by Arthurista » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:03 pm
by Thrice Crownlands » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:38 pm
by Arthurista » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:47 pm
Thrice Crownlands wrote:Might I reserve a position as The French Republic (according to the OP, it exists)? I'm thinking the border between it and the PDRF would be the main branch of the Loire and the main branch of the Rhone, the capital in Vichy, and colonial possesions divided as such
French Republic: All American possessions (As per the Monroe Doctrine), French West Africa, The Mandate of Syria, and the Indian Cities
PDRF: French Equatorial Africa, Algeria, Tunis, Madigascar,the Mandate of Lebanon, and Morocco
Somaliland is in the hands of Italy, and Pacific possessions in the hands of Japan.
by Thrice Crownlands » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:55 pm
That's the PDRF, which I assume is the Vichy French government or something to that effect moved up to Paris. I personally throught that it went something along the lines of this; Overlord failed, but since the Germans devoted more resources to it, Dragoon met with increased success, especially after The Army of North Africa was pulled from Free Africa to assist the assult, setting up a sort of Presidential Dictatorship under de Gaulle. However, they met a standstill, and evetually the Free French, strapped for manpower, agreed to a settlement, spliting their colonies with the PDRF set up by Germany. As the Mod of this thread, I'll leave specific can or can not decisions to you, and you can decide how to divide colonies.Arthurista wrote:Thrice Crownlands wrote:Might I reserve a position as The French Republic (according to the OP, it exists)? I'm thinking the border between it and the PDRF would be the main branch of the Loire and the main branch of the Rhone, the capital in Vichy, and colonial possesions divided as such
French Republic: All American possessions (As per the Monroe Doctrine), French West Africa, The Mandate of Syria, and the Indian Cities
PDRF: French Equatorial Africa, Algeria, Tunis, Madigascar,the Mandate of Lebanon, and Morocco
Somaliland is in the hands of Italy, and Pacific possessions in the hands of Japan.
Well, according to the OP, there's also a fascist East France. So I'd actually say that West France is somehow de Gaulle's lot (who would have retaken all the colonial bits form the Vichy by 1944). Maybe Overlord didn't completely fail? Alternatively, maybe he got the western half as part of the ceasefire?
Maybe have the Seine/Loire as the dividing line?
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:09 pm
by Arthurista » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:10 pm
Thrice Crownlands wrote:That's the PDRF, which I assume is the Vichy French government or something to that effect moved up to Paris. I personally throught that it went something along the lines of this; Overlord failed, but since the Germans devoted more resources to it, Dragoon met with increased success, especially after The Army of North Africa was pulled from Free Africa to assist the assult, setting up a sort of Presidential Dictatorship under de Gaulle. However, they met a standstill, and evetually the Free French, strapped for manpower, agreed to a settlement, spliting their colonies with the PDRF set up by Germany. As the Mod of this thread, I'll leave specific can or can not decisions to you, and you can decide how to divide colonies.Arthurista wrote:
Well, according to the OP, there's also a fascist East France. So I'd actually say that West France is somehow de Gaulle's lot (who would have retaken all the colonial bits form the Vichy by 1944). Maybe Overlord didn't completely fail? Alternatively, maybe he got the western half as part of the ceasefire?
Maybe have the Seine/Loire as the dividing line?
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:12 pm
by Thrice Crownlands » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:14 pm
Arthurista wrote:Thrice Crownlands wrote:That's the PDRF, which I assume is the Vichy French government or something to that effect moved up to Paris. I personally throught that it went something along the lines of this; Overlord failed, but since the Germans devoted more resources to it, Dragoon met with increased success, especially after The Army of North Africa was pulled from Free Africa to assist the assult, setting up a sort of Presidential Dictatorship under de Gaulle. However, they met a standstill, and evetually the Free French, strapped for manpower, agreed to a settlement, spliting their colonies with the PDRF set up by Germany. As the Mod of this thread, I'll leave specific can or can not decisions to you, and you can decide how to divide colonies.
Sure, we can go with that. So on Metro France you get everything south of the Loire?
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:15 pm
Thrice Crownlands wrote:Arthurista wrote:
Sure, we can go with that. So on Metro France you get everything south of the Loire?
Indeed. So, I think it's more North France and South France then East France and West France.
