is the first proposal and that this proposal will shape the future of the NS senate,
DEFINING the powers of the Senate and its senators to be as follows;
The ability to draft legislation such as this,
The ability to vote on drafted legislation on the floor to be put up to vote,
The ability to repeal passed legislation,
The ability to vote on how many seats are available in the senate,
The ability to start a political party,
The ability to vote to remove drafted legislation from the floor,
The ability for the party with the majority to elect a President of the Senate, who selects a Vice President of the senate,
The ability for the party with the majority to make up an opposition,
which, in turn, gives the opposition the ability to select an opposition leader and second officer.
SETTING the required number of votes to put legislation on the floor to be put up to vote be at least 5 and setting a majority of 50%+1 of those who have voted "FOR" on legislation,
REALIZING the confusion that would be caused by multiple bills to be voted at a time, thusly LIMITING the number of bills up to vote to 1; bills that have reached the 5 approvals necessary will be next in chronological order of which bills reached minimum approvals first,
ALSO SETTING the conduct of senators to allow silliness as any F7 thread should go but requiring all senators use common sense and comply with site rules, at penalty of being kicked from the senate by a 90% majority of senators present voting "FOR" and being at the mercy of the Modly Powers,
RECOGNIZES that Senators of the NSG Senate may at some point no longer have interest in participating in the NSG Senate, or are simply idle,
CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staffers to remove idle Senators after said Senators have gone through a period of 15 days where said Senator made no constructive posts in any of the NSG Senate threads,
ALSO CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staff to send Senators who are within 3 days of being removed because of their idleness a notice via telegram to notify them of their imminent removal
BUT gives the chance for a senator to explain a disappearance of up to 60 days before the disappearance,
ASKING that the proposal, should it pass, serve as a template for future proposals to formatted exactly like this one,
REALIZING that the Constitution may at some times be able to be amended, so therefore allows amendments to pass, under the following conditions:
Amendments may happen to this document, if a majority (set by an amendment editing what defines a majority) of Senators present believe that this document should be amended, and it shall become the new version of the Constitution.
RULING that to protect from a single party voting in the middle of the night to pass a bill that suits their best interests, 48 hours must elapse before a bill is passed/shot down.

[Denecaep]

Fourthed.

PROPOSAL I
CONSTITUTION OF THE NEW SENATE

Urgency: High

RECOGNIZING that this is the first proposal and that this proposal will shape the future of the NS senate,

DEFINING the powers of the Senate and its senators to be as follows;
The ability to draft legislation such as this,
The ability to vote on drafted legislation on the floor to be put up to vote,
The ability to repeal passed legislation,
The ability to vote on how many seats are available in the senate,
The ability to start a political party,
The ability to vote to remove drafted legislation from the floor,
The ability for the party with the majority to elect a President of the Senate, who selects a Vice President of the senate,
The ability for the party with the majority to make up an opposition,
which, in turn, gives the opposition the ability to select an opposition leader and second officer.

SETTING the required number of votes to put legislation on the floor to be put up to vote be at least 5 approvals,

MORE SETTING legislation to be passed if there is a majority "FOR" in a 48 hour period of voting,

REALIZING the confusion that would be caused by multiple bills to be voted at a time, thusly LIMITING the number of bills up to vote to 1; bills that have reached the 5 approvals necessary will be next in chronological order of which bills reached minimum approvals first,

ALSO SETTING the conduct of senators to allow silliness as any F7 thread should go but requiring all senators use common sense and comply with site rules, at penalty of being kicked from the senate by a 90% majority of senators present voting "FOR" and being at the mercy of the Modly Powers,

RECOGNIZES that Senators of the NSG Senate may at some point no longer have interest in participating in the NSG Senate, or are simply idle,

CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staffers to remove idle Senators after said Senators have gone through a period of 15 days where said Senator made no constructive posts in any of the NSG Senate threads,

ALSO CALLS UPON the appropriate administration staff to send Senators who are within 3 days of being removed because of their idleness a notice via telegram to notify them of their imminent removal

BUT gives the chance for a senator to explain a disappearance of up to 60 days before the disappearance,

ASKING that the proposal, should it pass, serve as a template for future proposals to formatted exactly like this one,

REALIZING that the Constitution may at some times be able to be amended, so therefore allows amendments to pass, under the following conditions:

Amendments may happen to this document, if a majority (set by an amendment editing what defines a majority) of Senators present believe that this document should be amended, and it shall become the new version of the Constitution.

RULING that to protect from a single party voting in the middle of the night to pass a bill that suits their best interests, 12 hours will have to have elapsed after 75% of ALL senators have voted, before a bill is passed/shot down.

SETTING FURTHER: the following as the template for voting:
[insert box code]

VOTING: PROPOSAL <insert Roman numeral>
FOR: <nation(s)> AGAINST: <nation(s)>

[/insert box code]

HEREBY DRAFTING PROPOSAL I.
Revised. 2
This proposal is under Voting Stage.

You fifthed it, actually, so it can go back to the drafting stage.

The motion was not to bring it back to drafting. It was to amend the proposal. So, it has been amended and debate can continue like normal.

[Othelos]

Okay, now:

I move to close the debate on this legislation.

[Othelos]

You fifthed it, actually, so it can go back to the drafting stage.

The motion was not to bring it back to drafting. It was to amend the proposal. So, it has been amended and debate can continue like normal.

right.

[Thafoo]

Okay, now:

I move to close the debate on this legislation.

Why?!

[Othelos]

Okay, now:

I move to close the debate on this legislation.

Why?!

Cause everything else seems fine. That was my only concern really (except the majority party opposition loophole thing, but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be that way or not).

[Radiatia]

I vote AYE on the bill at hand.

Okay, now:

I move to close the debate on this legislation.

I object to the motion by Senator Othelos. Many Senators are still yet to post, as they have lives outside of NSG. Closing the debate prematurely would be to undermine the democratic nature of this institution.