And Yes, Facist France is available, but you can't be in Vichy. Free France hold dominion in the south.
by Thrice Crownlands » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:21 pm
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:22 pm
Thrice Crownlands wrote:Benutanairan wrote:
So the Fascist are in paris now?
If you'd like that to be your capital. I'm setting myself up in Vichy (or perhaps Lyon, if this is a pure north-south divide).
Roughly, but I would also control that Atlantic coast up to the Loire. It was, after all, the area hardest hit by Dragoon. Does that work with you?
by Thrice Crownlands » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:24 pm
Benutanairan wrote:Thrice Crownlands wrote:
If you'd like that to be your capital. I'm setting myself up in Vichy (or perhaps Lyon, if this is a pure north-south divide).
Roughly, but I would also control that Atlantic coast up to the Loire. It was, after all, the area hardest hit by Dragoon. Does that work with you?
A pure North-South Divide seems more reasonable and geographically pleasing.
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:26 pm
by Thrice Crownlands » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:28 pm
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:29 pm
by Thrice Crownlands » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:07 pm
by Arthurista » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:38 pm
Hypparchia wrote:I'm making a map as we speak.
by Hypparchia » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:55 pm
Arthurista wrote:Hypparchia wrote:I'm making a map as we speak.
Thanks! Please bear in mind my backstory to the Empire viewtopic.php?p=12437167#p12437167
I don't think Hitler'll be all that bothered with the Africa colony - I think he was a Bismarckian continentalist - Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Caucasus etc. were his prime targets.
Besides, Albion Rhodesia would probably want Tanzania and South-African run Namibia as part of his alliance
by Arthurista » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:02 pm
Hypparchia wrote:Arthurista wrote:
Thanks! Please bear in mind my backstory to the Empire viewtopic.php?p=12437167#p12437167
I don't think Hitler'll be all that bothered with the Africa colony - I think he was a Bismarckian continentalist - Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Caucasus etc. were his prime targets.
Besides, Albion Rhodesia would probably want Tanzania and South-African run Namibia as part of his alliance
Alright, I'm almost done. Since I'm still dealing with some rough edges, I'd like to know a bit more on the white settlers' alliance - does it include the whole of Namibia ? I believe back then it was still part of SA. Which modern countries is it made up of ?
Also, I made borders for Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Palestine; India is not the same colour as Britain, nor is Burma, Hong Kong is Japanese and I've kept a few minor states like Mengjiang, East Turkestan, Croatia and Slovakia to make things a bit more interesting. The rest is pretty much what has already been agreed upon.
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:03 pm
by Arthurista » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:07 pm
Benutanairan wrote:PDRF
Background
Continues to follow the platform of racial and ethnic segregation set forth by the Petain Administration
However given the North-South Split it has moved the capital to Paris and gained control of the northern industrial areas. It enforces heavy fascist propaganda in school and Media and enforces orderly clean streets with the French Secret Police. France has become and industrial-service protectorate of Germany providing tourist spots and goods to Germany. It still has Paris filled with German troops as part of the 3rd Armistice but has regained its full potential with its navy and army. It is currently led Grand Marshal Jean Cleade Christophe who replaced Petain in 1947. The official French flag is the tricolor with the fascist Christian flag and Catholicism has been put through a fascist blender and reorganized. The country seeks to carve a future among a German-Japanese dominated world and a hub of democracy in North America.
by Benutanairan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:08 pm
Arthurista wrote:Benutanairan wrote:PDRF
Background
Continues to follow the platform of racial and ethnic segregation set forth by the Petain Administration
However given the North-South Split it has moved the capital to Paris and gained control of the northern industrial areas. It enforces heavy fascist propaganda in school and Media and enforces orderly clean streets with the French Secret Police. France has become and industrial-service protectorate of Germany providing tourist spots and goods to Germany. It still has Paris filled with German troops as part of the 3rd Armistice but has regained its full potential with its navy and army. It is currently led Grand Marshal Jean Cleade Christophe who replaced Petain in 1947. The official French flag is the tricolor with the fascist Christian flag and Catholicism has been put through a fascist blender and reorganized. The country seeks to carve a future among a German-Japanese dominated world and a hub of democracy in North America.
Just realised - we'd have to set up a British Army of the Loire, just like the real life BAOR
by Arthurista » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:13 pm
by Vashtanaraada » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:13 pm
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